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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 11:17:19 GMT -6
Just got un-lazy enough to open up the files...and damn...I guess a million dollar mic locker DOES make a difference. Or maybe it was the engineer...Anyway, they're the best drum tracks I've ever gotten anywhere. You guys interested in me uploading a snippet of a song's drum tracks? If so, how would you want it? All tracks separately so you can download and hear? Or just a board mix without any processing? If anyone is interested, I could link a zip file with all the files and you could load it in and hear for yourself. Also, maybe just a board mix of the drums by themselves...Lemme know. EDIT - Here are the files... Link to all separate files (bounced OH & Rooms into stereo files) - app.box.com/s/0kvlpw4z20x8qpl5xk05Here is just a raw wav sample without processing: https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/rawdrumbusdrumbusHere is with some processing and parallel compression on the Drum Bus: (not claiming to know what I'm doing  ) https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/compresseddrumbus |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 22, 2014 11:23:28 GMT -6
Just got un-lazy enough to open up the files...and damn...I guess a million dollar mic locker DOES make a difference. Or maybe it was the engineer...Anyway, they're the best drum tracks I've ever gotten anywhere. You guys interested in me uploading a snippet of a song's drum tracks? If so, how would you want it? All tracks separately so you can download and hear? Or just a board mix without any processing? If anyone is interested, I could link a zip file with all the files and you could load it in and hear for yourself. Also, maybe just a board mix of the drums by themselves...Lemme know. I want both. Raw separate tracks and a quick board mix. ...it's probably the room more than anything. |
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2014 11:23:37 GMT -6
uhhhhhhhh
yeah.............................
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Post by unit7 on Dec 22, 2014 11:45:04 GMT -6
Would love a few bars with all drums tracks separately! Another RGO Xmas present. Thanks John!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 12:02:05 GMT -6
Word...I'll get them up this afternoon or tonight. I have to go Christmas shopping...would rather drill a hole in my head.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 22, 2014 12:12:14 GMT -6
Just got un-lazy enough to open up the files...and damn...I guess a million dollar mic locker DOES make a difference. Or maybe it was the engineer...Anyway, they're the best drum tracks I've ever gotten anywhere. You guys interested in me uploading a snippet of a song's drum tracks? If so, how would you want it? All tracks separately so you can download and hear? Or just a board mix without any processing? If anyone is interested, I could link a zip file with all the files and you could load it in and hear for yourself. Also, maybe just a board mix of the drums by themselves...Lemme know. I am very interested in the mic placement.... Thanks! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 22, 2014 12:24:51 GMT -6
cool JK!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 12:30:12 GMT -6
Just got un-lazy enough to open up the files...and damn...I guess a million dollar mic locker DOES make a difference. Or maybe it was the engineer...Anyway, they're the best drum tracks I've ever gotten anywhere. You guys interested in me uploading a snippet of a song's drum tracks? If so, how would you want it? All tracks separately so you can download and hear? Or just a board mix without any processing? If anyone is interested, I could link a zip file with all the files and you could load it in and hear for yourself. Also, maybe just a board mix of the drums by themselves...Lemme know. I am very interested in the mic placement.... Thanks! I think there are pics of the set up drums in the BB thread. I think what I didn't get in it were the two KM86's as room mics. Think it was an AEA R88 about 5 feet in front of the mic...not sure what was on overheads. |
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 22, 2014 12:44:23 GMT -6
Any reason they set the drums up there against the glass or in the corner like that? Did it have good bottom and brightness for example ?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 12:48:33 GMT -6
I wondered the same thing...didn't ask - figured that's where they thought it sounded the best. I woulda thought ith the back against the slate wall...
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 22, 2014 12:52:46 GMT -6
maybe the engineer didnt have to run long chords across the room and could see the drummer the best there LOL
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 22, 2014 12:54:56 GMT -6
Any reason they set the drums up there against the glass or in the corner like that? Did it have good bottom and brightness for example ? Can't answer this exactly but I will say this.....I hung with a few buddies at a fairly well built out and treated home studio in Nashville a while back. The drums were set up in the most visually appealing "central" spot in the drum room. It "looked" just right. My friend Dave Cobb was with and kept quiet until he had a few beers. He then opened up and said polity, "I don't mean to be a dick but...the drums are in the wrong spot of that room and totally suck". He convinced my other buddy to try moving them around and sure enough, Cobb quickly found the spot where the kick and snare just exploded. They were completely dead, lifeless and not moving air in the original spot. This said, I'm sure the cats at BB know by now exactly where the sweet spot is in those rooms!  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 22, 2014 15:24:49 GMT -6
this ^ is dead on, i walk a room with a snare at waist height while striking it to find the spot where it pops! Then i'll check the kick in the same way, you're very lucky if the same spot pops both, i pick the best compromise, or according to where kick/snare is more important to the song at hand.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 15:50:16 GMT -6
Any reason they set the drums up there against the glass or in the corner like that? Did it have good bottom and brightness for example ? Can't answer this exactly but I will say this.....I hung with a few buddies at a fairly well built out and treated home studio in Nashville a while back. The drums were set up in the most visually appealing "central" spot in the drum room. It "looked" just right. My friend Dave Cobb was with and kept quiet until he had a few beers. He then opened up and said polity, "I don't mean to be a dick but...the drums are in the wrong spot of that room and totally suck". He convinced my other buddy to try moving them around and sure enough, Cobb quickly found the spot where the kick and snare just exploded. They were completely dead, lifeless and not moving air in the original spot. This said, I'm sure the cats at BB know by now exactly where the sweet spot is in those rooms! That's the reason "Shutting the hell up" is my producer strategy |
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Post by drumrec on Dec 22, 2014 16:31:23 GMT -6
There are no rules what is right or wrong and I love it. Same with mic placements ... trust your ears and makes awesome recording and music. Would be interesting to hear the drums @johnkenn |
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Post by odyssey76 on Dec 22, 2014 17:20:30 GMT -6
uhhhhhhhh yeah............................. What Jerome said....... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 17:21:33 GMT -6
Up to the dungeon now...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 18:24:31 GMT -6
Posted in first thread...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 18:33:22 GMT -6
Here's a mistake I made (glad I'm not mixing this stuff)... Was listening back to the two wavs and wondering why I was hearing more prominent ghost notes with the raw track...and then I realized I had used a gate to take out some of the cymbal and hihat in the top snare on the compressed track. First time I tried that...and now I know why I won't do it again. Probably just mix in a replacement snare to be able to get rid of some of the hat bleed. I normally do that to kick and snare, but not sure I would do it here. Think it's over compressed too - this is a pretty dry, Bill Withers type song...so, maybe I should rely on the room mics and not compression for any room and sustain. But, alas, I'm not mixing, so who cares? |
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 22, 2014 18:49:15 GMT -6
Is that different toms ringing with each kick and snare hit?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 19:23:25 GMT -6
The toms rang like crap with each kick and snare. Almost to the point where the sounded like hits. I ended up cutting the toms, but with the parallel compression, we might be hearing the ringing in the overheads and other room mics. Weird issue I've never really dealt with. Although, like I said, i did that quick and probably pulled the effected drums up too high. I rarely use parallel comp - no idea why I decided to do it here lol. Oh well.
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Post by Randge on Dec 22, 2014 21:12:54 GMT -6
Just sharing a little trick that was given to me by Eddie Bayers. He really liked how I had my house kit set up and just added this when we tracked a while back. He is a lefty, so we moved the ride cymbal for him and he played his ass off. He is such a great studio drummer and I always learn something from him every time that I am around him. www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=AF8QEtGJbBYR |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 22, 2014 21:25:45 GMT -6
Randge that link doesn't go anywhere
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Post by Randge on Dec 22, 2014 21:29:22 GMT -6
This one ought to do it. It was making me re-verify my acct and didn't process correctly the first time...
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Post by wiz on Dec 22, 2014 21:47:09 GMT -6
awesome!
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