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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 7, 2014 14:28:31 GMT -6
Well...that's kind of unobtainable for home use for most of us... If your talking about the Jim Williams (old school) method its actually easier for home studios theses days , well not the tape . It's just using any digital device , any daw and doing no digital processing or very minimal , leave faders at unity , and mixing on an analog mixer with outboard . The outboard and mixer don't have to be expensive . It's not just summing , it's all gain changes , panning , fader movements are in the analog world . Pro studios have a harder time working this way these days because of instant recall and Time constraints . If there's low budgets , not much time to mix , then that's when then DAW needs to be used . Home studios have the luxury of working slow and leaving the mixer all set up until they get their song done . A basic Mackie Onyx sounds better than just mixing in PT . The only thing that was killing me was the lack of analog fader automation, so I started working on an analog fader automation rig that's coming together pretty good so far, if it works, it will work on virtually any analog console with 100mm faders, and it will be so affordable, anyone will be able to buy/build it DIY 8) |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 7, 2014 14:57:41 GMT -6
Forget automation. Mix in pieces and splice them together!
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Post by scumbum on Nov 7, 2014 16:27:35 GMT -6
Forget automation. Mix in pieces and splice them together! I was reading in tape op , can't remember which interview , but that was an interesting method used for mixing without automation back in the tape days . It would be even easier today with digital being able to edit all the sections together . Reverb tails and stuff like that which bleed into the next section were tricky but they mentioned a way to make it blend and work . I need to find that interview again . |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 7, 2014 16:49:22 GMT -6
Forget automation. Mix in pieces and splice them together! Hi Bob, can you elaborate on this? i'm not sure if you're joking or serious? if you're serious, i'm certainly curious as to the process you speak of? as of now, i'm clueless 8) (i'm not using tape) |
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Post by wiz on Nov 7, 2014 17:18:57 GMT -6
Forget automation. Mix in pieces and splice them together! I have seen you post that before @bob Olhsson Is there any chance you can expand on this a bit.. perhaps in a new topic? How do you deal with the transition of the two sections, with things like delay or reverb... or do you get the sections mixed then add effects after splicing...? cheers Wiz |
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Post by ionian on Nov 7, 2014 17:27:33 GMT -6
Forget automation. Mix in pieces and splice them together! The guy who mixed Bohemian Rhapsody said it was the only way to mix something that complicated. Any other way and it wouldn't have gotten finished. They had to mix it in small sections, piece by piece. I've experimented with this and have had good results. It's not as hard as you think if mixing modern pop or rock to hide inconsistencies in reverb tails, etc because the mix is dense and harder to hear that kind of stuff. If you're doing folk stuff or more open music with less elements it might be trickier. You just need to keep stepping back though and make sure that the difference between the pieces isn't too much! One that stands out and drives me nuts all the time is listening to "Manhattan Skyline" on the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. The difference between the verse and chorus splices sounds like two completely different mixes! Regards, Frank |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 7, 2014 17:28:09 GMT -6
Just punch in before where you intend to cut. In Pro Tools it's trivial to just record into a track, punch in, move edits and edit between takes on playlists.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 7, 2014 18:01:34 GMT -6
My way is probably weird, i'm going hybrid set up, so i'm DA feeding individual untouched tracks(no dither) to the console, i'm inserting compressors/eq OTB, bussing to 8 stereo console subs with comps/effects there also, and then summing it up and going back into the AD one single DA/AD trip.
So when i'm mixing i want all my fader movements on the console to be in the voltage domain...right? Also one shot, mixdown with the fader automation, allows OTB recall with a minimal amount of pain i would think?
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Post by LesC on Nov 7, 2014 19:59:21 GMT -6
The title of this thread is so politically incorrect! I think it should be changed to:
Pro Tools 11 upgrade... so retarded it's humorous-challenged
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