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Post by KJ on Nov 4, 2014 6:05:37 GMT -6
www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2014/11/3/avid-release-pro-tools-11-upgrade-deals-all-with-support-pla.htmlI don't know how many people on this forum are using pro tools as their main DAW but I gotta say.. I think it's about time I look for something else to use before it's too late. I have a feeling that it's only the beginning of the Avid's desperate attempt to snatch money out of its customer's pocket and things will only go downhill from this point on. Seriously, Avid is expecting the users to pay annual fees to use the product that they have already paid for? I find it very distasteful that a company is threatening its users to pay for an upgrade that they may not even need.
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Post by ben on Nov 4, 2014 6:40:13 GMT -6
How is this any different from any other upgrade? Every manufacturer charges for the latest version. As I understand, if you let it lapse, you don't get support or updates. Now, if you had to pay every year just to keep your license going, then that would be the ultimate insult from Avid, but I don't think that's the case.
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2014 7:51:03 GMT -6
As much as I dislike Avid's business practices, my money is still on Pro Tools. It's the standard. It does everything. All 3rd party developers still direct the majority of their efforts at the PT platform.
I doubt that will change in the foreseeable future, so I doubt that I will change either.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 4, 2014 8:25:21 GMT -6
The only thing that annoys me is the whole AAX thing...
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 4, 2014 8:49:11 GMT -6
The AAX thing is just the move to 64 bits. They decided to add more features while they were at it and changed the name.
Avid simply needs to demonstrate their new business model for Pro Tools is well worth the added expense. Their original business model was selling hardware bundled with free software and very low cost upgrades. This only worked when each new generation of hardware was significantly better than the previous. At this point Avid has been forced to turn Pro Tools software into a self sustaining profit center competing with Sequoia, Nuendo and other high-end DAW software in the same price range. To suggest Pro Tools should just return to being "free" like it once was is unrealistic. It was a great bargain for us but it also practically put Avid out of business!
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Post by swurveman on Nov 4, 2014 9:12:14 GMT -6
At this point in time, with so much parity in converters. audio interfaces and software, its pretty hard to not get a good rig on a Mac or a PC if you do your homework. I bought the Pro Tools 11 software for insurance for those times when I needed to share a project. Avid has that one market advantage over all other software's.
I am surprised that Avid is charging an annual fee to upgrade instead of a one time fee though. Basically, I think you're paying for the "standard support", which across the board is lousy for all DAW software vendors imo. Best case scenario for Pro Tools users is that Avid's support will rival Waves, who has the best support in the industry imo, but you pay the WUP to get it.
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 4, 2014 10:14:12 GMT -6
Why do people pay so much for something that sounds so bad? Even my TV hurts my ears now.
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Post by wreck on Nov 4, 2014 12:22:48 GMT -6
I don't even know how long I've had PT11 at this point and not used it. Came as a free upgrade for me. There are just some things I like to use that aren't AAX or I have to spend money to get the AAX update. Happy on PT10. I think I might just get a new super fast computer, put 10 on there, unplug it from the web and stick with it for the next decade (at least). I really don't know why I would ever need to change anything.
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Post by jeromemason on Nov 4, 2014 12:48:06 GMT -6
I had to make a decision at some point to cut my losses on some plugins I used and make the full out switch. There are some great benefits to PT11, the 64bit processing, the advanced use of your memory and CPU etc. I basically had to give in and find less plugins that did the same job and then find ways to enhance them with either eq or saturation if needed. It's all about whether you can run sessions natively and be ok on the CPU usage. Some track counts I get a pretty large, so I needed the headroom more than I needed a handful of plugins. When I can pull up a session that would load the CPU to 60% and have to run a buffer at 512 in PT10, and then pull that same session up in PT11 and the CPU be at 20% and a buffer as low as 64 that's something I can justify.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 4, 2014 13:02:04 GMT -6
I'm still on 10,
this will be controversial, but i've recently had pro AE's that i really respect tell me 11 sounds better than 10.?.?.?.?.?.GO!! lol
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Post by mulmany on Nov 4, 2014 15:38:55 GMT -6
What Avid has on the Website does not say that they will cut you off and stop you from being able to use your copy of PT after the free support date ends. I does not look that much different then it did before, you just get support and loose any "free" updates that they may make. Not a deal breaker... most of the updates they have released did not fix major issues IMHO. .. just little bug fixes for the few. My rig ran fine for years without any of the updates.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 4, 2014 16:02:25 GMT -6
HI Patrick! i don't know the details of this new thing they got going, BUT, if you pay for a version of PT and they have "bugs" they need to fix, that constitutes a problem on their part, NOT my part, i paid for a platform that is supposed to work...period. Now if it comes out as PT12, thats a different story imo.
If they try to pull this, it could be it for them, i would be at the point where enough is enough already.
I would also add, i have not once... not a single time..never, ever used avid support.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 4, 2014 16:21:20 GMT -6
I would also add, i have not once... not a single time..never, ever used avid support. Same here. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 4, 2014 16:48:46 GMT -6
Bug fix updates are still free.
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Post by ben on Nov 4, 2014 17:00:05 GMT -6
If they try to pull this, it could be it for them, i would be at the point where enough is enough already. I would also add, i have not once... not a single time..never, ever used avid support. All I know is that I just upgraded to PT11 because it runs much more efficiently on my system. This new Avid plan saved me $100 on the upgrade AND gives me updates and support for 18 months. I would hope Avid is smart enough to realize that this was a necessary step to keep and grow market share, as many people I know are turning to other platforms like Logic. I was a Nuendo user for years until I switched to PT a couple years back, primarily to make my system compatible with more studios in the area and other engineers who may be using my system. Other than that, there are lots of editing features that are much easier in Nuendo, then again, there are features in PT that beat Nuendo. Oh,and don't forget the dreaded question that many people studio shopping ask, "Do you have Pro Tools??". I know an engineer that uses another DAW primarily, but has an Mbox with PTLE just so they can answer "Yes" lol. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2014 17:08:45 GMT -6
u r not cut off and your 11 will still run, the extra $200 fro vanilla and $600 for HD updates your license so you get all upgrades over the time of your support plan, i.e. 1 year. support is included whether you use it or not.
If you don't have 11 now you get it cheaper than those of us who already bought it.
$200 is about .70 cents per day and HD is about $2:50.
If you already have 11 they wil give you until 2015 to decide.
the value proposition, well you have to decide what is the opportunity cost of 3 quarters to about $2.50 a day ?
Pro tools expert has the best articles on this I have seen; half of its survey respondents will not upgrade past 11
Avid has yet to state what the upgrade cost will be to those who don't upgrade now and don't before the 2015 deadline they are also making noises about rental
11 is much more efficient than 10, they run as a co install now they may not in the future, most not all plugs are aax now and there are wrappers.
bottom line: over 5 - 10 years are you prepared to pay $1-6,000 to have a current PT daw that includes all new features) , is never more than 12 months old , plus support: all for the price of a coffee per day ?
hi finance ? maybe not ?
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Post by mulmany on Nov 4, 2014 17:53:06 GMT -6
Bug fix updates are still free. Good to know. I did not see a direct answer to that question and just wrapped it up in the upgrade feature. It's very similar to what Waves did. It seems like a decent deal for people who did not up grade already, like me. |
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Post by scumbum on Nov 4, 2014 21:00:46 GMT -6
I'm using 7.4 LE . It's nice to not have to be current .
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 4, 2014 23:27:53 GMT -6
Judging from Media Composer, there will probably be monthly and yearly rental plans that may be cheaper than the support contracts.
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Post by WKG on Nov 5, 2014 8:47:05 GMT -6
I have never needed Avid support for my system so that is completely useless to me. I have always paid for upgrades and I understand a cost incurred for a quality version upgrade.
The problem is this will hit me at $599 on an annual, ongoing basis with no certainty of any quality version upgrades. It is clear Avid is simply looking for ways to shear the dumb sheep (customers). The fact that as a PT11 owner already I get to pay an additional $599 for the "privilege" of a possibility of an useful upgrade and useless support is an absolute insult.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2014 8:52:06 GMT -6
I have never needed Avid support for my system so that is completely useless to me. I have always paid for upgrades and I understand a cost incurred for a quality version upgrade.
The problem is this will hit me at $599 on an annual, ongoing basis with no certainty of any quality version upgrades. It is clear Avid is simply looking for ways to shear the dumb sheep (customers). The fact that as a PT11 owner already I get to pay an additional $599 for the "privilege" of a possibility of an useful upgrade and useless support is an absolute insult.
Won't you just wait until PT12 comes along then pay the $599 upgrade then and have a year of support starting then? If you've been running 11 and haven't needed support, why pay for the support plan before a new version comes out. Isn't this just a way for Avid to charge an extra $200 or whatever for their software without getting slammed for not adding anything? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 5, 2014 9:27:46 GMT -6
Why do people pay so much for something that sounds so bad? Even my TV hurts my ears now. So, what would you say sounds better? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2014 9:49:51 GMT -6
Why do people pay so much for something that sounds so bad? Even my TV hurts my ears now. So, what would you say sounds better? I bet Pro Tools with a cap job and bigger power supply. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 5, 2014 9:52:58 GMT -6
I must be "retarded", I just read their new "plan" again, I still have no idea how it actually works, no one does, but they have it for sale? I repeat, Avid is selling "things" with no clear definitions of what the F they are?(with imposed year end deadlines to boot!) Really? u have go to be kidding me? The idea that they would release undefined "product" that induces anxiety on their current customers shows u just how f-d up this company is....
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 5, 2014 10:00:15 GMT -6
Why do people pay so much for something that sounds so bad? Even my TV hurts my ears now. So, what would you say sounds better? Jim uses a Soundcraft delta console, and an Alesis hd24 XR, both modded to the hilt, and they sound insane. If I wasn't such a puss, I'd have gone this route, but no, I need pro tools and their "support" plan smh... |
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