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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 17:55:52 GMT -6
I've been tracking bass through the Apollo...and...meh...Any suggestions? Heritage Jr, Neve 1073LB, Electrodyne...Great River...?
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 24, 2014 17:58:56 GMT -6
Burl B1D...... Best freaking preamp I've ever heard on a bass guitar.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 18:02:22 GMT -6
Interesting. And they're relatively cheap. That's the darker one, right?
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2014 18:05:42 GMT -6
what are you using for a DI?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 18:07:04 GMT -6
How do you select line level on the B1?
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 18:07:25 GMT -6
The Apollo instrument input...
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 18:08:38 GMT -6
I could buy a DI, but I'd be more than halfway to another pre...might as well just get the pre.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2014 18:13:19 GMT -6
I could buy a DI, but I'd be more than halfway to another pre...might as well just get the pre. what about dans Zod? that things sick! and less than most pre's no?
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 24, 2014 18:13:30 GMT -6
Yeah the B1D is the Iron tranny...... Think a Neve sound but with an extended and smooth lowend. I always jack the pre really hot on the input and get it grinding and it's amazing how the lowend still comes through so fat and large. That's one thing I could never get a Neve to do, when you would saturate it the lowend would go away, but not with this one. I've heard just about every pre on a bass and I swear to god that one is the best.
It kicks on acoustic guitars too, if you're wanting an aggressive sound. They are just badass preamps and not a lot of people really know about them. It's like a cleaner Neve almost. And I always just hit the impedance button when I'd track direct, it dropped the level down and let you really crank the shit out of it.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 24, 2014 19:13:28 GMT -6
The Lola is great, and it's much loved on bass, among other things.... here's what tapeop said: "the Lola is now our go-to bass guitar DI. It has been years since we mixed an album using only the DI. (The guys at Treelady Studios like to mic a cab. If you don't, that's fine. I'm just trying to explain.) Not a problem with the Lola. All of the articulation you expect from a DI is there, plus additional low mids and roundness that often requires a bass amp. If your bass player is all over the place dynamically (either from poor technique or poor setup), the Lola's added headroom lets you continue tracking without the need to adjust gain settings." www.tapeop.com/reviews/gear/93/lola-500-series-mic-preamp/It also has a line mode so you can easily use it as a color box. I'm getting ready to build my second one, so I can try it on the 2buss.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 19:59:23 GMT -6
I could buy a DI, but I'd be more than halfway to another pre...might as well just get the pre. what about dans Zod? that things sick! and less than most pre's no? Isn't it $5-600?
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Post by LesC on Oct 24, 2014 20:07:49 GMT -6
I really like the DI on my Heritage DMA-73. I can get anything from ultra-clean to Jack Bruce distortion.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2014 20:08:18 GMT -6
what about dans Zod? that things sick! and less than most pre's no? Isn't it $5-600? i think it's about $600, thats cheaper than a pre though?...unless you're in for a Lindell 8)
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2014 20:20:04 GMT -6
You see, a pre WITH a DI kills two birds with one stone. One would also get the benefit of the preamplifier portion of the apparatus...
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Post by ericn on Oct 24, 2014 20:39:11 GMT -6
I like pres with DIs but have never been wowed by a pre with a DI the way I have been by the best if the stand alone DI. I always get the idea that the DI is an afterthought .
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Post by lpedrum on Oct 24, 2014 21:39:16 GMT -6
I'm happy to plug a bass into my Phoenix DRS-1R when needed, and with both input and output you can mess with the tone a bit that way. But honestly I don't get all finicky about bass like I do about miking an acoustic guitar or vocal. I think a lot of the better pres will do more than fine. On the other hand... I produced a session this summer where the bassist brought along a REDDI bass tube DI and that thing was stunning. I knew because I had worked with this bassist many times in the same studio and the REDDI was just an obvious step up in fullness and tone. So I guess you could kill two birds with one stone, and maybe continue to chase mic pres for the ultimate bass DI. Or you could just buy the REDDI and be done with it. (It's so much fun to tell other folks what to buy when I anguish over every little purchase!) REDDI
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Post by scumbum on Oct 24, 2014 21:42:57 GMT -6
capi VP312DI , I love mine . Cheap to build too ,
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2014 0:03:07 GMT -6
are you using the apollo rotary digital control to drive the impedence for DI ?
Two other thoughts in the afforable and very good range: Warm Audio pres and Seven Circle diy in the One Shot format((shane could throw one together for you in his sleep!). He knows those kits and pres very well but also got a very special DI box a couple of month's back ?
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Post by RicFoxx on Oct 25, 2014 7:05:19 GMT -6
Dans DI! Really, Really incredible!!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2014 7:59:06 GMT -6
are you using the apollo rotary digital control to drive the impedence for DI ? Two other thoughts in the afforable and very good range: Warm Audio pres and Seven Circle diy in the One Shot format((shane could throw one together for you in his sleep!). He knows those kits and pres very well but also got a very special DI box a couple of month's back ? sinsip.com/yt.gif
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 25, 2014 12:44:22 GMT -6
From apollo HW manual:(1) Hi-Z Inputs 1 & 2 The Hi-Z (high impedance) JFET direct inputs are for connecting low-level passive devices such as electric guitar and bass instruments into channels 1 & 2 for A/D conversion. Connect only 1⁄4” unbalanced TS phone plugs to these inputs; TRS plugs cannot be used. The Hi-Z inputs have an ultra-high input impedance of 2.2 Megohms that eliminates impedance loading, preserving the high-frequency content of signals from sources with high impedance outputs (such as electric guitar pickups).
Hi-Z input gain levels are adjusted with the Preamp control for the associated channel.
I was remembering the reference to using the control for gain staging
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2014 12:58:04 GMT -6
Yeah - that's just gain staging/volume though. Doesn't really change the tone at all.
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Post by popmann on Oct 25, 2014 15:54:05 GMT -6
If your bass is passive, it absolutely changes the tone to change the impedance. Just like it it does a mic input. I actually have taken to using a line buffer to split....which changes the loading to the pickups....and happens to Y to the amp and DI, too, functionally...I was actually going to ask if UA's 610 preamp/channel modeling thing for the preamp extends to the DI....I've never used a better DI than the LA610's for bass or EP....I certainly could make the call that the U5, Great River, or RedDI might be better in some given context with their unique takes on tone....those are my three fave ever for the types--throaty tube, crystal clean exposing to a fault, and flat 2d huge big iron.
Also note that....with a passive DI ($50-90) plugged into your Neve clone, you aren't going to be far from the tone of "if that preamp had a DI"....ultimately, a DI it added because it's cheap--a port, a little transformer, and then it feeds into the mic amp....so, a passive Radial plugged into your Neve should be pretty close to some Neve preamp's DI port. Just don't get active. Don't let them tell you "for a few bucks more"....right? Yeah--that active will sound better plugged into some interface preamp (probably)....but, you've got a Neve clone sitting there.
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Post by dandeurloo on Oct 25, 2014 20:02:40 GMT -6
My 2 favorite pres with great DI's are CAPI VP312 and the Great River pre. Both are fantastic and I used them for years before I built my DI. So, if you are going for another pre/DI combo I recommend one of those 2.
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Post by jeromemason on Oct 25, 2014 20:26:43 GMT -6
I wish I hadn't sold my B1D, I was really hard up for cash and I don't track much here so it was the only thing I could part with at the time. I might just buy another one because when I go up to track in Nashville I'd for sure take it with me if the studio didn't have one. You know what it reminds me a lot of, is the Avalon DI, except the grind is fatter and warmer. Warhead, any chance you have any open box B1D's that John could try?? I remember when I bought it from you and you had told me that you didn't sell many because people really didn't know about them, has that changed any?
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