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Post by jimwilliams on Jan 31, 2015 19:31:20 GMT -6
I found that the master faders on high end analog consoles can also degrade audio quality. On lower cost consoles with carbon track faders like Alps there is a noticeable loss of top end details compared to when they are bypassed. It's worse if the zero line is at -10db down, not full up.
Even conductive plastic faders degrade quality. I used to have TKD conductive plastic faders with expensive pure silver Kimber wire in my Soundcraft Delta console. Once I removed and bypassed them on the pcb the 'air' all came back.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 1, 2015 10:53:36 GMT -6
Pan pots were the most notorious causes of degradation. This is why people avoided them and set everything to left, right or both busses on old consoles. After pan pots were built in, people realized after using them that mono/stereo musical balance compatibility was lots better with everything panned the old LCR way and many of us still do that.
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Post by brucerothwell on Feb 2, 2015 14:15:21 GMT -6
remember the only rule of Realgear Don't be an asshole.. Maybe we need an additional rule... "Learn to admit we could stand to learn something new" I am not using a "master fader", but am using an Aux channel, with various plugins for creating a "quick mastered bounce" -- I suspect that either way you go about it, and any DAW, somewhere the tracks have to be summed. But is seems hard to believe just the use of a "master fader" on the 2bus that gets sent to a bounce could cause noticeable degradation. But I've been wrong before. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Feb 2, 2015 14:40:43 GMT -6
remember the only rule of Realgear Don't be an asshole.. Maybe we need an additional rule... "Learn to admit we could stand to learn something new" I am not using a "master fader", but am using an Aux channel, with various plugins for creating a "quick mastered bounce" -- I suspect that either way you go about it, and any DAW, somewhere the tracks have to be summed. But is seems hard to believe just the use of a "master fader" on the 2bus that gets sent to a bounce could cause noticeable degradation. But I've been wrong before. Not sure what ur getting at here? but am I sensing a tone? If u read this thread, u'll learn that low level digital chatter is a certain audible issue, otherwise designers with more importan things to do would have never designed tools to combat it, namely dithering. This is a problem more pronounced with every virtual move we make. It's a fact not opinion. It's also a compounded problem for guys who use analog consoles, 10 channels of barely audible grunge will scream when summed, I'm pretty sure this is why Dither has noise shaping, so u don't mask with hiss that sounds identical and builds up in multiples. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 16:34:51 GMT -6
Maybe we need an additional rule... "Learn to admit we could stand to learn something new" I am not using a "master fader", but am using an Aux channel, with various plugins for creating a "quick mastered bounce" -- I suspect that either way you go about it, and any DAW, somewhere the tracks have to be summed. But is seems hard to believe just the use of a "master fader" on the 2bus that gets sent to a bounce could cause noticeable degradation. But I've been wrong before. Not sure what ur getting at here? but am I sensing a tone? If u read this thread, u'll learn that low level digital chatter is a certain audible issue, otherwise designers with more importan things to do would have never designed tools to combat it, namely dithering. This is a problem more pronounced with every virtual move we make. It's a fact not opinion. It's also a compounded problem for guys who use analog consoles, 10 channels of barely audible grunge will scream when summed, I'm pretty sure this is why Dither has noise shaping, so u don't mask with hiss that sounds identical and builds up in multiples. Actually you're right, Pro tools does have issues with latency on Aux busses all the way back from Pro tools LE.. If you have a HD setup this isn't an issue (AFAIK), I use Pro Tools 9.. I keep wondering why I use it, anyone know if all this gubbins has been fixed in PT11? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2015 18:40:40 GMT -6
remember the only rule of Realgear Don't be an asshole.. Maybe we need an additional rule... "Learn to admit we could stand to learn something new" I am not using a "master fader", but am using an Aux channel, with various plugins for creating a "quick mastered bounce" -- I suspect that either way you go about it, and any DAW, somewhere the tracks have to be summed. But is seems hard to believe just the use of a "master fader" on the 2bus that gets sent to a bounce could cause noticeable degradation. But I've been wrong before. I'm trying to figure out why you're trying to pick a fight by taking a quote from 6 months ago that wasn't directed at you... |
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Post by wiz on Feb 2, 2015 20:28:25 GMT -6
Maybe we need an additional rule... "Learn to admit we could stand to learn something new" I am not using a "master fader", but am using an Aux channel, with various plugins for creating a "quick mastered bounce" -- I suspect that either way you go about it, and any DAW, somewhere the tracks have to be summed. But is seems hard to believe just the use of a "master fader" on the 2bus that gets sent to a bounce could cause noticeable degradation. But I've been wrong before. I'm trying to figure out why you're trying to pick a fight by taking a quote from 6 months ago that wasn't directed at you... The way I took it, wasn't as aggressive... I would however.. like to be quoted in full... that way context is maintained cheers Wiz PS I will always err on the side of caution.... |
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Post by brucerothwell on Feb 3, 2015 9:04:32 GMT -6
It was just a general thought about the "one rule" here, that wiz mentioned. That is all.
I thought his comment stood well enough on its own to be quoted.
Sorry I was so wrong.
I was not trying to "pick a fight".
I profusely apologize.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 3, 2015 9:29:34 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Feb 3, 2015 15:51:32 GMT -6
It was just a general thought about the "one rule" here, that wiz mentioned. That is all. I thought his comment stood well enough on its own to be quoted. Sorry I was so wrong. I was not trying to "pick a fight". I profusely apologize. Don't give it a second thought... I always just assume people aint assholes 8) every one has one, doesn't mean everyone is one... 8) I like this place. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Feb 3, 2015 15:52:15 GMT -6
I think I watched that GIF for a good minute... it was hypnotising.... 8) cheers Wiz |
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