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Post by lpedrum on Nov 22, 2024 15:12:06 GMT -6
Is this thread clickbait? I honestly don't know! Watch this video at 12:00 and judge for yourself. It may just be possible that Neumann is finally acknowledging the undying popularity of the 84.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 22, 2024 15:34:55 GMT -6
Is this thread clickbait? I honestly don't know! Watch this video at 12:00 and judge for yourself. It may just be possible that Neumann is finally acknowledging the undying popularity of the 84. saw that guy teasing it without saying it, if they do and they nail the recreation it will fly off the shelves! |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 22, 2024 15:44:05 GMT -6
Wonder what they’d charge?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 22, 2024 15:44:21 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 22, 2024 15:49:31 GMT -6
Is this thread clickbait? I honestly don't know! Watch this video at 12:00 and judge for yourself. It may just be possible that Neumann is finally acknowledging the undying popularity of the 84. saw that guy teasing it without saying it, if they do and they nail the recreation it will fly off the shelves! Which mics have they nailed the recreation of so far? |
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Post by doubledog on Nov 22, 2024 16:17:28 GMT -6
Wonder what they’d charge?  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 22, 2024 16:18:52 GMT -6
saw that guy teasing it without saying it, if they do and they nail the recreation it will fly off the shelves! Which mics have they nailed the recreation of so far? I haven’t really followed it closely (because I’m not paying $7000 for a microphone) but I though the consensus was the reissue 67 was done pretty well. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 22, 2024 16:22:25 GMT -6
Guess he’s describing the sound of the 56 there…I don’t think of 84s as “having sparkle” and they don’t have a tube. I’ve only used the 56 a couple times and thought they could be a little bright compared to the 84.
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Post by ericn on Nov 22, 2024 16:57:27 GMT -6
Which mics have they nailed the recreation of so far? I haven’t really followed it closely (because I’m not paying $7000 for a microphone) but I though the consensus was the reissue 67 was done pretty well. All of them have been pretty well received 47fet, 67 & M49. The 84 has always made sense for a reissue, the capsule is still in production, there is nothing in there that is completely unobtainable. Vintage prices keep going up. The story always was they were afraid KM184 & 100 series sales would be hurt. Personally I would love to see the KM86 be reissued, but I think I would be priced out of the market. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 22, 2024 18:43:30 GMT -6
Which mics have they nailed the recreation of so far? I haven’t really followed it closely (because I’m not paying $7000 for a microphone) but I though the consensus was the reissue 67 was done pretty well. We love our U67 reissue and the M49v is amazing. That said, we just aquired 4 vintage m49c/m50 mics and woooooow. It is better IMO. But also cost 2.5x more, each. I get the hype. But the m49v is still an very very good microphone and we are using both this weekend next to eachother. Considering they never stopped making the KM84 capsule I'd imagine it shouldn't be a huge task to make new ones that sound very very good. But yeah probably cost 2500-3000 a pair be my guess at least. When you look at what a pair of MK4 or 4011's cost. |
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Post by seawell on Nov 22, 2024 19:08:34 GMT -6
That would be awesome if they brought it back! Side note: that face in the thumbnail...wow 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by notneeson on Nov 22, 2024 19:46:30 GMT -6
I haven’t really followed it closely (because I’m not paying $7000 for a microphone) but I though the consensus was the reissue 67 was done pretty well. We love our U67 reissue and the M49v is amazing. That said, we just aquired 4 vintage m49c/m50 mics and woooooow. It is better IMO. But also cost 2.5x more, each. I get the hype. But the m49v is still an very very good microphone and we are using both this weekend next to eachother. Considering they never stopped making the KM84 capsule I'd imagine it shouldn't be a huge task to make new ones that sound very very good. But yeah probably cost 2500-3000 a pair be my guess at least. When you look at what a pair of MK4 or 4011's cost. After I spent more time with the reissue 67, I stopped pulling down the vintage 269s to cut vocals. The reissue is killer. |
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Post by rowmat on Nov 22, 2024 20:25:33 GMT -6
Guess he’s describing the sound of the 56 there…I don’t think of 84s as “having sparkle” and they don’t have a tube. I’ve only used the 56 a couple times and thought they could be a little bright compared to the 84. I have a KM54 which is the cardioid only version. It became my ‘go to’ mic for banjo and mandolin especially for banjo trying to compete in a mix. Not so much for acoustic guitar where the KM84 still holds top spot. The KM84’s midrange is what almost no other SDC’s nail in then same way. It’s tight, dry and focussed. |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 22, 2024 22:34:32 GMT -6
Is this thread clickbait? I honestly don't know! Watch this video at 12:00 and judge for yourself. It may just be possible that Neumann is finally acknowledging the undying popularity of the 84. saw that guy teasing it without saying it, if they do and they nail the recreation it will fly off the shelves! possibly Wonder what they’d charge? a hell of a lot more than Serrano charges |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 22, 2024 22:46:58 GMT -6
saw that guy teasing it without saying it, if they do and they nail the recreation it will fly off the shelves! possibly Wonder what they’d charge? a hell of a lot more than Serrano charges Have u compared the Serrano to a km84? |
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Post by Quint on Nov 22, 2024 22:58:00 GMT -6
saw that guy teasing it without saying it, if they do and they nail the recreation it will fly off the shelves! possibly Wonder what they’d charge? a hell of a lot more than Serrano charges Yeah, the Serrano 84s are pretty great. And it ain't rocket science, or at least it shouldn't be. Just make a capsule that walks the line between cardioid and Omni. Wide cardioid. That's the KM84 secret, not that it's even really a secret. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 22, 2024 23:07:20 GMT -6
If they can reissue the 67, surely they could do the 84.
Unless they are allergic to money. Yea, that's it.
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Post by Quint on Nov 22, 2024 23:33:11 GMT -6
If they can reissue the 67, surely they could do the 84. Unless they are allergic to money. Yea, that's it. Yeah, since they are still producing the same capsule, this seems to be the easiest lift. I don't know why they still haven't done it. |
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Post by aremos on Nov 23, 2024 0:01:14 GMT -6
I have all the RI's & the 67 & 47Fet are great!
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Post by drumsound on Nov 23, 2024 0:29:07 GMT -6
possibly a hell of a lot more than Serrano charges Have u compared the Serrano to a km84? I haven't, but they are affordable, and well respected and I doubt that the ones made by Neumann would be however many times the price better. There's no possibility a pair from Neumann will come in around 800 bucks. |
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Post by crillemannen on Nov 23, 2024 1:23:46 GMT -6
Neumann did do a small run of NOS KM84 pairs this year. I think it was about 25 pairs. I didn't get the Final price but I got an early estimate for about 5000€. If they go into production they will never be cheap.
I did do a small comparison between the km54 I bought just now and one of my mint Km84s and the 84 holds up. The Km84 accents the low-end strings more where the toppend is just there adding high-end sparkle. The Km54 on the other hand accentuates the toppend where each string is presented with an unmatched resolution. The low-end strings are there but doesn't give you that fullness. Both are great but if I had to chose I would go with the Km84 since it is so more versatile
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Post by antipodesjosh on Nov 23, 2024 1:35:26 GMT -6
5000€ is nearly 9k NZD, I just saw a BMW with 60,000km on the clock for that price 😅
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 23, 2024 1:38:39 GMT -6
Which mics have they nailed the recreation of so far? I haven’t really followed it closely (because I’m not paying $7000 for a microphone) but I though the consensus was the reissue 67 was done pretty well. I have wondered how it compares to the BeezNeez BU67 mk2 There's $5000 difference in cost! I can't imagine that's $5000 just for a Neumann badge? |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 23, 2024 1:41:40 GMT -6
Have u compared the Serrano to a km84? I haven't, but they are affordable, and well respected and I doubt that the ones made by Neumann would be however many times the price better. There's no possibility a pair from Neumann will come in around 800 bucks. I bought a Schoeps CM6 MK4 And I'd of course love another to make a stereo pair .... and a few pairs of alternative capsules (the cost soon get's high doing that!) Those Schoeps sound amazing to my ears on acoustic guitars, vocals, over heads, pianos, percussion. How is an 84 better/ different? |
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Post by Shadowk on Nov 23, 2024 5:46:38 GMT -6
Personally I’ve no issues with the km184. I must be missing something because I hold the 84 in similar regards. I used a couple of 184’s plus a KMS 105 to record an entire demo and it forgetting certain tech related issues sound-wise it came out really well.
Not sure if it’s my chain, the way I mix or the instruments I use but it sounded smooth. Nothing peaky, I have used it direct to board before and it did appear a bit odd but seen as I’ll never use it in that scenario it’s sorta irrelevant.
It’s fun trying out tons of expensive mic’s, reissues etc. but when it comes down to brass taxes I can easily do without. Might get some more stuff up on reverb.
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