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Post by EmRR on Sept 6, 2024 0:38:42 GMT -6
From what I understand he makes the best km84 clone out there by far, never actually tried them I use one for OH on the live radio show. It’s good there. Can’t say how it actually compares to anything else. Haven’t heard it anywhere else. Here's a decent example, try to hear through the Youtube mangle factor.
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Post by nomatic on Sept 6, 2024 5:38:05 GMT -6
I have never heard a Peluso that I like very much.
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Post by andersmv on Sept 6, 2024 6:22:21 GMT -6
I’ve worked with most of their catalog at this point and owned a few over the years. They’re made really well and I think most are priced well for what you get. I just couldn’t get past something in the higher frequencies, something almost hollow or glassy. It wasn’t bad or harsh to me, the most direct thing I could reference was most of their mics always brought out the squeakiness in guitar strings. I noticed it in the ribbon mic as well.
Not bad mics by any means, I just always seem to find something else I prefer a lot more. I could 100% make a good album using just their mics. With prices going up the way they have, I think I could literally have any of the Soyuz equivalents for the same money. That’s a no brainer to me, Soyuz all the way…
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 6, 2024 9:11:44 GMT -6
I had the 2247Le for almost 10 years. Excellent microphone, worked on pretty much all vocalists. I revisited some of those sessions and the vocals do sound great. I think I bought mine for like 1200$ used and it served me well.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 6, 2024 9:15:06 GMT -6
Had. Maybe/sorta like why I never got round to modding my Oktava 219? (With Sitler) Even modded... IMHO won't be quite up to BU67/OG Soundelux U195/BZ Elly Studio. Etc. etc. Chris P.S. Not saying necessarily those vocals weren't "great". But... Maybe "greater" with what you have now.
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Post by ab101 on Sept 6, 2024 11:10:01 GMT -6
Years ago, I had the Peluso P12 and thought it sounded really good. But it was about 1/2 the price they are today. At today's prices and more competition, I would go the Beesneez route. Not so much that the Peluso P12 is bad, but the Beesneez 12a tube is amazing!
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Post by ericn on Sept 6, 2024 11:59:34 GMT -6
OK…I gotta see your Tim Walz… You kidding send me up north 4 10 days, it won’t be a impression.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 6, 2024 18:01:52 GMT -6
John, Mary, and Chris are good friends and I’ve been to their place several times. At ETSU we have (let me count)…
2247SE P12 TR14 P28 (two of them) P87 P414 (four of them) P84 (two of them)
And I own a P49 for myself.
If you can’t make a record with Peluso, it ain’t the mic’s fault.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 6, 2024 18:13:07 GMT -6
I'm weirded out by the Peluso hate, Ben Sneesby basically stole $500 from me by sending me door stop K7's all wrinkled to shit, he stone walled me on the first one after i sent him pictures as proof and asked for a replacement, he was utterly irrational and attempted to screw me until i made a stink on the forums, then his wife stepped in and bailed him out, she sent me another one that was equally as wrinkled up crap, at that point i gave up on them as the writing was on the wall, i never said much about it publicly after that, and one is in a junk drawer and the other i sent to Shannon 10 years ago for a possible reskin and haven't cared to get it back, i'm sure ben spent my hard earned as well as the donation i made to his son's health fund drive, but make no mistake, he screwed me out of $500 cold
edit; he didn't want me to send the first one back🤷🏻♂️
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Post by sean on Sept 6, 2024 20:00:26 GMT -6
The crew at Peluso are very friendly people and are very generous when it comes to helping artist, especially in roots genres. I think I've used every Peluso microphone and while I don't personally own any of them I was always impressed with the 2247LE.
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Post by mics on Sept 6, 2024 20:14:55 GMT -6
I'm weirded out by the Peluso hate, Ben Sneesby basically stole $500 from me by sending me door stop K7's all wrinkled to shit, he stone walled me on the first one after i sent him pictures as proof and asked for a replacement, he was utterly irrational and attempted to screw me until i made a stink on the forums, then his wife stepped in and bailed him out, she sent me another one that was equally as wrinkled up crap, at that point i gave up on them as the writing was on the wall, i never said much about it publicly after that, and one is in a junk drawer and the other i sent to Shannon 10 years ago for a possible reskin and haven't cared to get it back, i'm sure ben spent my hard earned as well as the donation i made to his son's health fund drive, but make no mistake, he screwed me out of $500 cold edit; he didn't want me to send the first one back🤷🏻♂️ Hi Tony. So sad to see you are still dirty over this. We only didn’t want you to send the other one back because we didn’t want you to spend any money as you were and notably still a decade later seem to be hurting over this one. I wish you had have told me about the second capsule not meeting your level of satisfaction. Would you like another? Free of charge. I feel sad that this is still bothering you after more than 10 years. Let me know and I’ll organise our best of the best wrinkle free version for you. (All puns aside, I would like you to be able to put this to bed). Also, not wanting to re hash anything here because let’s face it, there is your story, my story and truth, but after way more than 10 years, the only important thing is for you to feel happy with the outcome. Thanks Ben
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Post by hadaja on Sept 6, 2024 20:33:45 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd. I have seen Ben and Veronica grow and change over the last 10 + years. Ben has tried to make amends to a few people I know in the past. They have been satisfied with the outcome. Seriously I would take Ben up on his offer and try and sort this out off line, you might be surprised. My 2 cents.
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Post by mics on Sept 6, 2024 20:50:55 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd. I have seen Ben and Veronica grow and change over the last 10 + years. Ben has tried to make amends to a few people I know in the past. They have been satisfied with the outcome. Seriously I would take Ben up on his offer and try and sort this out off line, you might be surprised. My 2 cents. Hi there. Thanks for the vote of support. Sadly, sometimes, certain factors and situations make it all but impossible to reach a positive outcome unless all parties can find a way to work together. I feel that we have always from day 1 tried to be kind, considerate and very honest in our dealings with our customers. Sure, there will always be one or two that just won’t come to the party but all we can do is keep trying. As I said in my last message, I’ll be happy to send Tony a 3rd capsule free of charge if it will make him feel that we aren’t out to short him of hard earned funds. I actually don’t have any hard feeling Tony, I am more than happy to send you another capsule. I’ll send it through my good friend Chris if you like so that he can check it over for you and make sure it is a perfect version of the K7. This will be a satisfactory outcome for us if you are finally pleased with the product. Thanks please Tony, don’t take this as I feel you are to blame for what has transpired. I feel that things we’re tough for both you and I at the time and perhaps we both could have dealt with things better. I am acknowledging my part in what happened and really would like you to feel satisfied and to know that we have never set out to leave you high and dry. Ben
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Post by Ari on Sept 7, 2024 16:10:15 GMT -6
humidity shock hits m7s particularly hard unless you get all the materials perfect. i'm genuinely scared of shipping m7s to different climates tbh.
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Sept 7, 2024 18:20:56 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd. I have seen Ben and Veronica grow and change over the last 10 + years. Ben has tried to make amends to a few people I know in the past. They have been satisfied with the outcome. Seriously I would take Ben up on his offer and try and sort this out off line, you might be surprised. My 2 cents. Hi there. Thanks for the vote of support. Sadly, sometimes, certain factors and situations make it all but impossible to reach a positive outcome unless all parties can find a way to work together. I feel that we have always from day 1 tried to be kind, considerate and very honest in our dealings with our customers. Sure, there will always be one or two that just won’t come to the party but all we can do is keep trying. As I said in my last message, I’ll be happy to send Tony a 3rd capsule free of charge if it will make him feel that we aren’t out to short him of hard earned funds. I actually don’t have any hard feeling Tony, I am more than happy to send you another capsule. I’ll send it through my good friend Chris if you like so that he can check it over for you and make sure it is a perfect version of the K7. This will be a satisfactory outcome for us if you are finally pleased with the product. Thanks please Tony, don’t take this as I feel you are to blame for what has transpired. I feel that things we’re tough for both you and I at the time and perhaps we both could have dealt with things better. I am acknowledging my part in what happened and really would like you to feel satisfied and to know that we have never set out to leave you high and dry. Ben Ben makes quality stuff, and when we've had any issues or questions with the fantastic CK12s we're using in the V14/V24 he or Veronica helps out straightaway. Would really advise you take him up on the offer, Tony - I think you'd be happy about it. -DEREK
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2024 20:21:24 GMT -6
Yeah - I was completely just talking about him being creepy in a non political way. I get it my wife finds my James Carnell impression hilariously accurate and of course for those that don’t know yes I am RGO’s token true WI token progressive liberal, yet JK Ward, Svart are close friends go figure! Leave this poor crestfallen RFK Jr supporter alone, please.
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2024 20:26:23 GMT -6
Hey tonycamphd. I have seen Ben and Veronica grow and change over the last 10 + years. Ben has tried to make amends to a few people I know in the past. They have been satisfied with the outcome. Seriously I would take Ben up on his offer and try and sort this out off line, you might be surprised. My 2 cents. Hi there. Thanks for the vote of support. Sadly, sometimes, certain factors and situations make it all but impossible to reach a positive outcome unless all parties can find a way to work together. I feel that we have always from day 1 tried to be kind, considerate and very honest in our dealings with our customers. Sure, there will always be one or two that just won’t come to the party but all we can do is keep trying. As I said in my last message, I’ll be happy to send Tony a 3rd capsule free of charge if it will make him feel that we aren’t out to short him of hard earned funds. I actually don’t have any hard feeling Tony, I am more than happy to send you another capsule. I’ll send it through my good friend Chris if you like so that he can check it over for you and make sure it is a perfect version of the K7. This will be a satisfactory outcome for us if you are finally pleased with the product. Thanks please Tony, don’t take this as I feel you are to blame for what has transpired. I feel that things we’re tough for both you and I at the time and perhaps we both could have dealt with things better. I am acknowledging my part in what happened and really would like you to feel satisfied and to know that we have never set out to leave you high and dry. Ben Ben, I only wish every manufacturer had your integrity.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 8, 2024 6:00:52 GMT -6
My understanding about Peluso is, as was stated before, he really got the ball rolling on creating more budget friendly clones that sounded good. The CEK12 was his design. He took a K67 capsule and found away to make it behave similarly to a CK12. Giving him and others the ability to make C12 and 251 style mics for more of a budget price. I had tried his 2247LE in a studio in Brooklyn and really loved what I heard. So much so, that even after just investing in my U87ai, my wife and I decided to invest in the Peluso. I made the mistake of listening to the marketing and purchasing the 2247SE which used a Russian tube and “sounds the same.” It did not. In fact you can listen to clips on Audio Test Kitchen and hear it still does not sound the same. It was more open up top and lacked some low end info that LE had. That said, it was my go to mic for my vocals for a while. It came with me to some big shootouts, and I got to put it next to a mint Wagner U47, which itself seemed to beat out all the vintage U47s in every shootout it was part of. It did an ok job at capturing sound in the same way as the Wagner, but lacked the warmth. My understanding about his capsules is they are made to spec in China, but assembled and skinned here in the states by John. When I started looking at 49s and 67s Peluso was my first pick. I just didn’t have the funds at the time. So I began looking at Advanced Audio which would save me over $1000. Dave began AA by modding the Apex 460s with circuit corrections and Peluso capsules. At some point Peluso stopped selling them his capsules and Dave went out to the same factory in China and had them make the AA capsules, however they made the whole capsule and then sent them to AA where they were QCed at their shop before being installed in a mic. Eventually, I believe all of their mics are now made fully in China, and the mics themselves are QCed in their shop. I didn’t really love the CM12 or CM251. They were fine, but I didn’t love them. I had modded a pair of TNC ACM1200s (became the Avantone CV12) into the CM12 and CM251, but I’m not sure either was necessarily better sounding than the original mic, just different. The CM12 seemed tamer. The CM251 worked on a couple of voices well, but not better than the CM49 did. These of course use the CEK12 capsule design. Peluso in my opinion had a better build quality. The mics looked nicer and less generic. As for sound, they were probably in the same vein. I loved my AA CM49. I never got a chance to try the Peluso P49, but clips out there show a very similar sound. I wish I had tried his new CM49LE. I know it uses a more M49 style body, nicer power supply, and that he tested an AC701K in the circuit to figure out what was going on electrically, and modified the circuit of the CM49 to replicate what was going on while using his chosen tube. At this point I have a pair of FleA 49s, so there is no reason to chase the CM49LE down. The Peluso 2247SE was a better U47 style mic than the CM48T I tried. The CM48T was nice and darker, but didn’t quite behave like a U48. AA’s CM67SE was based on a modified U67 with a bright top end sound. It was a nice sounding mic though, although more open than my RMS269. Dave was able to provide a mod for me that rolled off the top for a more traditional sounding U67 sound using the low end rolloff switch as a high end rolloff. I never got a chance to compare it to the Peluso P67, but the P67 sounds nice from what I heard. I also hear the P67 got slightly darker after its initial release based on customer feedback. Warm is doing basically the same thing as AA, but on a global scale. I liked the WA47. It’s not as polished sounding as a FleA or Wagner, but it sounds like a U47 clone. It has a touch bigger high end and low end than the real thing. Non the less it’s a nice place to start. I liked it better than my Peluso 2247SE. I kind of wonder how it would compare to the 2247LE. Their WA67 does the opposite, it is darker than a real U67. I was able to directly compare it to my modded MK U67 and the Beesneez BU67/269. The WA67 was just dull and hard to EQ. Beesneez had a slightly smaller sound than my MKU67, and rolled off more than I would like, but Ben did something interesting, he listened to me and others who had similar thoughts on his mic, and created an MKII version to address them. So, that was a no brainer for me. I sold the WA67 and used it to partially fund the Beesneez B67/269 MKII. It hasn’t left the stand since I bought it and sits covered next to my FleA 49. Their WAC12 and WA251 use a CEK12 capsule. When I look at Peluso, AA, and Warm I think they all have a few winners in their arsenals. If I needed a few extra mics for a project and found a WA47, CM49, or Peluso 2247LE at decent prices, I would strongly consider them. For real budget concerns, look at the ADK TFETs. I preferred the 251 Cremona to my AA CM251, and their 67 is a great general purpose mic with that more neutral 67 flavor. I went in this direction,and for me it’s a good direction. I think the Beesneez mics are much better in general, and if you have the budget you should start there. I hope to try a few more of his mics down the road. I really want to try his BC12 long body and new 251. mics , if you send them my way I will make an awesome video featuring two pretty outstanding opera/legit singers.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 8, 2024 10:48:54 GMT -6
I wonder if/when Peluso or Advanced Audio... Are coming back with a NAMM Booth?
Funny how January 2025 comes around so fast! Chris
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 8, 2024 11:39:22 GMT -6
As someone who has not used any Peluso, AA, and only the very early ADKs, how does Pearlman fit into all this? Haven’t used anything there either.
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Post by doubledog on Sept 8, 2024 12:23:50 GMT -6
As someone who has not used any Peluso, AA, and only the very early ADKs, how does Pearlman fit into all this? Haven’t used anything there either. I think DP still skins his own capsules and hand assembles the mics. I've got one of the light gray TM-1's and I really like it. Couldn't tell you how it sounds next to a real 47 but then I don't really care either. It has a sound that I like - at least on the voices I've used it on so far - it did what I expected it to do (and I did compare it to other less expensive 47 clones including the AA, Warm, etc.).
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 8, 2024 13:43:58 GMT -6
[Couldn't tell you how it sounds next to a real 47 but then I don't really care either. I stopped caring at least 10-years ago. At this point, for me, with all the mics I own, the only mic (from the group I mentioned) I can see myself buying is the Pearlman Church; but not at that price-point. Honestly, it’d be awesome if he’d sell he a transformer. I haven’t contacted him.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 9, 2024 5:10:36 GMT -6
I have a Pearlman TM1, but it’s from back when he was really customizing microphone builds. Generic body, but internally it has a Neumann K47 and a Telefunken EF14. I’ve often debated and even chatted with him about putting the BV8 he uses in his Pearlman 47 in it, replacing the stock Cinemag CM-2461NiCo. That transformer is very similar to the BV8, but boosts the low end a bit more. There is more info on that transformer on Cinemax’s website which shows what I’m talking about. cinemag.biz/shootout/shootout.phpI started just recording with a high pass filter set to 50 on my 1073, and that solves my issue with the low end. So I’ve let that idea go for now. The TM1 is interesting in that it has (2) modes and utilizes the rolloff switch in the front to go between them. I feel like no one talks about that either. In the flat mode it has a bigger push in the high mids, making it brighter and a bit more modern. You can see that in the charts on the Cinemag page. They call it a resonant frequency, and it is more pronounced than the BV8. The high end rolloff tames that a bit and it gets more of a mellow M7 sound. I actually shot mine out next to (2) FleA 47s, one with an F47 capsule and one with an F7 capsule. I found I liked the different FleA capsules for different genres and preferred the Pearlman as it could be used for both, so I kept it. I don’t know how it compares to his stock version. The new stock version uses his own capsule, and the same Russian tube that was in my Peluso 2247SE. I kind of wonder if it sounds more like my Peluso with those parts. You can hear clips of his TM-1, 47, Church, and 251 on Audio Test Kitchen. From those samples I really love the way The Church mic sounds. I wish I knew why he makes his 47 as cardioid only. Every time I’ve heard it I liked it. There is an interesting shootout VK did where they stacked so,e county/rock vocals using all their 47s, and to me the Pearlman and the FleA had that sound I look for in 47s that remind me of that Wagner I used. His 251 seems more open than some of the others on that site. One thing I’ll say is Dave has been great as far as customer service. When I first bought the mic used it needed a little work, and had to go back to Dave. He was great about getting on the phone with me and helping me figure out the issue I was having.
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Post by doubledog on Sept 9, 2024 7:26:06 GMT -6
The TM1 is interesting in that it has (2) modes and utilizes the rolloff switch in the front to go between them. So when you refer to the "two modes". I'm assuming that is a specific mod that yours has? I thought I remember seeing something about that. I think mine is just a standard HPF but maybe I'm wrong. Mine has an EF80 tube in it. I bought it used so it's several years old but it's still got the gray painted body (not the older black body - those seemed to mostly use the EF12 tubes I think?). It sounds exactly like what I was hearing in my head (but the only other $$$$ boutique 47/48 mic I've used is a Wunder CM7s, and not simultaneously...)
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Sept 9, 2024 9:08:09 GMT -6
I wonder if/when Peluso or Advanced Audio... Are coming back with a NAMM Booth? Funny how January 2025 comes around so fast! Chris NAMM is too dang expensive now for not enough return. IMO they've shot themselves in the foot by making it more and more onerous, financially and otherwise, to exhibit. I didn't do my own booth last year, for the first time since 2016 (excepting the Covid year where they didn't do NAMM at all). I don't know if i'm even going to do a shared booth this year TBH. It's so much time and effort and while I do enjoy seeing friends in the industry, I don't $10k+ enjoy it once you factor in travel, lodging, food, and the exhibit itself.
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