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Post by thehightenor on Aug 21, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -6
Last year I sorted out my studio with a new 13900K uber PC desktop to run Cubase, Wavelab, Dorico and all my software.
Now I want to sort out my writing room/ teaching room/ video editing set-up with a laptop.
I prefer PC's for desktop studio systems, but for mobile devices Apple rules.
What is the sweet spot in terms of power/money ratio?
I'm looking at,
2023 Apple MacBook Pro 14", M3 Max Processor, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD .... £3050
2023 Apple MacBook Pro 14", M3 Pro Processor, 18GB RAM, 1TB SSD .... £2300
That's another £700 for 18GB RAM (yeah I realise that's Apple Tax for you) is it worth the extra £700 for 18GB of RAM.
When I come to do video editing and running Cubase/Logic X will I be glad I went with 36GB RAM?
It's been a while since I bought an Apple system.
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Post by centralpark on Aug 21, 2024 12:09:22 GMT -6
M4 Macbook Pros are predicted to be released this fall. September or October.
Suggest waiting a month. Right now is a really bad time to buy unless you can get a good discount.
In the US, M3 MacBook Pros have been offered with $500 discounts. $2900 models on sale for $2400.
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 21, 2024 12:22:38 GMT -6
Last year I sorted out my studio with a new 13900K uber PC desktop to run Cubase, Wavelab, Dorico and all my software. Now I want to sort out my writing room/ teaching room/ video editing set-up with a laptop. I prefer PC's for desktop studio systems, but for mobile devices Apple rules. What is the sweet spot in terms of power/money ratio? I'm looking at, 2023 Apple MacBook Pro 14", M3 Max Processor, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD .... £3050 2023 Apple MacBook Pro 14", M3 Pro Processor, 18GB RAM, 1TB SSD .... £2300 That's another £700 for 18GB RAM (yeah I realise that's Apple Tax for you) is it worth the extra £700 for 18GB of RAM. When I come to do video editing and running Cubase/Logic X will I be glad I went with 36GB RAM? It's been a while since I bought an Apple system. The "is it worth it question" is really only one you can answer based on need vs budget. Anymore, Macs are a "system on a board" so nothing is upgradeable, even the disk. So its best to buy the most you can afford at the time. If I read your post correctly, this is going to be a video editing machine, in which case I'd say, buy the most you can afford - you will make use of the extra memory there. Also for large audio projects, you would make use of it as well. For just about anything else, I'd say the extra memory on a Mac is not worth the $$. As for timing, when new products are announced, current Apple inventory does get discounted some, but you are not guaranteed to find what you want/need. If the computer is going to make you money, just buy it because you'll recoup the marginal savings in getting work done sooner.
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Post by lanapop on Aug 21, 2024 12:28:31 GMT -6
Sure! I'd say if you can swing it, go for the 36GB RAM. It'll help with heavy video editing and music software. But if you're on a budget, the M3 Pro with 18GB RAM should still do well.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 21, 2024 12:29:55 GMT -6
Last year I sorted out my studio with a new 13900K uber PC desktop to run Cubase, Wavelab, Dorico and all my software. Now I want to sort out my writing room/ teaching room/ video editing set-up with a laptop. I prefer PC's for desktop studio systems, but for mobile devices Apple rules. What is the sweet spot in terms of power/money ratio? I'm looking at, 2023 Apple MacBook Pro 14", M3 Max Processor, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD .... £3050 2023 Apple MacBook Pro 14", M3 Pro Processor, 18GB RAM, 1TB SSD .... £2300 That's another £700 for 18GB RAM (yeah I realise that's Apple Tax for you) is it worth the extra £700 for 18GB of RAM. When I come to do video editing and running Cubase/Logic X will I be glad I went with 36GB RAM? It's been a while since I bought an Apple system. The "is it worth it question" is really only one you can answer based on need vs budget. Anymore, Macs are a "system on a board" so nothing is upgradeable, even the disk. So its best to buy the most you can afford at the time. If I read your post correctly, this is going to be a video editing machine, in which case I'd say, buy the most you can afford - you will make use of the extra memory there. Also for large audio projects, you would make use of it as well. For just about anything else, I'd say the extra memory on a Mac is not worth the $$. As for timing, when new products are announced, current Apple inventory does get discounted some, but you are not guaranteed to find what you want/need. If the computer is going to make you money, just buy it because you'll recoup the marginal savings in getting work done sooner. Thanks. Yes, I'd like to do vide editing on this machine - I'll take your advice and consider the 36GB model as the better option. I won't be doing big audio projects, I have my 13900K PC desktop system for that in my main studio space. I will buy it through my business so I'll get 30% back against tax so that helps quite a lot - but these machines are not cheap! And ... How long can I expect a mac Book Pro to last using it a few hours every day - are they quite robust? I'd like to think I'll get 5-7 years out of it or is that unrealistic?
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 21, 2024 12:33:26 GMT -6
The "is it worth it question" is really only one you can answer based on need vs budget. Anymore, Macs are a "system on a board" so nothing is upgradeable, even the disk. So its best to buy the most you can afford at the time. If I read your post correctly, this is going to be a video editing machine, in which case I'd say, buy the most you can afford - you will make use of the extra memory there. Also for large audio projects, you would make use of it as well. For just about anything else, I'd say the extra memory on a Mac is not worth the $$. As for timing, when new products are announced, current Apple inventory does get discounted some, but you are not guaranteed to find what you want/need. If the computer is going to make you money, just buy it because you'll recoup the marginal savings in getting work done sooner. Thanks. Yes, I'd like to do videos on this machine - I'll take your advice and consider the 36GB model as the better option. I won't be doing big audio projects, I have my 13900K PC desktop system for that. I will buy it through my business so I'll get 30% back against tax so that helps quite a lot - but these machines are not cheap! And ... How long can I expect a mac Book Pro to last using it a few hours every day - are they quite robust? I'd like to think I'll get 5-7 years out of it or is that unrealistic? I've been using macs for 30 years now. The latest mac laptops will last a minimum of 5 years, 7 is very realistic and 10 is not uncalled for, but software updates, etc., tend to outdate it by that time. For example, Macs look more like iPads in how they are built these days - "system on a board" - I have a 10 year old iPad still going strong, but won't run a lot of stuff because it can only run the OS up to a certain older version. Hardware is still fine. My wife uses her MBP 8-10 hours a day, 5 days a week and 5 years is very doable on hers. She wore the keypads on one MBP before we finally decided to replace it. I think you have little to worry about....
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 21, 2024 12:41:59 GMT -6
Thanks. Yes, I'd like to do videos on this machine - I'll take your advice and consider the 36GB model as the better option. I won't be doing big audio projects, I have my 13900K PC desktop system for that. I will buy it through my business so I'll get 30% back against tax so that helps quite a lot - but these machines are not cheap! And ... How long can I expect a mac Book Pro to last using it a few hours every day - are they quite robust? I'd like to think I'll get 5-7 years out of it or is that unrealistic? I've been using macs for 30 years now. The latest mac laptops will last a minimum of 5 years, 7 is very realistic and 10 is not uncalled for, but software updates, etc., tend to outdate it by that time. For example, Macs look more like iPads in how they are built these days - "system on a board" - I have a 10 year old iPad still going strong, but won't run a lot of stuff because it can only run the OS up to a certain older version. Hardware is still fine. My wife uses her MBP 8-10 hours a day, 5 days a week and 5 years is very doable on hers. She wore the keypads on one MBP before we finally decided to replace it. I think you have little to worry about.... Thank you for that info - it's very helpful. One more question if that's ok I'll be using this new laptop as something mobile but mainly within my house as opposed to taking it out of the house (maybe occasionally) what happens to the battery if I'm running on the power adapter all the time? Do I have to make sure I run it on battery every now and then to keep the battery healthy - are modern batteries are a bit more forgiving these days?
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Post by reddirt on Aug 21, 2024 18:43:37 GMT -6
How about the MacBook Air 15" ? - up to 24 gig of ram
As to longevity; I still run a mid 2010 17" when required. Have replaced battery, CD drive ( both died ultimately) put in an OWC SSD also max 8 gigs of RAM. It's not a killer speed wise but 24 tracks are no worries; it just keeps going on projects that belie it's age.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by rowmat on Aug 21, 2024 19:00:46 GMT -6
I’m running Ventura on a mid 2012 16GB Ram MacBook Pro Retina using Opencore Legacy Patcher.
It’s fine for Reaper and most audio related stuff but the MPB itself no longer has the horsepower (or enough video RAM) to run the current Adobe graphics software due to the amount of AI going on and will crash most of the time.
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 21, 2024 19:16:34 GMT -6
Macbook pro M1 max, i wouldn't spend a dime on a newer model unless you're processing 12k video, check out the attachment, i believe there are almost 240 plugin instances using liquid sonics, Fab filter stuff at maximum over sampling and maxed out linear phase mode, these things are unreal, and now you can get a M1 for a song
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 22, 2024 1:15:54 GMT -6
Macbook pro M1 max, i wouldn't spend a dime on a newer model unless you're processing 12k video, check out the attachment, i believe there are almost 240 plugin instances using liquid sonics, Fab filter stuff at maximum over sampling and maxed out linear phase mode, these things are unreal, and now you can get a M1 for a song View AttachmentImpressive. It’ll only be used for sketching songs in my writing room (as I said I have an Uber PC system in my studio for running Cubase) but I would like to be able to edit 4K video. I hadn’t consider a second hand unit as I’m going to be putting this through my business so I’ll have to ask my accountant if it needs to be a new purchase. Thanks for the suggestion - I like the idea of saving money!
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 22, 2024 4:18:23 GMT -6
Macbook pro M1 max, i wouldn't spend a dime on a newer model unless you're processing 12k video, check out the attachment, i believe there are almost 240 plugin instances using liquid sonics, Fab filter stuff at maximum over sampling and maxed out linear phase mode, these things are unreal, and now you can get a M1 for a song View AttachmentImpressive. It’ll only be used for sketching songs in my writing room (as I said I have an Uber PC system in my studio for running Cubase) but I would like to be able to edit 4K video. I hadn’t consider a second hand unit as I’m going to be putting this through my business so I’ll have to ask my accountant if it needs to be a new purchase. Thanks for the suggestion - I like the idea of saving money! On this machine I edit multi streams of black magic raw 4K and 6k at 5:1 all day with no problems in resolve, same with pro res👍
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 22, 2024 4:27:37 GMT -6
Impressive. It’ll only be used for sketching songs in my writing room (as I said I have an Uber PC system in my studio for running Cubase) but I would like to be able to edit 4K video. I hadn’t consider a second hand unit as I’m going to be putting this through my business so I’ll have to ask my accountant if it needs to be a new purchase. Thanks for the suggestion - I like the idea of saving money! On this machine I edit multi streams of black magic raw 4K and 6k at 5:1 all day with no problems in resolve, same with pro res👍 Great! Thank you for the feedback.
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Post by Dan on Aug 22, 2024 7:14:55 GMT -6
I've been using macs for 30 years now. The latest mac laptops will last a minimum of 5 years, 7 is very realistic and 10 is not uncalled for, but software updates, etc., tend to outdate it by that time. For example, Macs look more like iPads in how they are built these days - "system on a board" - I have a 10 year old iPad still going strong, but won't run a lot of stuff because it can only run the OS up to a certain older version. Hardware is still fine. My wife uses her MBP 8-10 hours a day, 5 days a week and 5 years is very doable on hers. She wore the keypads on one MBP before we finally decided to replace it. I think you have little to worry about.... Thank you for that info - it's very helpful. One more question if that's ok I'll be using this new laptop as something mobile but mainly within my house as opposed to taking it out of the house (maybe occasionally) what happens to the battery if I'm running on the power adapter all the time? Do I have to make sure I run it on battery every now and then to keep the battery healthy - are modern batteries are a bit more forgiving these days? 5 years is far too long of an expected life expectancy. Get apple care for 3 years and anything after that, just trade it in if it breaks. It’s a write off. Do not get the super expensive MacBooks. Get a solid one with increased ram and at least 1-2tb internal storage, use external disks, and be prepared to buy a new one if it breaks to use if AppleCare fixes it. If getting a desktop, get a pimped out Mac mini, not an iMac or Mac Studio or Mac Pro. Overkill for audio but often a studio can be gotten for an equivalent pimped out mini wihr more stuff so just get that and don’t you dare pimp it out unless you need a ton of ram for sample libraries. Right now the best Mac speed wise for audio production is logic on the m4 iPad Pro but it only has logic and auv3 plugins
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Post by dok on Aug 22, 2024 12:07:05 GMT -6
Single CPU cores for audio GPU cores and RAM for video Storage space for when you run out of RAM
So basically as much of each as you can afford.
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 22, 2024 12:10:25 GMT -6
I've been using macs for 30 years now. The latest mac laptops will last a minimum of 5 years, 7 is very realistic and 10 is not uncalled for, but software updates, etc., tend to outdate it by that time. For example, Macs look more like iPads in how they are built these days - "system on a board" - I have a 10 year old iPad still going strong, but won't run a lot of stuff because it can only run the OS up to a certain older version. Hardware is still fine. My wife uses her MBP 8-10 hours a day, 5 days a week and 5 years is very doable on hers. She wore the keypads on one MBP before we finally decided to replace it. I think you have little to worry about.... Thank you for that info - it's very helpful. One more question if that's ok I'll be using this new laptop as something mobile but mainly within my house as opposed to taking it out of the house (maybe occasionally) what happens to the battery if I'm running on the power adapter all the time? Do I have to make sure I run it on battery every now and then to keep the battery healthy - are modern batteries are a bit more forgiving these days? Apple has some charging intelligence built into the mac so leaving it plugged in all the time won't harm the battery. The battery life is measured based on charging cycles which is tracked somewhere in the os or hardware. It is mostly a non concern. If you do run it on the battery, try to run it down as much as possible before plugging it back in. Typically, the computer won't be allowed to recharge the battery if the the charge is 80% or higher when plugged back in.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 22, 2024 12:18:01 GMT -6
Thank you for that info - it's very helpful. One more question if that's ok I'll be using this new laptop as something mobile but mainly within my house as opposed to taking it out of the house (maybe occasionally) what happens to the battery if I'm running on the power adapter all the time? Do I have to make sure I run it on battery every now and then to keep the battery healthy - are modern batteries are a bit more forgiving these days? Apple has some charging intelligence built into the mac so leaving it plugged in all the time won't harm the battery. The battery life is measured based on charging cycles which is tracked somewhere in the os or hardware. It is mostly a non concern. If you do run it on the battery, try to run it down as much as possible before plugging it back in. Typically, the computer won't be allowed to recharge the battery if the the charge is 80% or higher when plugged back in. Ok thanks, that helpful. I went into an Apple Store today to check out the laptops and the 16” is significantly nicer than the 14” - I think if I bought the 14” I’d have to plug it into an external sceen to run a DAW or edit video. The 16” I could work on without an external screen if I didn’t have one to hand. Another step up in cost of course!
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Post by ericn on Aug 22, 2024 16:36:28 GMT -6
Apple has some charging intelligence built into the mac so leaving it plugged in all the time won't harm the battery. The battery life is measured based on charging cycles which is tracked somewhere in the os or hardware. It is mostly a non concern. If you do run it on the battery, try to run it down as much as possible before plugging it back in. Typically, the computer won't be allowed to recharge the battery if the the charge is 80% or higher when plugged back in. Ok thanks, that helpful. I went into an Apple Store today to check out the laptops and the 16” is significantly nicer than the 14” - I think if I bought the 14” I’d have to plug it into an external sceen to run a DAW or edit video. The 16” I could work on without an external screen if I didn’t have one to hand. Another step up in cost of course! Yeah the 14 is really all about mobility, since you said it’s just going to move around the house the 16 is better for video. You really want as much memory as you can afford since you can’t upgrade memory or internal HD, this is what has kept me from buying Apple Silicon even used they know the smaller memory is useless so they Kill you in the price of 32GB plus! For video you’re probably going to find a bigger monitor to be a great long term investment, but you don’t need one to get going. Everybody I know who is running Resolve Devinci on Apple Silicon is a happy camper, just remember if you want the full blown version, the best way to buy it is with one of the controllers.
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Post by dok on Aug 22, 2024 18:58:58 GMT -6
If you do run it on the battery, try to run it down as much as possible before plugging it back in. Typically, the computer won't be allowed to recharge the battery if the the charge is 80% or higher when plugged back in. Respectfully, the former practice has not necessary for since cordless home phones were a thing (those were nickel-based batteries - it's actually bad for a lithium-ion battery to fully discharge) and the latter isn't accurate. It will charge just fine to full capacity over 80%. Depending on your device, you may be able to set controls to limit charging over 80% to prolong battery life, but that just means you're starting out with a battery that has 20% less capacity, and what's the point of that, really? Source: I'm a Mac admin.
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 22, 2024 19:44:49 GMT -6
If you do run it on the battery, try to run it down as much as possible before plugging it back in. Typically, the computer won't be allowed to recharge the battery if the the charge is 80% or higher when plugged back in. Respectfully, the former practice has not necessary for since cordless home phones were a thing (those were nickel-based batteries - it's actually bad for a lithium-ion battery to fully discharge) and the latter isn't accurate. It will charge just fine to full capacity over 80%. Depending on your device, you may be able to set controls to limit charging over 80% to prolong battery life, but that just means you're starting out with a battery that has 20% less capacity, and what's the point of that, really? Source: I'm a Mac admin. I don't know, I'm no battery ninja, but I've seen the OS hold my MBP at 80% while on power for extended periods of time. But I think my point was, as well as yours, "it's a non issue." Here is the blurb from Apple's website about battery management: Automatic battery health management. To reduce battery aging, built-in software and hardware systems are included to manage charging patterns and battery temperature. Optimized Battery Charging and Optimized Charge Limit adapt to your daily usage and preserve your battery lifespan over time. Optimized Battery Charging is available on all platforms as of iOS 13, watchOS 7, and macOS Big Sur. Based on your daily charging routine, it may automatically defer charging to 100% until shortly before you need to use the battery. Apple Watch Ultra can further reduce time spent at high states of charge by learning when to charge to an Optimized Charge Limit and when to allow for a full charge. Charging may pause temporarily while in extreme temperature conditions, and will resume once the battery’s temperature returns to its normal operating range. Starting in iOS 16, you may see a notification appear on the lock screen when charging has paused for this reason. Starting in iOS 16 and watchOS 9, paused charging information is also available in Settings > Battery. Source: A large hollow space above my shoulders.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 23, 2024 1:34:47 GMT -6
Guys, I presume if o go the new route and buy a 16” Mac Pro that the Apple Care warranty is a must have purchase?
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 23, 2024 5:00:05 GMT -6
Guys, I presume if o go the new route and buy a 16” Mac Pro that the Apple Care warranty is a must have purchase? I wouldn't say must have unless the computer is mission critical, and even then, you may not need it, but it would be there. My experience is that the flat rate repair is around $600 - did that once for an MBP with a logic board failure after 5 years and another time for a bloated battery, which was mostly covered at around 3+ years. You can find pricing for AppleCare here: www.apple.com/support/products/mac/For me personally, its a toss-up. If the machine makes me money, absolutely. If it doesn't, then from my own personal experience, I myself would not because of cost, but I am willing to take the chance, which I perceive as low risk.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 23, 2024 6:10:07 GMT -6
Guys, I presume if o go the new route and buy a 16” Mac Pro that the Apple Care warranty is a must have purchase? I wouldn't say must have unless the computer is mission critical, and even then, you may not need it, but it would be there. My experience is that the flat rate repair is around $600 - did that once for an MBP with a logic board failure after 5 years and another time for a bloated battery, which was mostly covered at around 3+ years. You can find pricing for AppleCare here: www.apple.com/support/products/mac/For me personally, its a toss-up. If the machine makes me money, absolutely. If it doesn't, then from my own personal experience, I myself would not because of cost, but I am willing to take the chance, which I perceive as low risk. OK - thanks, makes sense.
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Post by dok on Aug 23, 2024 9:40:09 GMT -6
One nice thing about AppleCare is that you have a year from the original date of purchase in order to buy it, and it can be extended beyond the original three-year mark now, and you can also pay for it on a monthly basis if you don't like the up-front cost. To me it's worth every penny.
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 23, 2024 9:49:32 GMT -6
One nice thing about AppleCare is that you have a year from the original date of purchase in order to buy it, and it can be extended beyond the original three-year mark now, and you can also pay for it on a monthly basis if you don't like the up-front cost. To me it's worth every penny. I didn't know that, that would help spread the cost a bit. Thanks
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