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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 23, 2024 6:34:44 GMT -6
Uad has released. Atr102 native and spark
39$ release sale
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2024 7:13:18 GMT -6
Positives:
Added autogain
Lower latency than DSP
Negatives:
Got rid of adjustable wow and flutter
Got rid of tape delay
Got rid of DSP version presets
Can't swap back and forth between DSP and native versions
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 23, 2024 7:14:39 GMT -6
Uad has released. Atr102 native and spark 39$ release sale So this is now free with my Spark sub? This was an expensive plugin at one time - glad I never bought it. |
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Post by andersmv on Jul 23, 2024 7:40:51 GMT -6
Positives: Added autogain Lower latency than DSP Negatives: Got rid of adjustable wow and flutter Got rid of tape delay Got rid of DSP version presets Can't swap back and forth between DSP and native versions (-EDIT- I confirmed with UA on the UAD forum that the DSP version of the plugin is staying the same. I figured they wouldn't do something stupid like that, but just wanted to make sure. This isn't a big deal to me, especially if they're moving towards making all the native version low enough to where you can track with them in low latency with the right interface...) Oh God, really? Is the Native version of the plugin a little different than the DSP one? Am I going to loose those features when I update to the new version? I'm literally in the middle of a few mixes we'll probably slowly do revisions on over the next month, and I've got the ATR doing delay on the vocals on most of the songs. It's going to suck if they just got rid of all of that... |
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Post by ragan on Jul 23, 2024 8:08:45 GMT -6
That will be really dumb if they messed it up for native. Especially ditching the delay.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 23, 2024 8:26:00 GMT -6
Uad has released. Atr102 native and spark 39$ release sale So this is now free with my Spark sub? This was an expensive plugin at one time - glad I never bought it. Ugh. Tape delay is why I was excited about this! |
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 23, 2024 8:51:39 GMT -6
Uad has released. Atr102 native and spark 39$ release sale So this is now free with my Spark sub? This was an expensive plugin at one time - glad I never bought it. Thought I read it wouldn’t hit Spark till Wednesday |
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Post by chessparov on Jul 23, 2024 9:02:04 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me.  I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris |
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Post by andersmv on Jul 23, 2024 9:04:48 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me. I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. |
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Post by notneeson on Jul 23, 2024 9:12:07 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me. I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. Interesting choice, for me the delay portion is the only bit I’d even have considered tracking through (if I was doing a tempo synced guitar thing, or wanted some vocal sauce). I’d never track through a saturation plugin, occluding the actual sound capture. But that’s me. |
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Post by bossanova on Jul 23, 2024 9:35:12 GMT -6
They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. Interesting choice, for me the delay portion is the only bit I’d even have considered tracking through (if I was doing a tempo synced guitar thing, or wanted some vocal sauce). I’d never track through a saturation plugin, occluding the actual sound capture. But that’s me. Same here. I don't get it. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2024 9:37:38 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me. I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. The thing is, who had been previously requesting to track thru the Ampex? It's a mixdown machine. I mean, I'm sure somebody was, but I would argue that the vast majority of people were just simply wanting native access to the Ampex plugin for mixdown, and not with features removed from it or otherwise changed. People certainly liked to use it for delay too, but even with lower latency now, you couldn't track thru it for delay purposes because they've taken the delay away. It's funny too because, when UA released the Studer extension for Luna, they were asked about tracking latency, workflow, etc., and Drew tried to explain it away by saying that you wouldn't be monitoring thru the actual tape when tracking, so that's why the Studer extension in Luna only activates during playback, and not while recording. But, now, all of a sudden, UA has decided that there is a need to low latency track thru a mixdown machine (Ampex)?!? UA will conjure up whatever mental gymnastics they need to support any business decision they make, indefensible as it may be to the customer. With the native Ampex, they'll tell you they got rid of the wow and flutter and tape delay so that they could lower the latency for tracking thru it. But the real reason seems apparent enough. They want to keep the DSP version premium. And that's fine. I just wish they wouldn't gaslight people with bullshit excuses to disguise the real reason they do things. They do this sort of thing all the time now. |
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Post by andersmv on Jul 23, 2024 9:38:07 GMT -6
They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. Interesting choice, for me the delay portion is the only bit I’d even have considered tracking through (if I was doing a tempo synced guitar thing, or wanted some vocal sauce). I’d never track through a saturation plugin, occluding the actual sound capture. But that’s me. You can't really "track" through the ATR in the Apollo either, it's one of a handful of plugins that has too much delay. But I guess if you're just using the ATR as a delay plugin, you could set it up and track inside the Apollo with settings tuned in with the offset you're hearing. I've never bothered trying as using the ATR inside the Apollo for tracking was always considered a no no... |
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Post by andersmv on Jul 23, 2024 9:42:57 GMT -6
They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. The thing is, who had been previously requesting to track thru the Ampex? It's a mixdown machine. I mean, I'm sure somebody was, but I would argue that the vast majority of people were just simply wanting native access to the Ampex plugin for mixdown, and not with changes made to it. People certainly liked to use it for delay too. I agree, I've never wanted to track with it. I've literally only had it on my master bus during mixing and occasionally the delay aspect (I don't use the delay a lot, but a friend of mine does it a lot on vocals and I end up mixing everything). Those features were missing on the "Luna" lite version of the ATR as well, so I'm guessing they finally got around to just porting that one out. Bigger picture, probably not the end of the world for me at least. I'm not too worried about offloading the DSP on that ATR, I'm usually using it on smaller sessions that are more folky/acoustic with a small track count. I'm also using some pretty clean presets I've got saved most of the time, not sure if I ever fiddled with wow and flutter that much. |
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2024 9:50:16 GMT -6
The thing is, who had been previously requesting to track thru the Ampex? It's a mixdown machine. I mean, I'm sure somebody was, but I would argue that the vast majority of people were just simply wanting native access to the Ampex plugin for mixdown, and not with changes made to it. People certainly liked to use it for delay too. I agree, I've never wanted to track with it. I've literally only had it on my master bus during mixing and occasionally the delay aspect (I don't use the delay a lot, but a friend of mine does it a lot on vocals and I end up mixing everything). Those features were missing on the "Luna" lite version of the ATR as well, so I'm guessing they finally got around to just porting that one out. Bigger picture, probably not the end of the world for me at least. I'm not too worried about offloading the DSP on that ATR, I'm usually using it on smaller sessions that are more folky/acoustic with a small track count. I'm also using some pretty clean presets I've got saved most of the time, not sure if I ever fiddled with wow and flutter that much. Yeah, I'll just keep on using the DSP version, I guess. I wanted to be able to offload this to native though. But I guess that's not happening, at least not if I want to use any of the "premium" features. |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 23, 2024 10:04:21 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me. I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris There are a TON of tape delay plugins, and Echoboy and Echoboy Jr both have tape settings They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. The thing is, who had been previously requesting to track thru the Ampex? It's a mixdown machine. I mean, I'm sure somebody was, but I would argue that the vast majority of people were just simply wanting native access to the Ampex plugin for mixdown, and not with changes made to it. People certainly liked to use it for delay too, but even with lower latency now, you couldn't track thru it for delay purposes because they've taken the delay away. I think the electronics of the ATR 102 are similar, if not exactly the same as the ATR124 which was a multitrack machine. So that may be why people would want to use the plugin to track through in Apollo world. Just a thought. Though I think you're right that most people see the plugin and think "mixdown." |
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2024 10:11:11 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me. I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris There are a TON of tape delay plugins, and Echoboy and Echoboy Jr both have tape settings The thing is, who had been previously requesting to track thru the Ampex? It's a mixdown machine. I mean, I'm sure somebody was, but I would argue that the vast majority of people were just simply wanting native access to the Ampex plugin for mixdown, and not with changes made to it. People certainly liked to use it for delay too, but even with lower latency now, you couldn't track thru it for delay purposes because they've taken the delay away. I think the electronics of the ATR 102 are similar, if not exactly the same as the ATR124 which was a multitrack machine. So that may be why people would want to use the plugin to track through in Apollo world. Just a thought. Though I think you're right that most people see the plugin and think "mixdown." Yeah, I'm not saying that there is no one who might not choose to track thru the Ampex, now that the native version has lower latency. I'm just saying that this wasn't really ever something that any large contingent of customers were asking for. What people WERE asking for was a 1:1 port of the DSP to native. I think UA has invented this "need" for low latency tracking thru a mixdown machine to provide cover for the real reason they took away features on the native version. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2024 10:24:58 GMT -6
Uad has released. Atr102 native and spark 39$ release sale Maybe this isn't mature, but I'm a little salty over buying these for 10 times the price. I've lost some love. |
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Post by Dan on Jul 23, 2024 11:12:35 GMT -6
The thing is, who had been previously requesting to track thru the Ampex? It's a mixdown machine. I mean, I'm sure somebody was, but I would argue that the vast majority of people were just simply wanting native access to the Ampex plugin for mixdown, and not with changes made to it. People certainly liked to use it for delay too. I agree, I've never wanted to track with it. I've literally only had it on my master bus during mixing and occasionally the delay aspect (I don't use the delay a lot, but a friend of mine does it a lot on vocals and I end up mixing everything). Those features were missing on the "Luna" lite version of the ATR as well, so I'm guessing they finally got around to just porting that one out. Bigger picture, probably not the end of the world for me at least. I'm not too worried about offloading the DSP on that ATR, I'm usually using it on smaller sessions that are more folky/acoustic with a small track count. I'm also using some pretty clean presets I've got saved most of the time, not sure if I ever fiddled with wow and flutter that much. yeah it seems like they just ported out the Luna version. I’m about to demo. If you need a tape machine type delay, you can always try U-he Satin |
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Post by andersmv on Jul 23, 2024 11:35:19 GMT -6
In the UAD world, there's the Echoplex. That's pretty much the only thing I use when I want a bit of delay on vocals. If I need it to be a little more stereo, I follow it with the SoundToys MicroShift plugin to do the fake doubling thing. The wet/dry mix basically controls how "wide" it is. I still havn't found anything better all these years later, that combo just does "it" for me.
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2024 11:44:13 GMT -6
In the UAD world, there's the Echoplex. That's pretty much the only thing I use when I want a bit of delay on vocals. If I need it to be a little more stereo, I follow it with the SoundToys MicroShift plugin to do the fake doubling thing. The wet/dry mix basically controls how "wide" it is. I still havn't found anything better all these years later, that combo just does "it" for me. Are you running both the L and R out of the echoplex into the micro shift, or just one side? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 23, 2024 12:13:12 GMT -6
Positives: Added autogain Lower latency than DSP Negatives: Got rid of adjustable wow and flutter Got rid of tape delay Got rid of DSP version presets Can't swap back and forth between DSP and native versions That, sux!  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 23, 2024 12:14:34 GMT -6
Uad has released. Atr102 native and spark 39$ release sale Maybe this isn't mature, but I'm a little salty over buying these for 10 times the price. I've lost some love. I feel your pain ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 23, 2024 12:18:17 GMT -6
If MJB swears by it... (More than) Good enough for me. I do hope they eventually add the Delay back too. Grasshopper asks wouldn't a separate Delay be close enough? (Puts Flame Suit on) Chris They're not going to add delay or any of that into the Native version. They had to cut things in order to get the latency low enough for people to track with the native one live in their DAW. Who cares about tracking with it: bonehead move, it was excellent on 2 bus. Typical, ua customer manipulation, dumb it down make it native, but if you want all features need UAD-2 and sharc card. |
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Post by andersmv on Jul 23, 2024 12:18:50 GMT -6
In the UAD world, there's the Echoplex. That's pretty much the only thing I use when I want a bit of delay on vocals. If I need it to be a little more stereo, I follow it with the SoundToys MicroShift plugin to do the fake doubling thing. The wet/dry mix basically controls how "wide" it is. I still havn't found anything better all these years later, that combo just does "it" for me. Are you running both the L and R out of the echoplex into the micro shift, or just one side? It depends, but usually both. It's never sounded wide enough on its own in stereo, at that point I would rather just run it mono. I did the same thing when I had my analogue Fulltone Tube Tape Echo on mixes. I usually don't like mono delays on vocals, so I grabbed a TC Electronics Mimiq pedal that does a fake doubler sound (which by the way, the Mimiq is still the best doubler I've found. I wish they would make a plugin version of it). I ran a mono AUX off my console to the Tape Echo, Tape Echo into the Mimiq to "fake" it into stereo, and came back in a recorded a wet stereo channel for effects. You would never know it was only a mono tape machine, sounded just like two different units set to slightly different settings. |
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