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Post by bluesholyman on Jul 11, 2024 12:22:29 GMT -6
It's just a Mitchell brand guitar, but it proves that name and price doesn't mean nearly as much as finding the *right* guitar for you and your needs. Yeah, I've heard/played many so-so expensive guitars and played a few great inexpensive guitars. I love the inexpensive treasures. |
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Post by svart on Jul 11, 2024 12:26:16 GMT -6
It's just a Mitchell brand guitar, but it proves that name and price doesn't mean nearly as much as finding the *right* guitar for you and your needs. Yeah, I've heard/played many so-so expensive guitars and played a few great inexpensive guitars. I love the inexpensive treasures. The variability was eye-opening. Even amongst higher priced guitars, you could play 3 of the same model and each one would be slightly different. We ended up doing the same thing for telecasters and honestly it was so variable it was crazy. I ended up finding a MIM squire tele that felt and played better than even the $$$ american fenders. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 12:49:33 GMT -6
I'm about to start building tracks for a tune using Superior Drummer. I'll report back...lets see how it goes.
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Post by wiz on Jul 11, 2024 15:41:38 GMT -6
I own superior and ez drummer …… I basically just use Ez drummer now. I play in my parts on a Roland td17 and edit them in ezdrummer . I use Luna. all the tunes on my music page are done this way I have a few expansion packs www.peterknightmusician.comcheers Wiz |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 11, 2024 15:49:58 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2024 16:02:50 GMT -6
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Post by drumsound on Jul 11, 2024 17:16:42 GMT -6
I currently don't have the know how. I assume there's a way. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 11, 2024 21:30:26 GMT -6
This is completely dependent on the style of music. A lot of indie rock is real drums that are (inexplicably) mixed and even performed to sound like fake drums.
SD will sound great on that stuff.
But if drum feel is part of your song's DNA, it'll never sound right. And the more "right" it sounds, the more it gets into uncanny valley territory in my experience.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 11, 2024 22:06:01 GMT -6
I currently don't have the know how. I assume there's a way. I'll get my guy on this, seriously. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2024 7:38:43 GMT -6
I currently don't have the know how. I assume there's a way. I don’t really know anyone doing it…would be cool, though. |
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Post by doubledog on Jul 12, 2024 8:48:22 GMT -6
I was going to suggest "real" drums as well. I've replaced a lot of programmed drums, from drum machines (many that don't even keep a steady beat - Boss or Roland I think...) to programmed stuff that people spent a lot of time on, only to still want real drums (which almost always turned out better, even when copying a programmed part).
Pro Tools added a feature in the last year or 2 where it can take any audio track and create MIDI from it. Slate Trigger can do it too. So yeah, I can send MIDI (but I have to charge a little more for the extra time to do it) or you if you use recent PT, you can do it yourself.
But in most cases, if you want to supplement with samples, then you'll be happier with something like Slate Trigger (or similar) - just don't "replace" the drums. That always sounds like shit. And if you are wanting MIDI so you can quantize it and use samples, then why even bother? Use loops or just program it. If you want the feel of a real drummer then use the real drummer.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2024 9:07:36 GMT -6
I was going to suggest "real" drums as well. I've replaced a lot of programmed drums, from drum machines (many that don't even keep a steady beat - Boss or Roland I think...) to programmed stuff that people spent a lot of time on, only to still want real drums (which almost always turned out better, even when copying a programmed part). Pro Tools added a feature in the last year or 2 where it can take any audio track and create MIDI from it. Slate Trigger can do it too. So yeah, I can send MIDI (but I have to charge a little more for the extra time to do it) or you if you use recent PT, you can do it yourself. But in most cases, if you want to supplement with samples, then you'll be happier with something like Slate Trigger (or similar) - just don't "replace" the drums. That always sounds like shit. And if you are wanting MIDI so you can quantize it and use samples, then why even bother? Use loops or just program it. If you want the feel of a real drummer then use the real drummer. Yeah...I wouldn't trust Pro Tools to even get 10% of that right. |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 12, 2024 9:39:12 GMT -6
I currently don't have the know how. I assume there's a way. I don’t really know anyone doing it…would be cool, though. Apparently Melodyne can do this, now I just have to learn how. I was going to suggest "real" drums as well. I've replaced a lot of programmed drums, from drum machines (many that don't even keep a steady beat - Boss or Roland I think...) to programmed stuff that people spent a lot of time on, only to still want real drums (which almost always turned out better, even when copying a programmed part). Pro Tools added a feature in the last year or 2 where it can take any audio track and create MIDI from it. Slate Trigger can do it too. So yeah, I can send MIDI (but I have to charge a little more for the extra time to do it) or you if you use recent PT, you can do it yourself. But in most cases, if you want to supplement with samples, then you'll be happier with something like Slate Trigger (or similar) - just don't "replace" the drums. That always sounds like shit. And if you are wanting MIDI so you can quantize it and use samples, then why even bother? Use loops or just program it. If you want the feel of a real drummer then use the real drummer. I'll have to see if my version has that. Is there a menu or something? I was going to suggest "real" drums as well. I've replaced a lot of programmed drums, from drum machines (many that don't even keep a steady beat - Boss or Roland I think...) to programmed stuff that people spent a lot of time on, only to still want real drums (which almost always turned out better, even when copying a programmed part). Pro Tools added a feature in the last year or 2 where it can take any audio track and create MIDI from it. Slate Trigger can do it too. So yeah, I can send MIDI (but I have to charge a little more for the extra time to do it) or you if you use recent PT, you can do it yourself. But in most cases, if you want to supplement with samples, then you'll be happier with something like Slate Trigger (or similar) - just don't "replace" the drums. That always sounds like shit. And if you are wanting MIDI so you can quantize it and use samples, then why even bother? Use loops or just program it. If you want the feel of a real drummer then use the real drummer. Yeah...I wouldn't trust Pro Tools to even get 10% of that right. Hahahahah |
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Post by drbill on Jul 12, 2024 10:08:43 GMT -6
It's just a Mitchell brand guitar, but it proves that name and price doesn't mean nearly as much as finding the *right* guitar for you and your needs. I bought a Mitchell small body parlor size (000-18 size) guitar from a local "wanna be" luthier. He had worked on it and brought it back to life after some abuse. I bought it for $105 and I love that guitar. Hangs with the vintage (69 & 70) Martins. Stays in tune as well or better than the Martins. Plays as well or better than the Martins. I have it high strung, so it's not a 1:1 comparison, but dayum....best guitar buy I ever made. I don't think they (Mitchell's) are ALL that good, but some certainly are. Congrats on your find! |
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Post by ragan on Jul 12, 2024 10:23:06 GMT -6
I’ve lost the plot on what we’re trying to achieve here? Just MIDI from real drums?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 12, 2024 10:27:08 GMT -6
I don’t really know anyone doing it…would be cool, though. Apparently Melodyne can do this, now I just have to learn how. I was going to suggest "real" drums as well. I've replaced a lot of programmed drums, from drum machines (many that don't even keep a steady beat - Boss or Roland I think...) to programmed stuff that people spent a lot of time on, only to still want real drums (which almost always turned out better, even when copying a programmed part). Pro Tools added a feature in the last year or 2 where it can take any audio track and create MIDI from it. Slate Trigger can do it too. So yeah, I can send MIDI (but I have to charge a little more for the extra time to do it) or you if you use recent PT, you can do it yourself. But in most cases, if you want to supplement with samples, then you'll be happier with something like Slate Trigger (or similar) - just don't "replace" the drums. That always sounds like shit. And if you are wanting MIDI so you can quantize it and use samples, then why even bother? Use loops or just program it. If you want the feel of a real drummer then use the real drummer. I'll have to see if my version has that. Is there a menu or something? Yeah...I wouldn't trust Pro Tools to even get 10% of that right. Hahahahah It's pretty easy with Melodyne and Studio One. You map the part as a Percussion part in Melodyne and then just drag and drop it to a new track. The key is to manipulate the Melodyne sensitivity before the conversion. I'd say it works marginally well but you still need to hand tune the MIDI part. This is how I supplement drum parts with samples (which I rarely do) now and it's a whole lot faster than the old way, even with the hand tuning. |
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Post by ragan on Jul 12, 2024 10:34:52 GMT -6
Did we already talk about how you can do this within Superior Drummer? That’s why I do.
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Post by tkaitkai on Jul 12, 2024 10:46:21 GMT -6
As far as comprehensive, all-in-one packages go, it's really hard to beat Superior.
There are some really amazing sample packs that I definitely prefer to SD sonically, but if you go that route, be prepared to potentially buy dozens of different packs and plugins (i.e. Kontakt, etc) to cover a wide variety of sounds. And the options/temptations are pretty much endless.
Up to you to decide if that's worth it. Personally, I don't mind building my own kits from scratch using something like Battery — or even just throwing samples in the DAW timeline if I'm feeling extra lazy.
I will also say that I think a lot of the SD expansions have a very slight "sameness" to them and I'm not sure why. Like somehow it always sounds like SD to me, even if they're intended to be very different sounds. Maybe I'm imagining it.
But yeah, if you just want to pull up a plugin and instantly have studio drums with a very straightforward UI and options to expand, SD is the way to go.
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2024 10:56:52 GMT -6
It's just a Mitchell brand guitar, but it proves that name and price doesn't mean nearly as much as finding the *right* guitar for you and your needs. I bought a Mitchell small body parlor size (000-18 size) guitar from a local "wanna be" luthier. He had worked on it and brought it back to life after some abuse. I bought it for $105 and I love that guitar. Hangs with the vintage (69 & 70) Martins. Stays in tune as well or better than the Martins. Plays as well or better than the Martins. I have it high strung, so it's not a 1:1 comparison, but dayum....best guitar buy I ever made. I don't think they (Mitchell's) are ALL that good, but some certainly are. Congrats on your find! They aren't. This one was one of their first "higher end" models. A few years later a guy at work wanted a guitar so I went to GC to pick up another Mitchell (I guess GC and Mitchell are somehow related now) and I played about 10 of their cheapest model and they weren't nearly as nice, but I did find one of the bunch that was decent enough for the 100$ or whatever it cost. It's still all about playing all of them you can find to find The One. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2024 11:39:59 GMT -6
I’ve lost the plot on what we’re trying to achieve here? Just MIDI from real drums? Yeah...it would have to be triggers or a fake set. Not sure how you do a trigger on an acoustic cymbal? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2024 11:40:56 GMT -6
Did we already talk about how you can do this within Superior Drummer? That’s why I do. Oh yeah...DUH. That's right, Tracker. Does it work with cymbals? Off to try. |
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Post by ragan on Jul 12, 2024 12:28:47 GMT -6
Did we already talk about how you can do this within Superior Drummer? That’s why I do. Oh yeah...DUH. That's right, Tracker. Does it work with cymbals? Off to try. I've used it on hi-hats. It works, but takes some manual tweaking to get it right. Never tried it on crash or ride cymbals, which I don't have individually mic'd. I bet it would work, but i don't love the way SD3 cymbals sound anyway so I haven't put effort into it. Though, I'm usually just using SD3 for room decay, and I bet you could do cool stuff with cymbals in that way. I usually dramatically kill the attack in the samples, so I'm just getting decay, and leave the impact/fundamental tone to the real drums I've tracked. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2024 12:34:18 GMT -6
I've considered buying some Hi Hats and cymbals just to play that stuff myself...but alas, that is a pain in the ass.
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Post by ragan on Jul 12, 2024 12:36:21 GMT -6
That’s true. But I’ve yet to find a way to get drum sounds I like that isn’t, one way or another, a pain in the ass. Gotta enjoy the process, I guess. Which I do!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 12, 2024 12:41:51 GMT -6
That’s true. But I’ve yet to find a way to get drum sounds I like that isn’t, one way or another, a pain in the ass. Gotta enjoy the process, I guess. Which I do! It's really the only instrument I've never attempted to be remedial at...I've just never had a set where I could sit and suck at to get better. One day when the ship comes in, I'm buying a real set and going down that road. Or not. Porbably just need to hire people that know what they're doing lol. |
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