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Post by nobtwiddler on Jun 17, 2024 18:41:49 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of using one mic on the kick, (the less the better)
As of late, depending on what's in front, it's either
Original AKG D-25
Original AKG D-30
Original AKG D-12
Reissue AKG D-12VR,
and if need be, a Fet 47, added in front, but I gotta admit, I rarely need t
With all the other open mic's as well as the room mis, no need for extra stuff!
That said,
I also have a Yamaha Subkick, and a Kicktone,...but hardly ever need to use them.
Way back when I also purchased what was the latest and greatest at the time for kick mic'ing, and sadly hardly ever use now.
2 x ElectroVoice RE20's,
2 x Audix D6's,
4 x AKG D112's,
6 x Sennheiser 421's,
2 x Beyer TGX 380's,
The old school stuff, just works, with a bit of EQ' we're good to go!
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Post by mcirish on Jun 17, 2024 18:54:43 GMT -6
Heads make a difference. I have an EMAD on the batter side, tuned to just above a wrinkle. Reso head is also an Evans but I don't remember the model. It's coated white head with a hole.
Inside kick is an ATM25
Outside is an AT4047
Five feet out is an R84
I used a Beta 52a for years on the inside. But lately, I want something a bit less preEQd. If I was doing harder rock, I'd use the Beta 52a again. But for the Americana stuff I normally work on, the ATM25 is better.
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Post by okcrecording on Jun 17, 2024 19:17:36 GMT -6
Mostly using a an Audix d6 inside with an avantone subkick clone or an Advanced Audio 47 outside.
For rock I like the subkick as you can add lower frequencies if needed. I always high and low pass to tune it to the kick drum and the song. But, sometimes it's a bit too much and I need something gentler.
I also have the sennheiser and never use it as it doesnt give me the punch I want. Of course, this might not be a problem with jazz.
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Post by antipodesjosh on Jun 17, 2024 19:52:39 GMT -6
I use the Beyerdynamic TG D70 in the port and TG D71 boundary mic on the floor of the shell.
I like the basic M88-ish tone of the D70, and no risk of blowing it up. The D71 sounds nicer than the Shure or Sennheiser to my ear. It’s fine in its own if someone kicks over the outside mic stand, and it’s tiny so fits in small ports.
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 17, 2024 20:07:43 GMT -6
Ack I hate the D6. Makes every kick sound the same…boom + click. No tone at all. 16x22 birch? 14-24 maple? 18 bop? All sound the same via D6. For metal records it’s awesome: instant sample sound. For anything else, it’s generic and bland. An outside kick mic can fill in the tonal details, but usually the D6 tone is just too pervasive.
#danofmics 😂
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 17, 2024 20:11:42 GMT -6
My goal is to snap the heads off band members with my Rock kick drum sound! If they get a concussion from the kick drum sound my work is done! 😆
Sorry, couldn’t help it!
Sometimes
Beta 91 in/and LDC outside, or just a large dynamic mic just inside the opening of the outside skin pointing just right of the beater.
Heads, tuning, and room makes a difference!
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Post by doubledog on Jun 17, 2024 20:24:14 GMT -6
absolutely. I like the Remo powerstroke 3 or the Evans Emad (1 vs the II). I absolutely hate the superkick and it took me awhile to realize this - I actually sold a kit thinking I did not like it but later realized I should have tried other bass drum heads (dummy). wish I still had that kit...  |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 17, 2024 20:28:31 GMT -6
absolutely. I like the Remo powerstroke 3 or the Evans Emad (1 vs the II). I absolutely hate the superkick and it took me awhile to realize this - I actually sold a kit thinking I did not like it but later realized I should have tried other bass drum heads (dummy). wish I still had that kit... Ouch! Ugh! |
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Post by doubledog on Jun 17, 2024 20:30:27 GMT -6
absolutely. I like the Remo powerstroke 3 or the Evans Emad (1 vs the II). I absolutely hate the superkick and it took me awhile to realize this - I actually sold a kit thinking I did not like it but later realized I should have tried other bass drum heads (dummy). wish I still had that kit... Ouch! Ugh! well, I can only speculate since I never did try it... I'll pretend it was just a bad drum. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 21:00:22 GMT -6
Hey all, I've been thinking about inside Bass Drum (I hate KICK) a lot lately. Beside messing with the drum, it's tuning, and muffling, I've been thinking I might need to either change my mic out (I've been using a Sennheiser e602II 95% of the time) or even my positioning and strategy. I've had decent luck putting it just beyond the hole and about halfway in. Each time I move it around I thinks it's better than the last, but I still feel like I'm not all the way there. I like to compress and spend some time with attack and release to get the enevelope as I desire, and more lately, I've gone kind of extreme with hi-mid EQ to get attack the punches through the guitars. I still end up using a UAD SSL preset I made which isn't subtle. I've been lucky to have a friends FET47 for about a year, and I totally get why it's such a standard as an outside mic. It doesn't sound amazing on it's own, but with the inside mic, you start pulling up the fader and it may as well just be called "THE ENHANCER." Alternate to that is a Tape Op message board (TOMB) group by ribbon placed over the shell. So, lets have it folks. What mics are you using, where are you putting them and how are you processing them? Bass Drum! We got a true believer here! Lol |
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Post by sean on Jun 17, 2024 21:34:52 GMT -6
I have an original Sennheiser e602 that just works. Not too clicky but good attack, doesn’t sound like a basketball…its one of the few microphones I always bring with me because I really haven’t found anything else I like as much
Usually that’s all I use but sometimes I’ll throw something on the front head and the Beyerdynamic M380 is awesome for that. I’ve also used my AEA R44…both have a pretty extreme proximity effect that gives you SubKick like low end but with actual tone as well
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Post by phdamage on Jun 17, 2024 21:58:40 GMT -6
Inside it’s usually a Dr Alien Alien 8. I had an m380 that I bought new for years but sold a few years back when the prices started to jump. Kinda wish I had held onto it but don’t feel like I’m missing anything. there is that guy in Germany making clones that get good reviews but dunno if I wanna drop $600+ on it. Hell, I could grab a D12VR for less. Besides, pretty happy with the alien 8. Beyer D71C gets used for the clicky metal business sometimes.
Lawson 47FET outside tho I had great luck with a U195 for a. Good stretch and wouldn’t be sad to swap them if I had to.
To be honest, the biggest help for my kick sound was moving the damn sound hole of all of my reso heads to 3:00!! Makes positioning so much easier and I felt extra stupid not doing it sooner.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 17, 2024 22:23:40 GMT -6
Heads make a difference. I have an EMAD on the batter side, tuned to just above a wrinkle. Reso head is also an Evans but I don't remember the model. It's coated white head with a hole. Inside kick is an ATM25 Outside is an AT4047 Five feet out is an R84 I used a Beta 52a for years on the inside. But lately, I want something a bit less preEQd. If I was doing harder rock, I'd use the Beta 52a again. But for the Americana stuff I normally work on, the ATM25 is better. I should put my ATM25 in there. It's been a minute! Hey all, I've been thinking about inside Bass Drum (I hate KICK) a lot lately. Beside messing with the drum, it's tuning, and muffling, I've been thinking I might need to either change my mic out (I've been using a Sennheiser e602II 95% of the time) or even my positioning and strategy. I've had decent luck putting it just beyond the hole and about halfway in. Each time I move it around I thinks it's better than the last, but I still feel like I'm not all the way there. I like to compress and spend some time with attack and release to get the enevelope as I desire, and more lately, I've gone kind of extreme with hi-mid EQ to get attack the punches through the guitars. I still end up using a UAD SSL preset I made which isn't subtle. I've been lucky to have a friends FET47 for about a year, and I totally get why it's such a standard as an outside mic. It doesn't sound amazing on it's own, but with the inside mic, you start pulling up the fader and it may as well just be called "THE ENHANCER." Alternate to that is a Tape Op message board (TOMB) group by ribbon placed over the shell. So, lets have it folks. What mics are you using, where are you putting them and how are you processing them? Bass Drum! We got a true believer here! Lol  Inside it’s usually a Dr Alien Alien 8. I had an m380 that I bought new for years but sold a few years back when the prices started to jump. Kinda wish I had held onto it but don’t feel like I’m missing anything. there is that guy in Germany making clones that get good reviews but dunno if I wanna drop $600+ on it. Hell, I could grab a D12VR for less. Besides, pretty happy with the alien 8. Beyer D71C gets used for the clicky metal business sometimes. Lawson 47FET outside tho I had great luck with a U195 for a. Good stretch and wouldn’t be sad to swap them if I had to. To be honest, the biggest help for my kick sound was moving the damn sound hole of all of my reso heads to 3:00!! Makes positioning so much easier and I felt extra stupid not doing it sooner. I prefer the hole on the ride cymbal side, getting it further from the crash that is usually over there. I move it to 8 o'clock and use a short stand with a boom. |
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Post by knucklehead89 on Jun 17, 2024 22:26:23 GMT -6
Big and beefy, my go for most stuff
AKG D12-VR (halfway inside the port hole)
Chandler TG Mic outside
Or for faster tempo rock stuff
MD421 inside maybe 4-6”
Heiserman Type 19 outside
Heavy music I might add the Shure SM91 inside as well
Sometimes for a vibey track I may sub in a RE20 or for a different thing I may add a lav mix dangling over the bass drum pointed at the beater. The one I have distorts in a really cool way.
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Post by drsax on Jun 17, 2024 22:41:23 GMT -6
I own a lot of kick mics… and have used most of the usual suspects. My fav… the Audio Technica ATM25. That mic takes EQ SO well on inside kick. Don’t need anything else. Can shape the sound to whatever I want. It sounds a bit bland flat, but man does it sound sweet EQ’ed. Also kills on toms as well.
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Post by ragan on Jun 17, 2024 23:10:41 GMT -6
This actually prompted me to go listen to a bunch of kick drum (damn, sorry BASS drum) mic comparisons. I've been using a Beta52 at the resonant head hole (along with an LDC in front, usually an Oktava 319) for a couple of years. Before that I used a D112. Listening to clips, I kinda miss the D112. I think it and the Beta52 are the kick drum mics that sound the least blatantly EQ'd to me. I've used an RE20 before and I kind of liked it, but it was always a bit wimpy. I think mine might be kind of broken though. Anyway, I might pick up another D112 to have as an option. I've always liked them. Somewhat side topic, what reasonably priced 47FET-ish mics do people like?  |
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 18, 2024 0:03:13 GMT -6
This actually prompted me to go listen to a bunch of kick drum (damn, sorry BASS drum) mic comparisons. I've been using a Beta52 at the resonant head hole (along with an LDC in front, usually an Oktava 319) for a couple of years. Before that I used a D112. Listening to clips, I kinda miss the D112. I think it and the Beta52 are the kick drum mics that sound the least blatantly EQ'd to me. I've used an RE20 before and I kind of liked it, but it was always a bit wimpy. I think mine might be kind of broken though. Anyway, I might pick up another D112 to have as an option. I've always liked them. Somewhat side topic, what reasonably priced 47FET-ish mics do people like? Lawson 47 fet 👍🏽 It’s the only one I found that beats my soundelux ifet7 |
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Post by nomatic on Jun 18, 2024 4:59:14 GMT -6
Of late my favorite is the Milab BDM-01 inside and a Solomon LoFReQ or a Heiserman Type 19 outside.
Killin............
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Post by Dan on Jun 18, 2024 7:47:37 GMT -6
I own a lot of kick mics… and have used most of the usual suspects. My fav… the Audio Technica ATM25. That mic takes EQ SO well on inside kick. Don’t need anything else. Can shape the sound to whatever I want. It sounds a bit bland flat, but man does it sound sweet EQ’ed. Also kills on toms as well. The audio-technica dynamics and some of the condensers are underrated. mcirish at4047 is surprisingly good vocal mic |
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Post by mcirish on Jun 18, 2024 9:58:14 GMT -6
I've been thinking about picking up an ATM250DE; the dual capsule kick mic. Seems like a cool idea and used prices are not too bad.
Dan, I have used the AT4047 on vocals in the past. It doesn't have a lot of character but it does work and doesn't suck. Since putting it on the outside of the kick, it's just sort of stayed there for the last 4 years.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 18, 2024 10:35:18 GMT -6
This actually prompted me to go listen to a bunch of kick drum (damn, sorry BASS drum) mic comparisons. I've been using a Beta52 at the resonant head hole (along with an LDC in front, usually an Oktava 319) for a couple of years. Before that I used a D112. Listening to clips, I kinda miss the D112. I think it and the Beta52 are the kick drum mics that sound the least blatantly EQ'd to me. I've used an RE20 before and I kind of liked it, but it was always a bit wimpy. I think mine might be kind of broken though. Anyway, I might pick up another D112 to have as an option. I've always liked them. Somewhat side topic, what reasonably priced 47FET-ish mics do people like? AT 4047 when I had one was parked on outside BD |
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Post by Quint on Jun 18, 2024 10:47:03 GMT -6
In the AT4047 price range, what, if anything, is better for front of kick?
I've used one, but never owned one. I kind of always wanted to own one though.
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2024 10:54:46 GMT -6
I have nostalgia for the 4047. Never used it on kick though.
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Post by Quint on Jun 18, 2024 10:59:23 GMT -6
I have nostalgia for the 4047. Never used it on kick though. Same here. I always liked what it did to an acoustic guitar. Kinda chewy/woody/chunky. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2024 11:32:04 GMT -6
This actually prompted me to go listen to a bunch of kick drum (damn, sorry BASS drum) mic comparisons. I've been using a Beta52 at the resonant head hole (along with an LDC in front, usually an Oktava 319) for a couple of years. Before that I used a D112. Listening to clips, I kinda miss the D112. I think it and the Beta52 are the kick drum mics that sound the least blatantly EQ'd to me. I've used an RE20 before and I kind of liked it, but it was always a bit wimpy. I think mine might be kind of broken though. Anyway, I might pick up another D112 to have as an option. I've always liked them. Somewhat side topic, what reasonably priced 47FET-ish mics do people like? Honestly I bet the Warm is good for this. Plus if you break it at least it's not a very expensive one. |
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