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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 10:34:49 GMT -6
This is pretty badass if you ask me. So incredibly smart. I got an email about it - not sure there’s a link…
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Post by copperx on Jun 16, 2024 13:32:12 GMT -6
Audioscape is so considerate of their customers that I'm finding it almost immoral not to reserve a piece of my paycheck for them.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 16, 2024 19:03:52 GMT -6
Yeah. It’s got me thinking.
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Post by doubledog on Jun 16, 2024 20:03:56 GMT -6
so when do the older, used units go on sale?
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 16, 2024 21:14:59 GMT -6
so when do the older, used units go on sale? They already have. They'll go quick, but I imagine there will be a flow of them over time.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 21:21:28 GMT -6
What a brilliant idea. They will now control the new and majority of the used market for their products.
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Post by ericn on Jun 16, 2024 21:50:17 GMT -6
What a brilliant idea. They will now control the new and majority of the used market for their products. And have the opportunity to QC the used product, nothing worse than getting a bad name because a couple of guys bought a couple of abused used pieces and being very loud about their quality.
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Post by seawell on Jun 16, 2024 21:57:37 GMT -6
I love this move by AudioScape! Very cool.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 16, 2024 22:01:09 GMT -6
Other companies would be nuts not to do this too…but taxes…could you even imagine doing those taxes?
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 16, 2024 22:47:47 GMT -6
I haven't seen anything about this. But I like the idea. I even kept all my original boxes.
Edit. Found it. Very cool! Will see what I want to do about that...hmm.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 17, 2024 0:21:23 GMT -6
A great idea - from a great company.
And now an available in the UK …. Wow!
Mind you those UK prices - sigh - gotta love UK import/VAT!
Still, a great move by AS.
Just checked AS78 £1869 ($2,365) including VAT and delivery.
Available in UK for next day delivery …. what!! Wow!!
I wonder if they’ve changed their fabrication method and/or location?
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Post by ericn on Jun 17, 2024 5:47:32 GMT -6
Other companies would be nuts not to do this too…but taxes…could you even imagine doing those taxes? Other than having someone actually print it, QuickBooks and TurboTax should do most of the heavy lifting. The only piece of information you are going to need that the average seller doesn’t is SS#. Of course having customers SS#’s means upping your Internet security.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 8:53:58 GMT -6
Other companies would be nuts not to do this too…but taxes…could you even imagine doing those taxes? Other than having someone actually print it, QuickBooks and TurboTax should do most of the heavy lifting. The only piece of information you are going to need that the average seller doesn’t is SS#. Of course having customers SS#’s means upping your Internet security. Also - the current potatoes in DC want to tax the shit out of everyone for re-selling our gear to meet next months mortgage. But I mean $600 is untaxed - so you’ve got that going for you. ($600 total threshold for the year, that is) Just out of curiosity - how many times would a $1000 piece of equipment get taxed in this scenario? Is this really right? Once on the buyer for the sale, second on the seller for profit, third and fourth time on the trade-in transaction. Fifth and Sixth time are service fees for the transactions. Good to be the government…lots of payoffs to fund.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 17, 2024 9:16:29 GMT -6
Other than having someone actually print it, QuickBooks and TurboTax should do most of the heavy lifting. The only piece of information you are going to need that the average seller doesn’t is SS#. Of course having customers SS#’s means upping your Internet security. Also - the current potatoes in DC want to tax the shit out of everyone for re-selling our gear to meet next months mortgage. But I mean $600 is untaxed - so you’ve got that going for you. ($600 total threshold for the year, that is) Just out of curiosity - how many times would a $1000 piece of equipment get taxed in this scenario? Is this really right? Once on the buyer for the sale, second on the seller for profit, third and fourth time on the trade-in transaction. Fifth and Sixth time are service fees for the transactions. Good to be the government…lots of payoffs to fund. In quickly, out quickly before well, it turns to shit. 😂 Bombs ain”t cheap either. And we give them away.
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Post by drumsound on Jun 17, 2024 9:51:06 GMT -6
Where are the traded in products listed?
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Post by smashlord on Jun 17, 2024 10:16:39 GMT -6
Other than having someone actually print it, QuickBooks and TurboTax should do most of the heavy lifting. The only piece of information you are going to need that the average seller doesn’t is SS#. Of course having customers SS#’s means upping your Internet security. Also - the current potatoes in DC want to tax the shit out of everyone for re-selling our gear to meet next months mortgage. But I mean $600 is untaxed - so you’ve got that going for you. ($600 total threshold for the year, that is) Just out of curiosity - how many times would a $1000 piece of equipment get taxed in this scenario? Is this really right? Once on the buyer for the sale, second on the seller for profit, third and fourth time on the trade-in transaction. Fifth and Sixth time are service fees for the transactions. Good to be the government…lots of payoffs to fund. Don't forget the money to buy it in the first place is taxed! Sometimes twice!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 17, 2024 10:23:09 GMT -6
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Post by drumsound on Jun 17, 2024 10:25:54 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 17, 2024 10:26:59 GMT -6
just realized there isn't a live link to the refurbished units on their site. At least not that I could find. I got that link from the email.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 17, 2024 11:30:57 GMT -6
Right, I emailed them and asked where they will be listed : will share.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 17, 2024 11:42:20 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jun 17, 2024 11:56:30 GMT -6
Other than having someone actually print it, QuickBooks and TurboTax should do most of the heavy lifting. The only piece of information you are going to need that the average seller doesn’t is SS#. Of course having customers SS#’s means upping your Internet security. Also - the current potatoes in DC want to tax the shit out of everyone for re-selling our gear to meet next months mortgage. But I mean $600 is untaxed - so you’ve got that going for you. ($600 total threshold for the year, that is) Just out of curiosity - how many times would a $1000 piece of equipment get taxed in this scenario? Is this really right? Once on the buyer for the sale, second on the seller for profit, third and fourth time on the trade-in transaction. Fifth and Sixth time are service fees for the transactions. Good to be the government…lots of payoffs to fund. It is impossible to discuss taxes without getting into politics, but U will say this, it’s not a problem with the left or right it’s a problem with all of them.
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Post by Quint on Jun 17, 2024 12:14:30 GMT -6
Other than having someone actually print it, QuickBooks and TurboTax should do most of the heavy lifting. The only piece of information you are going to need that the average seller doesn’t is SS#. Of course having customers SS#’s means upping your Internet security. Also - the current potatoes in DC want to tax the shit out of everyone for re-selling our gear to meet next months mortgage. But I mean $600 is untaxed - so you’ve got that going for you. ($600 total threshold for the year, that is) Just out of curiosity - how many times would a $1000 piece of equipment get taxed in this scenario? Is this really right? Once on the buyer for the sale, second on the seller for profit, third and fourth time on the trade-in transaction. Fifth and Sixth time are service fees for the transactions. Good to be the government…lots of payoffs to fund. 1. I'm guessing your spell check changed politicians to potatoes, but I'm gonna steal that now and start calling them potatoes. 2. I get that a single piece of gear getting taxed multiple times raises questions about why it is taxed more than once, which in simplistic terms does make a person want to ask such questions. I paid taxes when I bought it, why is it being taxed AGAIN when I sell it to someone else? Fair enough, but it's really effectively the transaction that is being taxed, not the gear itself, when you really think about it. As a related example, we don't pay income tax in Texas, so some people in other states are jealous of that when they hear about it. But then we conversely have one of if not THE highest property tax rates in the country. And we're taxed on that property every single year, even though we only bought the property once. Gotta pay for roads and services one way or another. Property tax. Income tax. Sales tax. Whatever. The point of all of that being that it's all just different ways of paying for the same thing. Now, there are of course arguments to be made about how much the government should or shouldn't be actually spending and the specific tax rates necessary to fund that level of spending, but as far as the specific type of taxing mechanism itself is concerned, I try not to get too hung up on that, as long as the type of taxing mechanism and rate is applied in an equitable manner (it often isn't though). I think a lot of us just got used to the idea of not paying tax on these sort of gear related transactions, even though we probably should have been paying taxes on those sort of transactions all along. And, not for nothing, but before the federal government started cracking down on mail order companies like Sweetwater, they had a built in price advantage over local mom and pops who still had to charge sales tax. That whole situation went on that way for many years, and certainly didn't ease the plight of the local mom and pop music stores, and I think most of us here would agree that it's a shame what has happened to the local music stores, record stores, independent venues, etc. It's all gotten real corporate, and that's honestly where I lay the most blame for this stuff. If large corporations actually paid a more equitable tax rate, maybe the effective tax rate, that us regular joes pay on things like gear transactions, could go down.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 17, 2024 12:51:13 GMT -6
That how consumption taxes work:(
We have had the gst here for a long time.
So, you have already lost 30-50 % of your income in taxes, then with your after tax income, you pay more tax when you purchase (consume).
Not a fan.
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Post by copperx on Jun 17, 2024 13:00:40 GMT -6
What a brilliant idea. They will now control the new and majority of the used market for their products.
Like Ticketmaster, but without the evil part.
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