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Post by doubledog on May 29, 2024 7:15:23 GMT -6
www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/channel-strips/la-6176-signature-channel-strip.htmlof course I'd prefer to have the real one, which I'd probably use more. I have the LA-610 and almost never find myself using the UA 610 preamp/EQ plugins (although I know they are not exactly the same thing) - but I do use the LA-610. Anyway, interesting to see that this is what they chose to work on (or at least release) most recently. There are quite a few others that I'd rather see in both UAD/UADx (vs. still only UAD format). It is interesting they made the comp section either 1176 or LA-2A style (which as far as I know was never a true hardware option - the LA-610 is not the same...)
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Post by bgrotto on May 29, 2024 7:26:04 GMT -6
The hardware was terrible. This is a very odd choice, IMO.
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Post by Quint on May 29, 2024 7:34:51 GMT -6
The hardware was terrible. This is a very odd choice, IMO. It's a total cash grab, and not much else. Nobody was clamouring for this, and it's really only maybe worth anything to people who didn't already own the plugins that were cobbled together to make this 6176 plugin. I think UA might need cash, and is doing whatever they can to get it. They've been doing the same thing with the pedals. Some of the more recent pedals are just repurposed versions of algorithms already found in previous pedals (and also maybe minus the shit Bluetooth app). And even the original pedals were basically just mostly pre-existing plugin algos that they cobbled together into pedal boxes with AD/DA they already had sitting around. Very little R&D is needed for all of that because it was already completed years ago. Those pedals have to be huge profit makers. Maybe the best thing, IMO, to come out of the move into the pedal market is that it's possibly serving to set the table for for a full scale move into transitioning the new Apollos, whenever they come, over to ARM processors from the Sharcs, as the pedals are all on ARM. THAT could be a good thing. So why wouldn't UA try the same "cobble it together" approach with plugins if people will buy them? Pure Plate? Oxide? Century Tube Channel? Verve? The various Luna extensions? Now this 6176 plugin? I don't love it, but it is what it is, I guess. If UA wants to go after that low hanging fruit, I don't have to purchase any of it. I just worry that this new version of UA is shifting to that sort of thing being the focus rather than just an occasional side hustle. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 29, 2024 8:20:48 GMT -6
The hardware was terrible. This is a very odd choice, IMO. It's a total cash grab, and not much else. Nobody was clamouring for this, and it's really only maybe worth anything to people who didn't already own the plugins that were cobbled together to make this 6176 plugin. I think UA might need cash, and is doing whatever they can to get it. They've been doing the same thing with the pedals. Some of the more recent pedals are just repurposed versions of algorithms already found in previous pedals (and also maybe minus the shit Bluetooth app). It's funny to me that they would plop their 76 plugin algos into a new plugin and call it a 6176. That hardware sucked so bad in large part because the compression on it was TERRIBLE and sounded nothing like an 1176. Using contemporary UAD 1176 algorithms would be a huuuuuge improvement over that original mess. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 29, 2024 8:21:20 GMT -6
Wait...is there an LA-610 plugin as well? That was another honking piece of shit hardware.
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Post by Quint on May 29, 2024 8:34:17 GMT -6
It's a total cash grab, and not much else. Nobody was clamouring for this, and it's really only maybe worth anything to people who didn't already own the plugins that were cobbled together to make this 6176 plugin. I think UA might need cash, and is doing whatever they can to get it. They've been doing the same thing with the pedals. Some of the more recent pedals are just repurposed versions of algorithms already found in previous pedals (and also maybe minus the shit Bluetooth app). It's funny to me that they would plop their 76 plugin algos into a new plugin and call it a 6176. That hardware sucked so bad in large part because the compression on it was TERRIBLE and sounded nothing like an 1176. Using contemporary UAD 1176 algorithms would be a huuuuuge improvement over that original mess. I've never used a hardware 6176, but I've heard mixed feelings about it over the years. Same for the LA610. Never used one, but heard mixed impressions of it. Actually, I take that back. I have used a LA610 and remember being "okay" with it, but now wowed by it. To be fair though, that was a somewhat limited sample set. So this is like the 6176 and LA610 combined into one plugin, except maybe the compression section on the plugin is actually BETTER than the 1176/LA2A comp section on the respective hardware. Who knows. Either way, I already own all of the individual plugins that were cobbled together to make the 6176 plugin, so I'm pretty meh on this. I suspect many will feel the same, but there will be some that buy it because they don't own the original plugins or some that buy it just because. And, ya know, if it only cost, let's say, $10k to cobble together the existing code, slap a new GUI on it, and add it to the store/iLok, at $50 per purchase, all it would it take is 200 people to buy the 6176 and it's all profit after that. Hence why I think this is a total cash grab. |
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Post by Quint on May 29, 2024 8:37:23 GMT -6
Wait...is there an LA-610 plugin as well? That was another honking piece of shit hardware. There isn't an LA610 plugin, per se, but the 6176 has a LA2A added as a switchable "bonus" to this 6176 plugin, effectively making it a LA610. Also, though it's not specifically a LA610, the UAD Century Tube channel strip was another cobbled together Frankenstein plugin, made from the parts of the 610, 1073, and LA3A. |
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Post by ragan on May 29, 2024 8:52:31 GMT -6
Yeah this is a...funny choice. The hardware wasn't exactly a hit.
But, as mentioned, they can just recycle existing DSP and (in theory) make some money.
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Post by FM77 on May 29, 2024 9:12:28 GMT -6
The hardware was terrible. This is a very odd choice, IMO. Modern day UAD management. Experience is not the target market here. They squeezed that shammy dry and hung it over the bucket. |
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2024 9:26:55 GMT -6
Wait...is there an LA-610 plugin as well? That was another honking piece of shit hardware. that was worse than an art vla. The 4-710 was cool though but it’s typical lofi, not easily repairable Chinese oem hardware. Maybe that’s why it’s decent vs the made by uad in the USA strips. Why get it when you can get a daking 4 channel or a used grace 8 channel for a similar price? |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 29, 2024 9:28:08 GMT -6
Rumor is they're going deep on the next round of emulations. Bringing Fletcher out of retirement to help model the 90's sound via the signal chain he immortalized with his 'shit on a stick' AES art piece.
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Post by Dan on May 29, 2024 9:30:48 GMT -6
The hardware was terrible. This is a very odd choice, IMO. Modern day UAD management. Experience is not the target market here. They squeezed that shammy dry and hung it over the bucket. I don’t get why they don’t port all the precision plugs and century stuff to Luna, include them for free because they’re not branded so no royalties, add real hardware inserts, post support when they poo pooed the post market that is the majority of the pro daw market, and sell it as a freemium pro tools, like reaper if it was was much easier to use, that doesn’t try to sell you marked up interfaces and outdated dsp chips… wait a minute… |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2024 9:48:18 GMT -6
Not much headroom in those puppies.
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Post by dcarvak on May 29, 2024 10:10:13 GMT -6
Rumor is they're going deep on the next round of emulations. Bringing Fletcher out of retirement to help model the 90's sound via the signal chain he immortalized with his 'shit on a stick' AES art piece. Never heard of the “shit on a stick” thing. What’s that? |
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Post by vvvooojjj on May 29, 2024 10:11:14 GMT -6
The last interesting UAD released was AMS DMX in 2021.
That's a long time ago in the plugin world.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 29, 2024 10:13:41 GMT -6
Never understood the hate for the LA610. I love mine and use it all the time. Sounds killer on bass, can be awesome as a synth di. And it can be great on vocals. May be people are expecting it to be something it’s not?
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Post by the other mark williams on May 29, 2024 10:16:05 GMT -6
Not much headroom in those puppies. I had the 6176 hardware here for awhile. It didn’t have much headroom, either, so maybe the plug is accurate. I didn’t hate the hardware, though. It was useful on some things. |
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Post by mike on May 29, 2024 10:32:34 GMT -6
I had the 6176 hardware here for awhile. It didn’t have much headroom, either, so maybe the plug is accurate. I didn’t hate the hardware, though. It was useful on some things. Same....., though I agree with the earlier comment of, the compression on the 6176 didn't compare to a 1176, and it was my least favorite part of the unit, I didn't hate the 6176 hardware either and got some good tracks out of it. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2024 10:40:48 GMT -6
Not much headroom in those puppies. I had the 6176 hardware here for awhile. It didn’t have much headroom, either, so maybe the plug is accurate. I didn’t hate the hardware, though. It was useful on some things. I was talking about the hw. Not gonna bother to demo these. |
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Post by niklas1073 on May 29, 2024 11:05:29 GMT -6
Yeah, don't know much about the 6176 plug but I must say I do use more and more both 610-A and 610-B plugs lately. Really dig what they do to the low mids and how they shape the top. Hard to say why they modelled the reissue when they have those already, as many already here noticed the reissue was never a hit in that sense.
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Post by drumsound on May 29, 2024 11:10:24 GMT -6
Rumor is they're going deep on the next round of emulations. Bringing Fletcher out of retirement to help model the 90's sound via the signal chain he immortalized with his 'shit on a stick' AES art piece. I thought you were serious for a moment. |
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Post by ragan on May 29, 2024 11:20:53 GMT -6
I had the LA-610. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but it was also my first like Big Boy hardware and I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. I eventually decided it made things sound kind of wooly in a way that I didn’t love.
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Post by chessparov on May 29, 2024 11:41:45 GMT -6
Rumor is they're going deep on the next round of emulations. Bringing Fletcher out of retirement to help model the 90's sound via the signal chain he immortalized with his 'shit on a stick' AES art piece. Is UA that Mercenary?  I'm not fit to judge Pro Hardware. But... Automatic "Like" for any mention of Fletcher's iconic "sculpture".  Chris |
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Post by the other mark williams on May 29, 2024 11:47:44 GMT -6
I had the LA-610. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but it was also my first like Big Boy hardware and I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. I eventually decided it made things sound kind of wooly in a way that I didn’t love. Good description, man. And once that wooliness was there, I could never get it out again... |
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Post by veggieryan on May 29, 2024 12:19:52 GMT -6
Releasing a 6176 plugin in 2024 like it's something special or new is the perfect summation of everything that is currently wrong with UAD.
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