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Post by ragan on May 29, 2024 12:43:48 GMT -6
Hey if cheesy cash grabs like these will help fund them making Luna into a fully functional DAW, maybe it’s a good move?
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Post by ragan on May 29, 2024 12:44:52 GMT -6
Although since PT finally fixed (knock on wood) HW insert delay comp, I kinda stopped thinking about Luna. But if it grows up, I’ll still check it out again.
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Post by Quint on May 29, 2024 12:46:31 GMT -6
Hey if cheesy cash grabs like these will help fund them making Luna into a fully functional DAW, maybe it’s a good move? Luna is a big part of what keeps me around as a UA customer, so I hope you're right. We just need those damn HW inserts already... |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 29, 2024 12:52:49 GMT -6
Rumor is they're going deep on the next round of emulations. Bringing Fletcher out of retirement to help model the 90's sound via the signal chain he immortalized with his 'shit on a stick' AES art piece. Never heard of the “shit on a stick” thing. What’s that? Sadly the photo wasn't archived web.archive.org/web/20010411055605/http://mercenary.com/idonknowmuca.html |
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Post by Tbone81 on May 29, 2024 13:05:23 GMT -6
I had the LA-610. I thought it was pretty cool at the time, but it was also my first like Big Boy hardware and I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. I eventually decided it made things sound kind of wooly in a way that I didn’t love. Good description, man. And once that wooliness was there, I could never get it out again... The gain stagging is tricky. There a couple different ways to drive and distort the HW, which can be good or bad depending on what your after. “Wooliness” is a fair criticism but it cleans up some of you back off the input and make up for gain on the back end. |
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Post by bossanova on May 29, 2024 13:26:31 GMT -6
They’re doing the PA poker thing in some ways these days. I was annoyed recently because I finally bought the UAD 1176, and not long after they added a new bundle with 1176 and the Fairchild for only $10 more that I would have bought instead had it been available. It is what it is.
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Post by doubledog on May 29, 2024 13:26:35 GMT -6
Good description, man. And once that wooliness was there, I could never get it out again... The gain stagging is tricky. There a couple different ways to drive and distort the HW, which can be good or bad depending on what your after. “Wooliness” is a fair criticism but it cleans up some of you back off the input and make up for gain on the back end. I like my LA-610 (I've had it for at least 10 years) and totally agree that you have to gain stage it correctly. if you drive it hard, yeah, it can fuzz out. Sometimes that is cool on a bass guitar track. Sometimes that's not what you want at all (so why do it?). I'll be honest I don't use the LA-610 as much as other preamps, but sometimes I'll try it and it's great. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 29, 2024 13:52:16 GMT -6
Not much headroom in those puppies. Ha and that’s putting it generously. They were a total gain staging disaster. |
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Post by jmoose on May 29, 2024 15:50:29 GMT -6
As an ex-Mercenary Audio guy... oK..! hold my beer..!  |
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Post by drbill on May 29, 2024 16:03:35 GMT -6
This is a very odd choice, IMO. Running out of stuff to copy?  The gear industry might collapse when that happens. <<gasp..>> Designers might have to start.....gulp....inventing things. |
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Post by copperx on May 29, 2024 16:29:16 GMT -6
The hardware was terrible. This is a very odd choice, IMO. It's not odd at all. They were very clear on their post on UADforums that they reused the algorithms from their other plugins to make this one. Copy/paste the main algorithms, write some glue code and a GUI, and price it at $300. Easy. Here's the quote: "The LA-6176 is built from algos of shipping plugins: The 610, the 1176 and LA2A. For those previously shipped plugins or collections of plugins, there are derivations within the code that provide the feature and circuit variations, and specific golden unit fits to give you the eras and flavors of the 1176 Collection, for example." |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 29, 2024 16:32:59 GMT -6
What’s next, a ground breaking , earth shattering, out of this world , must buy, no brainer dual mono la2a ?  |
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Post by doubledog on May 29, 2024 19:01:29 GMT -6
My money's on a Unison enabled 2192. |
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Post by bossanova on May 29, 2024 19:25:08 GMT -6
I didn't realize the 2-610 was discontinued. I always heard it was the "proper" reissue of the 610 console sound whereas the Solo and others were cut down in various ways to meet the price points.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 29, 2024 20:08:24 GMT -6
I have, and enjoy using a lot of UA stuff, but I wouldn’t buy that.
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Post by bgrotto on May 29, 2024 21:15:58 GMT -6
I didn't realize the 2-610 was discontinued. I always heard it was the "proper" reissue of the 610 console sound whereas the Solo and others were cut down in various ways to meet the price points. My first 'real' preamp was a UA M-610, which was the mono channel version of the 2-610. It sounded great, though like the other amps in the series, suffered from some unusual gain staging / lack of headroom woes. But when it was dialed in right, it was quite nice. Full, warm, and very 'tube-y'. There's still a 2-610 at my studio, but I unracked it for lack of use. The 6176 and LA-610 had vastly inferior sounding preamps, with worse headroom, and their respective dynamics sections were not great. The LA-610 compression wasn't bad, just unremarkable. The 6176 compression was downright bad. Never used the 610 solo amps. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 29, 2024 21:16:57 GMT -6
This is a very odd choice, IMO. Running out of stuff to copy? The gear industry might collapse when that happens. <<gasp..>> Designers might have to start.....gulp....inventing things. There's still the (very awesome, IMHO) 545 eq from Urei. The Eventide plug of that is whack. UA could do a plug of that, and I'd be delighted* *not because I'd want the plug, but because it would likely raise the value of the multiple HW 545s I own 🤣 |
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Post by FM77 on May 30, 2024 5:55:01 GMT -6
This is a very odd choice, IMO. Running out of stuff to copy? The gear industry might collapse when that happens. <<gasp..>> Designers might have to start.....gulp....inventing things.
The pro audio community loves new innovations, new designs and new products, just as long it's something we already love.
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Post by ericn on May 30, 2024 7:33:32 GMT -6
Running out of stuff to copy? The gear industry might collapse when that happens. <<gasp..>> Designers might have to start.....gulp....inventing things. There's still the (very awesome, IMHO) 545 eq from Urei. The Eventide plug of that is whack. UA could do a plug of that, and I'd be delighted* *not because I'd want the plug, but because it would likely raise the value of the multiple HW 545s I own 🤣 UREi had a bunch of cool installation centric stuff that seamed to drift into studios they could put together a very cool little affordable bundle that, now I know this will shock you, actually solve some problems. Hell even the Urei / JBL VCA comps would be cool. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 30, 2024 8:30:55 GMT -6
There's still the (very awesome, IMHO) 545 eq from Urei. The Eventide plug of that is whack. UA could do a plug of that, and I'd be delighted* *not because I'd want the plug, but because it would likely raise the value of the multiple HW 545s I own 🤣 UREi had a bunch of cool installation centric stuff that seamed to drift into studios they could put together a very cool little affordable bundle that, now I know this will shock you, actually solve some problems. Hell even the Urei / JBL VCA comps would be cool. La 22 would be welcome. And that weird urei compressor that has only vu meters in the front (I think the controls are on screw trim pots?) ps I have a friend who scored a Rev b 76 for $175 from a sound reinforcement co like 25 years ago. |
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Post by Dan on May 30, 2024 10:45:41 GMT -6
Running out of stuff to copy? The gear industry might collapse when that happens. <<gasp..>> Designers might have to start.....gulp....inventing things. There's still the (very awesome, IMHO) 545 eq from Urei. The Eventide plug of that is whack. UA could do a plug of that, and I'd be delighted* *not because I'd want the plug, but because it would likely raise the value of the multiple HW 545s I own 🤣 All the eventide plugs are whack tbh except for the new stuff like the 9000 series, newfangled (okay these are whacky too but you know that going in), t verb and the port of the Princeton 2016. And I like the omnipressor plug for hard digital whackiness and the whacky channel strip but normal they are not. The h3000 plug with the effin wires on it… |
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Post by chessparov on May 30, 2024 12:17:34 GMT -6
Running out of stuff to copy? The gear industry might collapse when that happens. <<gasp..>> Designers might have to start.....gulp....inventing things.
The pro audio community loves new innovations, new designs and new products, just as long it's something we already love.
Brilliant!! |
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Post by chessparov on May 30, 2024 12:30:50 GMT -6
58's magically becomes 47's!* With just one press of the game changing "Vintage Button"/610 emulation. Conveniently located atop my UA Volt 1. Chris *(best Don Adams/Agent 86/Get Smart voice) "Well would you believe a Warm 47?" "Refurbished?" |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 30, 2024 16:14:32 GMT -6
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