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Post by Dan on May 16, 2024 10:01:51 GMT -6
That's one thing about driven sounds that I have a philosophical dissonance with...Sometimes overdriving stuff just sounds like poor engineering to me. (I know it was on purpose) I'm just saying that my initial thought is "oh man that snare is overdriving the amp" instead of "oh man, that's a bold decision to choose to overdrive that snare." Just saying, there's a fine line between cool distortion and a mistake... yeah I can hear it on a ton of modern records where they’re going for loud and the clipper part of the brick wall limiter hits something not a transient because there often aren’t really any transients and the mixer might be riding up faders into it Or the 1176 doing way too much on a snare or vocal. Or the over compressed drums in modern music that just sound small and crappy and distorted so they can raise them up in the mix and be audible without being louder than the vocal because transients are not allowed and everything has to be the same volume in every mix to avoid band fighting. I miss the days when only one instrument on a record sounded crappy, and if it was a Neil Young or Megadeth record that would be the vocals, and everything else sounded great. |
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Post by FM77 on May 16, 2024 10:34:06 GMT -6
If it sounds good, it is good. And the MH Sontec sounds good Yeah, I think so as well. Clean, subtle, very pleasant musical EQ.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 16, 2024 12:36:56 GMT -6
The new plug is really great and so is the sontec... How do you judge EQ's? What are you looking for that makes you say "that's a great EQ." Just whether it doesn't sound like shit? lol |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 16, 2024 12:57:18 GMT -6
The new plug is really great and so is the sontec... How do you judge EQ's? What are you looking for that makes you say "that's a great EQ." Just whether it doesn't sound like shit? lol I always laugh at the before and after portion of an EQ plugin demo. The after sounds better? No shit. You EQ'd it. |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2024 13:12:51 GMT -6
Sonic afterglow !  |
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Post by FM77 on May 16, 2024 13:31:43 GMT -6
How do you judge EQ's? What are you looking for that makes you say "that's a great EQ." Just whether it doesn't sound like shit? lol I always laugh at the before and after portion of an EQ plugin demo. The after sounds better? No shit. You EQ'd it. I often find plugin EQ demos too extreme, as if they need to make a point about the cut/boost functions. Anemic or bloated. EQ is a personal thing and it's a subtle evolution with source material. I rarely find demos that I can relate to. I also think that is how anybody can judge the quality of an EQ, it's done on a personal level, based on context, source material and experience. The % scale for 'great' seems to get smaller over-time. Or at the least more specific. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 16, 2024 13:42:54 GMT -6
I always laugh at the before and after portion of an EQ plugin demo. The after sounds better? No shit. You EQ'd it. I often find plugin EQ demos too extreme, as if they need to make a point about the cut/boost functions. Anemic or bloated. EQ is a personal thing and it's a subtle evolution with source material. I rarely find demos that I can relate to. I also think that is how anybody can judge the quality of an EQ, it's done on a personal level, based on context, source material and experience. The % scale for 'great' seems to get smaller over-time. Or at the least more specific. I assume all decent EQ's get the technical job done and I buy for features/workflow. Last EQ I bought was Surfer EQ for that reason. I have no idea the "sound" of that EQ... it sounds like less or more of whatever frequency I'm adjusting. But it does something I couldn't do before. |
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Post by kbsmoove on May 16, 2024 16:04:09 GMT -6
about the mixhead - i'm demoing it now. I don't think a single tape emulation really sounds like tape, but there is something different about the mixhead. it makes low end hit pretty hard, a lot like drums coming off 2" in a way i haven't heard another tape sim do. does u-he satin sound "better"? sure, but this slams way harder. does mixhead sound like tape? in a way, i guess. but strapped across my mix bus it hits hard and sounds real cool.
vintage code? who cares. shit sounds good.
i don't spend a lot of money on plugins, but i might buy this one after i spend more time with it.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 16, 2024 17:12:38 GMT -6
Slightly off topic but more on topic than we were before... their plugins look hilarious. "Kevin's Limiter" literally has no parameters or meters whatsoever. "Good Math" is summarized as maybe it'll sound better maybe it'll sound worse, who knows? Anyone ever try any of these? Yeah, I've got the whole Make Believe bundle. There's some good stuff in there, but a few of the plugs are definitely off-kilter (as you already pointed out). The main philosophy they've taken with that bundle is "how to work really really fast." I do like the MBEQ because of how quick it is (maybe the fastest EQ I've ever used), but it's not pristine especially in the highs. The included saturation in that EQ is pretty good, though, and definitely useful. The Parallel Processors are cool. Kevin's Limiter is good for being super fast, but it obviously has no real "feature set," you know. It's kind of like Airwindows or something. The Good Math plugin has taken a lot of heat, but I think it's important to note that they're trying to get you to work quickly and use a different part of your brain. Dan hates these plugins. I find them to be useful sometimes. They're also included in the Metric Halo MIO Console app if you buy a MH interface. I use the MBEQ all the time there just for the FFT graph alone. I put it on a second screen and make it huge. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 16, 2024 21:35:36 GMT -6
Just fired up the demo of Mix Head. It's pretty cool. Popped it on the finished stereo mixes for a jazz record I just completed, and it's providing a niceness that is definitely flattering on first listen. I'll have to revisit it tomorrow with fresher ears, but first impression is that this thing is pretty groovy.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 17, 2024 1:19:07 GMT -6
Slightly off topic but more on topic than we were before... their plugins look hilarious. "Kevin's Limiter" literally has no parameters or meters whatsoever. "Good Math" is summarized as maybe it'll sound better maybe it'll sound worse, who knows? Anyone ever try any of these? Yeah, I've got the whole Make Believe bundle. There's some good stuff in there, but a few of the plugs are definitely off-kilter (as you already pointed out). The main philosophy they've taken with that bundle is "how to work really really fast." I do like the MBEQ because of how quick it is (maybe the fastest EQ I've ever used), but it's not pristine especially in the highs. The included saturation in that EQ is pretty good, though, and definitely useful. The Parallel Processors are cool. Kevin's Limiter is good for being super fast, but it obviously has no real "feature set," you know. It's kind of like Airwindows or something. The Good Math plugin has taken a lot of heat, but I think it's important to note that they're trying to get you to work quickly and use a different part of your brain. Dan hates these plugins. I find them to be useful sometimes. They're also included in the Metric Halo MIO Console app if you buy a MH interface. I use the MBEQ all the time there just for the FFT graph alone. I put it on a second screen and make it huge. I have to say I kind of like Good Math. Even though it's arguably the most placebo of all of them. It's pretty clear that it's just a weirdly arranged trim plugin with a saturator. But in a strange way I kind of like just grabbing the three (identical) "parameters" and moving them around. For me it really does engage my ears just because it's such a bonkers way to adjust volume. Ok, enough highjacking. Back on topic. |
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Post by kbsmoove on May 17, 2024 10:34:49 GMT -6
Just fired up the demo of Mix Head. It's pretty cool. Popped it on the finished stereo mixes for a jazz record I just completed, and it's providing a niceness that is definitely flattering on first listen. I'll have to revisit it tomorrow with fresher ears, but first impression is that this thing is pretty groovy. right?? it sounds cool. i just did a fresh listen to mixes i did with it yesterday and i'm pretty happy. |
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2024 13:47:54 GMT -6
3.75 ips setting is cool. The others don’t do that much besides distortion.
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Post by bgrotto on May 17, 2024 20:35:39 GMT -6
3.75 ips setting is cool. The others don’t do that much besides distortion. Not according to this: |
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2024 21:08:44 GMT -6
3.75 ips setting is cool. The others don’t do that much besides distortion. Not according to this: wow that’s cool. I didn’t realize that using it subtly. 3.75 ips still sounds by far the coolest. It can sound really stupid. Just compare to modern tape plugs, it’s not really doing a lot especially when you consider that Satin is pretty much almost a tape synth and chow tape is a shitty tape synth. The ik tape plugs (ik tape and ik tascam) also sound extremely weird. From his description, it sounds a lot like the McDSP analog channel but only the 3.75 ips is super fat like the mcdsp. Also the Serban preset is good and turns it gold. It cuts mud, compresses highs, boost the air, and sounds cool. Serbian preset tweaked and 3.75 ips sound the best to me with this but it doesn’t really solve problems like the softube type c, satin, and goodhertz wow-cruel and type can with stunt settings. Satin is also way cleaner. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 17, 2024 22:49:16 GMT -6
wow that’s cool. I didn’t realize that using it subtly. 3.75 ips still sounds by far the coolest. It can sound really stupid. Just compare to modern tape plugs, it’s not really doing a lot especially when you consider that Satin is pretty much almost a tape synth and chow tape is a shitty tape synth. The ik tape plugs (ik tape and ik tascam) also sound extremely weird. From his description, it sounds a lot like the McDSP analog channel but only the 3.75 ips is super fat like the mcdsp. Also the Serban preset is good and turns it gold. It cuts mud, compresses highs, boost the air, and sounds cool. Serbian preset tweaked and 3.75 ips sound the best to me with this but it doesn’t really solve problems like the softube type c, satin, and goodhertz wow-cruel and type can with stunt settings. Satin is also way cleaner. Yeah, nothing about this thing sounds much like 'tape' to me. For that, there are far better plugins. But, I like what it does in its own right. The 3.75 is indeed cool, but what it does to the bandwidth (or at least, to my perception of the bandwidth; haven't actually measured it) definitely limits its overall usefulness. |
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Post by nomatic on May 18, 2024 10:19:20 GMT -6
How do you judge EQ's? What are you looking for that makes you say "that's a great EQ." Just whether it doesn't sound like shit? lol I always laugh at the before and after portion of an EQ plugin demo. The after sounds better? No shit. You EQ'd it. I can hear really small changes in subjective character after mastering thousands of tracks. Some Eqs just EQ more or less but other sound more better..... |
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Post by sentientsound on May 18, 2024 10:50:17 GMT -6
This plugin is surpringly cool. The 15ips is sweet on mixbus with HF between 0.5-1 and 3.75 sounds fun and colored on drums.
Pretty interesting to hear Rick describe the process as input gains > distortion gen > soft compressor > frequency dependent compression (sidechained to react to highs about 5.7k) .
The 15 and 30ips feel very flat and full-frequency, enough to just start add to a finished mix without distrubing the tonality or needing to do repair EQ post-processing. Definitely getting this one, curious if the highs and drive sound a bit smoother inside Metaplugin with 4x OS.
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Post by Quint on May 18, 2024 11:16:34 GMT -6
I feel like I keep hearing people talk about this plug in the context of using it on mix buss. I'm curious if anyone is using it on individual channels?
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Post by makebelievestudios on May 18, 2024 17:22:19 GMT -6
Hey everyone! Makebelieve here! We are happy to answer any questions you may have!
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Post by makebelievestudios on May 18, 2024 17:23:10 GMT -6
I feel like I keep hearing people talk about this plug in the context of using it on mix buss. I'm curious if anyone is using it on individual channels? Serban is. But also we love it on bass and kick drum over here. Super good on heavy guitars as well. The dampening can really help a harsh overhead as well |
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Post by bgrotto on May 19, 2024 12:03:35 GMT -6
I feel like I keep hearing people talk about this plug in the context of using it on mix buss. I'm curious if anyone is using it on individual channels? Just put it on a husky male vocal and it did a nice bit of smoothing, fattening, and blending. 15ips, input down a bit and pushing the drive, and hf attenuated. Nice texture in the bottom end and nice dynamic control too. |
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2024 13:01:15 GMT -6
I feel like I keep hearing people talk about this plug in the context of using it on mix buss. I'm curious if anyone is using it on individual channels? Serban is. But also we love it on bass and kick drum over here. Super good on heavy guitars as well. The dampening can really help a harsh overhead as well Any idea of updating it to be competitive with modern plugs? Multirate processing like Weiss, TDR, U-he, multiple tape bumps possible, overbiasing lowering distortion like Satin and Chow, multiple head bumps possible? I was disappointed that only 3.75 ips, the latest and lowest fi setting, had a noticeable head bump. Even McDSP Analog channel has multiple head bump settings. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 14, 2024 12:47:59 GMT -6
Any other thoughts on this plug? Goes off sale tomorrow for some time, it seems.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 14, 2024 14:19:20 GMT -6
I feel it is a bit meh. I can put a emphasis deemphasis EQ on Satin and get a better bump result. Since I already got Satin, I won't buy it.
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