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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2024 10:23:38 GMT -6
So...mono only? What am I missing here...Interesting choice in 2024...maybe there's a reason and I'm too uninformed to know...
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 25, 2024 12:12:42 GMT -6
So...mono only? What am I missing here...Interesting choice in 2024...maybe there's a reason and I'm too uninformed to know... I didn't watch that video yet, but on the Kit site I don't see anything about it being mono-only. In fact, it says "Microphone Adjustments: Choose which microphone you’d like to place in the chamber, be it a C24, R88, or a pair of 414's." Those are all stereo micing situations. But again, I didn't watch the video, so I could totally be missing something... |
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Post by bluesholyman on Apr 25, 2024 12:35:50 GMT -6
Probably running on a mono track in the demo. Guessing it shows up as stereo on a stereo track, vis a vis the pair of mics "in the room."
On the distribution tab near the bottom of the product page, it says "Supports mono and stereo signals."
Maybe the question is can it take a mono signal and return stereo. Haven't seen anything one way or the other.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2024 12:51:11 GMT -6
Ok. I’m not by it right now, but I couldn’t figure it out if it does do stereo…surely…
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Post by sean on Apr 25, 2024 13:06:11 GMT -6
A chamber would have a mono send that feeds the speaker, and the return would be stereo since they used stereo/stereo pair microphones.
Or, simple, mono in stereo out DAW AUX language
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2024 13:09:42 GMT -6
A chamber would have a mono send that feeds the speaker, and the return would be stereo since they used stereo/stereo pair microphones. Or, simple, mono in stereo out DAW AUX language One would think… |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2024 13:17:32 GMT -6
OK - sitting here with it. It's mono.
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Post by sean on Apr 25, 2024 13:40:03 GMT -6
OK - sitting here with it. It's mono. Make a mono Aux Click on the KIT Plugins tab You’ll see and option for mono in stereo out Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 25, 2024 14:04:11 GMT -6
OK - sitting here with it. It's mono. Make a mono Aux Click on the KIT Plugins tab You’ll see and option for mono in stereo out View AttachmentHave you listened? Does that sound stereo to you? When I go mono with my monitor controller, it's virtually the same...maaaaybe a little side info. And yeah, the mono and stereo are the same |
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Post by sean on Apr 25, 2024 15:30:30 GMT -6
Make a mono Aux Click on the KIT Plugins tab You’ll see and option for mono in stereo out View AttachmentHave you listened? Does that sound stereo to you? When I go mono with my monitor controller, it's virtually the same...maaaaybe a little side info. And yeah, the mono and stereo are the same It sounds pretty mono and fudged up to me. Pretty short compared to the actual chamber itself as well. |
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Post by geoff738 on Apr 25, 2024 21:09:16 GMT -6
OK - sitting here with it. It's mono. That’s seriously weird. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by timix on May 3, 2024 12:28:19 GMT -6
I tried it, sounds like regu.lar reverb to me, I prefer the IK ones & Tverb, I'm sure the UAD ones are good too.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2024 13:30:20 GMT -6
I'm just not sure how they could've heard this and thought - "nailed it."
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Post by notneeson on May 3, 2024 15:08:42 GMT -6
I tried it, sounds like regu.lar reverb to me, I prefer the IK ones & Tverb, I'm sure the UAD ones are good too. This is me every time I buy another reverb. (But also me using Lexicon and Bricasti stuff in commercial rooms). |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2024 15:46:14 GMT -6
I tried it, sounds like regu.lar reverb to me, I prefer the IK ones & Tverb, I'm sure the UAD ones are good too. This is me every time I buy another reverb. (But also my using Lexicon and Bricasti stuff in commercial rooms). Yeah. UA has great verbs. Was watching some plugin YouTube’s last night and the guy said he preferred the Arturia 224. |
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Post by ninworks on May 3, 2024 16:38:43 GMT -6
I have been in that actual chamber. It is not very wide it's just tall. Maybe that's why it is mono.
Of all my reverbs the sound quality of my PCM70 hardware smokes all the plugins. Even the UAD 480L. I just wish it had independent left and right stereo inputs. I do like the Kit stuff though. I have their Blackbird Neve 8078 console plugin and it's very good.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2024 17:39:59 GMT -6
I have been in that actual chamber. It is not very wide it's just tall. Maybe that's why it is mono. Of all my reverbs the sound quality of my PCM70 hardware smokes all the plugins. Even the UAD 480L. I just wish it had independent left and right stereo inputs. I do like the Kit stuff though. I have their Blackbird Neve 8078 console plugin and it's very good. I've used that chamber...maybe they had it multi miked on different levels or whatever, but it was not mono sounding in the least. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 3, 2024 17:41:40 GMT -6
Wait - I haven't used Room A...only the one in D. Would imagine there's only one, though...
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Post by ninworks on May 3, 2024 20:05:57 GMT -6
I have never used it. I have just been in it.
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Post by thirdeye on May 4, 2024 6:21:41 GMT -6
I have been in that actual chamber. It is not very wide it's just tall. Maybe that's why it is mono. Of all my reverbs the sound quality of my PCM70 hardware smokes all the plugins. Even the UAD 480L. I just wish it had independent left and right stereo inputs. I do like the Kit stuff though. I have their Blackbird Neve 8078 console plugin and it's very good. That's why you need two!! Ha! |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2024 21:00:27 GMT -6
They came out with a major update!! Yay!
It sounds just as mono as it ever did.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 25, 2024 13:50:06 GMT -6
I mean - can someone confirm that I’m not going insane…is it not mono? I guess I could use a meter.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 26, 2024 19:05:50 GMT -6
I mean - can someone confirm that I’m not going insane…is it not mono? I guess I could use a meter. Seeing your post got me interested again, so I downloaded it. Tried it on a couple of things: 1. a stereo-miced piano, and 2. a mono vocal. And yeah, it's very, very narrow if not mono. Not much spread to it at all. Especially compared to something like the Softube Atlantis Dual Chambers, which can be quite wide. (Atlantis sounds really good, IMO.) I do think the KIT BB Chamber could sound good on something like electric guitar if you recorded it really dry or only with a close up mic and you want to get a little more "room" in it. The room/chamber itself sounds believable to me. So I think it could give some nice front-to-back dimension, just not any real L-to-R dimension. I have to say I'm as surprised as you are, Johnkenn . It doesn't make much sense to me to release a plugin like this. It would make sense as part of a "BB Studio Chambers Pack" where there are other spaces and options that are wider stereo to go along with this. But maybe this is the only chamber they have at Blackbird? |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 26, 2024 19:18:31 GMT -6
They have one in A and D. Ive not seen the one in A but I guess that’s what they modeled.
I just think releasing a virtually mono plug in is weird in 2024. I have two ears so every time I’ve heard that chamber in D it’s been I. Stereo lol. But - why have a C24 as a selection?
I’m waiting for someone to come in and say “that’s the way they record it and when we cool people use the Blackbird chamber, we only use it in mono…” (why a c24 then?)…it’s like releasing a new record in mono.
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Post by wiz on May 26, 2024 20:20:23 GMT -6
send something to It pre fader, and pull the channel fader and pan it around whilst listening to the reverb return....
cheers
Wiz
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