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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2024 17:08:18 GMT -6
Got one of these last week, but as you know I’ve been screwing up my chain with carbons and Hilos so I’ve just been up and down. But I mixed with it yesterday.
It sounds pretty great on Drumbus. I’ve never used a vintage 78, so I can’t speak to how close it gets to that, but it is a lovely destroyer in the best sense on the drum bus. Super fast attack if you need it. I’ll maybe get into a review when I’ve had it for a while and had time to really run it through its paces…but just wanted to say it’s well worth the price. There are a few videos out there already that give a good sense of what it does, but I could make a short one with some requests if you guys are interested.
Just thinking as I go. In comparison to the Pulsar 1178…that plug is really excellent. It’s really, really close. Like really close. But it doesn’t have quite the bottom end heft and the attack isn’t as decisive/definitive as the HW. But I think that’s the short coming of digital for whatever reason. Attack. I actually think I prefer it on a vocal compared to the 76F which I really like.
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Post by smashlord on Mar 14, 2024 18:40:16 GMT -6
I've used a couple 1178s on the regular and I agree the Pulsar is a great plug and nails the vibe of the real thing.
I love 1178s... they have an edge that earlier revisions of the 1176 don't that compliments room mics and fuzzy guitars. Trying running a guitar DI, pre turned way up into the first channel, with the compressor OFF, fed into the second channel (compressor on). Led Zeppelin IV guitar sound!
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Post by Ward on Mar 14, 2024 19:22:46 GMT -6
I've used a couple 1178s on the regular and I agree the Pulsar is a great plug and nails the vibe of the real thing. I love 1178s... they have an edge that earlier revisions of the 1176 don't that compliments room mics and fuzzy guitars. Trying running a guitar DI, pre turned way up into the first channel, with the compressor OFF, fed into the second channel (compressor on). Led Zeppelin IV guitar sound! First person yet who understands the 1178. Congrats. I'll be spilling the beans on some secrets in the near future. |
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Post by yotonic on Mar 14, 2024 19:24:45 GMT -6
Love my vintage 1178 on vox in front of my vintage La2a. Never found a chain that comes close.
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Post by smashlord on Mar 15, 2024 14:40:25 GMT -6
I've used a couple 1178s on the regular and I agree the Pulsar is a great plug and nails the vibe of the real thing. I love 1178s... they have an edge that earlier revisions of the 1176 don't that compliments room mics and fuzzy guitars. Trying running a guitar DI, pre turned way up into the first channel, with the compressor OFF, fed into the second channel (compressor on). Led Zeppelin IV guitar sound! First person yet who understands the 1178. Congrats. I'll be spilling the beans on some secrets in the near future. In case anyone is wondering what this sounds like, the fuzz guitars on this were cut as described: This was 6 or 7 years ago, but IIRC, signal chain was Les Paul Custom, (maybe a tube screamer?), goosed Neve 31102 (8068), probably with some EQ, into the 1178 channels in serial. No amps used. I've never been able to replicate quite the same thing with 2 1176s. Maybe its the IC on the input, but the 1178 just has this bright, grainy thing that rules for this purpose. |
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Post by Dan on Mar 15, 2024 17:09:47 GMT -6
First person yet who understands the 1178. Congrats. I'll be spilling the beans on some secrets in the near future. In case anyone is wondering what this sounds like, the fuzz guitars on this were cut as described: This was 6 or 7 years ago, but IIRC, signal chain was Les Paul Custom, (maybe a tube screamer?), goosed Neve 31102 (8068), probably with some EQ, into the 1178 channels in serial. No amps used. I've never been able to replicate quite the same thing with 2 1176s. Maybe its the IC on the input, but the 1178 just has this bright, grainy thing that rules for this purpose. Great tone there. Cleaner than Zeppelin. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Mar 16, 2024 15:31:46 GMT -6
The Stam version I just received is something special. With Iron efficiency. Drum buss just gained a new dimension.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 16, 2024 17:09:32 GMT -6
Nice, so you have the iron mod?
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Post by paulcheeba on Mar 16, 2024 17:15:32 GMT -6
Nice, so you have the iron mod? Sure do! I’m stoked, it’s a beauty. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 16, 2024 17:38:16 GMT -6
Great, lovin the demo videos I have seen!
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Post by poppaflavor on Mar 16, 2024 21:56:43 GMT -6
First person yet who understands the 1178. Congrats. I'll be spilling the beans on some secrets in the near future. In case anyone is wondering what this sounds like, the fuzz guitars on this were cut as described: This was 6 or 7 years ago, but IIRC, signal chain was Les Paul Custom, (maybe a tube screamer?), goosed Neve 31102 (8068), probably with some EQ, into the 1178 channels in serial. No amps used. I've never been able to replicate quite the same thing with 2 1176s. Maybe its the IC on the input, but the 1178 just has this bright, grainy thing that rules for this purpose. Love that tune and tone! It's like 70s rawk guitars, 80s hair band chorus and a groove like Sublime's. |
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Post by poppaflavor on Mar 16, 2024 21:57:37 GMT -6
Nice, so you have the iron mod? Sure do! I’m stoked, it’s a beauty. Nice! Great to hear. I've put in a purchase for one with the iron mod. Word from Stam is that they are shopping pretty quick. This one is going to be a blast! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 17, 2024 3:09:07 GMT -6
First person yet who understands the 1178. Congrats. I'll be spilling the beans on some secrets in the near future. In case anyone is wondering what this sounds like, the fuzz guitars on this were cut as described: This was 6 or 7 years ago, but IIRC, signal chain was Les Paul Custom, (maybe a tube screamer?), goosed Neve 31102 (8068), probably with some EQ, into the 1178 channels in serial. No amps used. I've never been able to replicate quite the same thing with 2 1176s. Maybe its the IC on the input, but the 1178 just has this bright, grainy thing that rules for this purpose. sounds great. But curious how you actually do this because near as I can tell(I don't have one just looking at the controls) you can't bypass the compression on just one channel? So do you use 2 units? |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 17, 2024 9:25:53 GMT -6
Love my vintage 1178 on vox in front of my vintage La2a. Never found a chain that comes close. Probably the multiple use of the word “vintage” is the significant factor. As the saying goes - they don’t make ‘em like they used to. |
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Post by Oneiro on Mar 17, 2024 9:34:35 GMT -6
This is good to know. Might be my first Audioscape purchase.
I love the old 1178. Awesome on drum rooms, but really most things.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 17, 2024 10:28:40 GMT -6
Also just got a Hilo and used this chain Soyuz>1073>1178>Hilo and it was just fantastic. Zero pinching in the upper mids, the 78 is transparent in its gain reduction. I chalked the awesomeness up to the Hilo in another thread, but the 78 also contributed too. Quickly turning into one of my favorites.
I might be getting a 78 to compare with the AS from Stam once orders are filled…here’s my guess on how they’d compare. AS is maybe higher quality construction execution…sounds more modern. The Stam will probably sound more vintage and colored but maybe have some quirks like tolerance issues. Both, I’m sure, are excellent.
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Post by smashlord on Mar 17, 2024 10:31:27 GMT -6
In case anyone is wondering what this sounds like, the fuzz guitars on this were cut as described: This was 6 or 7 years ago, but IIRC, signal chain was Les Paul Custom, (maybe a tube screamer?), goosed Neve 31102 (8068), probably with some EQ, into the 1178 channels in serial. No amps used. I've never been able to replicate quite the same thing with 2 1176s. Maybe its the IC on the input, but the 1178 just has this bright, grainy thing that rules for this purpose. Love that tune and tone! It's like 70s rawk guitars, 80s hair band chorus and a groove like Sublime's. Thanks! We had some fun with that one, for sure.....quadruple tracked (real) Mellotron in the bridge! sounds great. But curious how you actually do this because near as I can tell(I don't have one just looking at the controls) you can't bypass the compression on just one channel? So do you use 2 units? You can turn off the compression on either channel by turning the attack knob all the way left until it clicks. At that point, it essentially becomes a line amp, and a beautifully snotty and spitty one at that! |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 17, 2024 23:08:12 GMT -6
Love that tune and tone! It's like 70s rawk guitars, 80s hair band chorus and a groove like Sublime's. Thanks! We had some fun with that one, for sure.....quadruple tracked (real) Mellotron in the bridge! sounds great. But curious how you actually do this because near as I can tell(I don't have one just looking at the controls) you can't bypass the compression on just one channel? So do you use 2 units? You can turn off the compression on either channel by turning the attack knob all the way left until it clicks. At that point, it essentially becomes a line amp, and a beautifully snotty and spitty one at that! Right, but it only has 1 control knob. So you either have compression on both or no compression on both. So does that mean you need two of them to do this trick? |
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Post by smashlord on Mar 18, 2024 8:19:00 GMT -6
Right, but it only has 1 control knob. So you either have compression on both or no compression on both. So does that mean you need two of them to do this trick? You know what, you are totally right! Maybe the reason I could never get the same effect with 2x 1176s is because I was engaging compression on the second one when they should both be functioning as line amps.  I seem to recall playing with the attack and release times when I did this, but obviously either I wasn't OR I did have an 1176 (which would have been a Rev D) feeding the 1178. It also could have been I was playing with gain staging the 2 channels of the 1178 into each other in different ways... I don't know! I'm not a smart guy or really know what I am doing.... I just fiddle with stuff until it sounds cool! Luckily, it at least appears like I know what I am doing to clients. |
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Post by Ward on Mar 18, 2024 12:56:19 GMT -6
I'm not a smart guy or really know what I am doing.... I just fiddle with stuff until it sounds cool! Luckily, it at least appears like I know what I am doing to clients. You speak/type like an intelligent person. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2024 13:39:14 GMT -6
I'm not a smart guy or really know what I am doing.... I just fiddle with stuff until it sounds cool! Luckily, it at least appears like I know what I am doing to clients. You speak/type like an intelligent person. Maybe it’s Ai and a bot ?  |
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Post by ericn on Mar 18, 2024 13:42:58 GMT -6
Also just got a Hilo and used this chain Soyuz>1073>1178>Hilo and it was just fantastic. Zero pinching in the upper mids, the 78 is transparent in its gain reduction. I chalked the awesomeness up to the Hilo in another thread, but the 78 also contributed too. Quickly turning into one of my favorites. I might be getting a 78 to compare with the AS from Stam once orders are filled…here’s my guess on how they’d compare. AS is maybe higher quality construction execution…sounds more modern. The Stam will probably sound more vintage and colored but maybe have some quirks like tolerance issues. Both, I’m sure, are excellent. Isn’t Sounding “ vintage “. &” tolerance issues “ redundant 😁 |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Mar 19, 2024 19:06:59 GMT -6
I have a Drawmer 1978 Stereo FET Compressor... Im curious if the AS78 would be a bit of an overlap with the 1978... It just dawned on the name is awfully similar. Haha
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Post by Ward on Mar 19, 2024 19:26:47 GMT -6
You speak/type like an intelligent person. Maybe it’s Ai and a bot ? Hey watch it, fella, I resemble that remark. LOL |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 30, 2024 10:58:36 GMT -6
This thing is pretty damn awesome. I actually had to send one back because of an issue, but they were super prompt and helpful. The Pulsar plug is pretty damn killer. Very, very close to the hardware. The HW does something “more” though. Idk exactly what it is, but I think it’s in the attack. (Same with all SW comps imo) I can completely eliminate the transient with the fastest attack with the HW…the software seems to be doing it, it just doesn’t do it as well as the HW. I also seem to get more lower volume info - e.g. with drums - I hear more cymbals compressing the same amount with the HW…like it’s doing what it’s supposed to be doing. So I guess you could say the plugin works and the HW does it even better. Shocker.
This thing does seem like the perfect Drumbus comp. Great control/versatility and it can get as dirty as needs be. Highly recommend. I’m also actually using this for vocal comp too in place of the 76F (which I really like a lot)…seems to be a little more transparent.
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