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Post by Omicron9 on Mar 14, 2024 9:45:57 GMT -6
Greetings.
I've not mic'ed up a trumpet in a very long time. Since then, my mics have entirely changed. Here's what I've got. From this list, what would be your first and second choices? Please don't recommend that I buy X because there's no new mic budget.
Shure:
KSM-44
KSM-32
KSM-141
SM-27
57
AKG:
C-460-B
Gefell:
M-930
I'm instinctually gravitating toward the 27 or 44. The 32 is a possibility; that mic sounds really good to great on everything.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
TIA,
-09
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Post by drbill on Mar 14, 2024 10:16:06 GMT -6
Had a trumpet player that I used to record a lot. We tried everything from U47's to dynamics. Ultimately we ended up exclusively with ribbons. The one that worked best was the Joly modded 205. But most ribbons will get you close. It's a very rare day when I would pull out any condenser for Tpt. Can you borrow a ribbon? Honestly that mic list makes me not want to record. If I had to choose one, I might try the Gefell. If you have to only use those, try getting as much distance as you can from the mic(s).
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Post by Dan on Mar 14, 2024 10:19:04 GMT -6
EVs
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 14, 2024 10:19:15 GMT -6
Ribbons are usually more flattering to brass players. Dynamics tend to sound "honky" or lots of mids. TLM170s are usually pretty great too with a bit of space, so I'd try the 930 or the 44 first.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 14, 2024 10:19:15 GMT -6
I don't know the 930, otherwise I'm leaning KSM-32, I think it's the flattest up top of the others. Agree I almost always go ribbon. Only if it's a very softly played or ambient part might I lean condenser. Yes distance is important, either way.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 14, 2024 10:33:37 GMT -6
Trumpet player here…I love a good ribbon, but sometimes they can be a little dark so I’ll throw up my Warm47. Both work great.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 14, 2024 10:43:51 GMT -6
Depending on if it’s a featured instrument or not I’d try the 57 into a nice preamp. I’ve had good luck with 57’s and 421’s on brass. YMMV
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Post by drumsound on Mar 14, 2024 11:52:32 GMT -6
sE X1rs (ribbon)are $250 and worth having for things like any horns that show up, but they also are useful on a bunch of things.
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Post by ericn on Mar 14, 2024 12:12:20 GMT -6
The classic Jazz Trumpet sound is either an M49 a Ribbon. I have used Dynamics live but to keep it from honking you spend a lot of time EQing it. SDC’s can work if you like it a little bright.
Unless you’re using a clip on put about 2.5 to 3ft between the horn and the mic. To close and you will hear every micro movement of the player.
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Post by recordingengineer on Mar 14, 2024 14:35:32 GMT -6
I’d try the 32, 460, and 141, and choose whichever works out the best.
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Post by christopher on Mar 14, 2024 14:44:20 GMT -6
57 always gets you by on everything. Wasn’t Andy Johns all 57’s? do that for close mic, maybe a stereo condenser pair further back, as either backup choice or room mic. Sometimes since you know it’s a crapshoot, its a chance to try stuff like M/S with mismatched mics.. Ribbons are Figure8, probably why they work is the rear capsule facing away. You can setup a cardiod aimed backwards, one forwards.. see what happens
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Post by christophert on Mar 14, 2024 15:38:34 GMT -6
I work with one of the great trumpet players in my country, and he insists on a Coles ribbon > to the point that I convinced him to buy his own so he could walk into any studio and get the sound he loves.
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Post by nomatic on Mar 14, 2024 15:55:37 GMT -6
stager SR-2N ribbons always
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 14, 2024 15:56:44 GMT -6
I work with one of the great trumpet players in my country, and he insists on a Coles ribbon > to the point that I convinced him to buy his own so he could walk into any studio and get the sound he loves. That’s awesome. The Coles is pretty magical. I’ve gotten very very similar results with my fathead lundahl. The Royer never sounds cool to me. Like it’s great for big section work, but for a soloist it feels a little too natural. |
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Post by drumsound on Mar 14, 2024 16:01:03 GMT -6
57 always gets you by on everything. Wasn’t Andy Johns all 57’s? do that for close mic, maybe a stereo condenser pair further back, as either backup choice or room mic. Sometimes since you know it’s a crapshoot, its a chance to try stuff like M/S with mismatched mics.. Ribbons are Figure8, probably why they work is the rear capsule facing away. You can setup a cardiod aimed backwards, one forwards.. see what happens It's not the pattern of ribbons that makes them work so well on horns, it how ribbons react to the sound. |
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 14, 2024 16:05:46 GMT -6
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Post by doubledog on Mar 14, 2024 16:24:08 GMT -6
+1 for a ribbon - pretty much any ribbon will get you there. Even the $59 GC specials.
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Post by nnajar on Mar 14, 2024 18:52:55 GMT -6
The gefell will sound great on a good trumpet player
So will the 57.
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Post by Ward on Mar 14, 2024 19:19:46 GMT -6
Indeed,. My choices. 1. EV RE27 2. EV RE20 3. EV RE320 4. Senn 421 5. Senn 441 |
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Post by aremos on Mar 14, 2024 20:14:45 GMT -6
Neumann TLM 170/U89. Used one & came out very nice.
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Post by drsax on Mar 14, 2024 20:48:01 GMT -6
Greetings. I've not mic'ed up a trumpet in a very long time. Since then, my mics have entirely changed. Here's what I've got. From this list, what would be your first and second choices? Please don't recommend that I buy X because there's no new mic budget. Shure: KSM-44 KSM-32 KSM-141 SM-27 57 AKG: C-460-B Gefell: M-930 I'm instinctually gravitating toward the 27 or 44. The 32 is a possibility; that mic sounds really good to great on everything. Thoughts? Suggestions? TIA, -09 of your list, I’ve had good results on trumpet with the KSM32. As others have mentioned, ribbon mics and the TLM170 are also great on trumpet. |
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Post by christopher on Mar 14, 2024 21:03:06 GMT -6
+1 for a ribbon - pretty much any ribbon will get you there. Even the $59 GC specials. And if married with shared checking account, there’s those DIY ribbon videos made out of aluminum foil . Home Depot has neodymium magnets.. I need to get on that! |
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Post by subspace on Mar 16, 2024 9:20:31 GMT -6
Indeed,. My choices. 1. EV RE27 2. EV RE20 3. EV RE320 4. Senn 421 5. Senn 441 Used RE15s on T1 & T2 last night, great in a tight pit where ribbons net you 50% of something the trumpets are facing, in this case the stage. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2024 10:54:19 GMT -6
That Samar VL37 is pretty badass too.
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 16, 2024 12:10:45 GMT -6
sE X1rs (ribbon)are $250 and worth having for things like any horns that show up, but they also are useful on a bunch of things. I have a pair of these guys. |
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