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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2024 20:12:07 GMT -6
So…what are the practical differences between Pro Tools Studio and Ultimate?
EDIT: Ok, I just went to the Avid site and educated myself about the differences. I think I understand most of what I saw there.
Looks like it would be possible to try things out with Pro Tools Intro to see what it would be like working in PT again, and if all goes well, upgrade to a “real” version.
I’m guessing PT Studio can also work with an HDX card and an HD interface?
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 7, 2024 20:47:51 GMT -6
Nah, you need Ultimate to run a HDX rig.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2024 21:14:36 GMT -6
Nah, you need Ultimate to run a HDX rig. So it looks like Carbon works with PT Studio, but it comes with a Perpetual license of Ultimate? |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 7, 2024 21:19:32 GMT -6
Nah, you need Ultimate to run a HDX rig. So it looks like Carbon works with PT Studio, but it comes with a Perpetual license of Ultimate? It does, I'm not sure if all the features are available for it though. I'd love to tell you but everytime I boot Pro Tools it automatically flips to Ultimate, it seems that the Studio installation package contains Ultimate it's just a licensing thing. I suppose it doesn't matter either way as you get a perpetual license plus support for a year anyway.. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2024 21:32:37 GMT -6
So it looks like Carbon works with PT Studio, but it comes with a Perpetual license of Ultimate? It does, I'm not sure if all the features are available for it though. I'd love to tell you but everytime I boot Pro Tools it automatically flips to Ultimate, it seems that the Studio installation package contains Ultimate it's just a licensing thing. I suppose it doesn't matter either way as you get a perpetual license plus support for a year anyway.. Thanks, Danny!
Re: the installation of various versions - yeah, I saw something that indicated the installation actually includes ALL the versions, and that it's just down to the license as to what the software makes available.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2024 21:55:03 GMT -6
How would I even measure it if it's that tiny? When I zoom in, it's basically dead nuts the same...but yeah let me try that. What I did when I was jumping through all the hoops with Antelope trying to get the Galaxy 64 to work is put it on that duplicate track, bring up the fader slowly and just see if I heard anything weird/phasey. Then, from there, right click on the hardware insert and choose "commit" then I could visually see between the two wavesforms and measure with the Pro Tools cursor selector between two transients to measure the distance in samples between the two. Right. That’s what I’ve done before…make a click track. Record it onto a channel…the send that signal with an Aux to a second audio channel and record it there. In the past, there’s always been a difference. But there’s not now. I can flip the phase and bring the volumes to the same place and they completely null (when I’ve bypassed the comp). I actually real time bounced that clip and it just works…I keep thinking I’ve done something wrong and maybe I’ll figure out that I’m fooling myself…but if it works it works. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2024 21:56:57 GMT -6
It does, I'm not sure if all the features are available for it though. I'd love to tell you but everytime I boot Pro Tools it automatically flips to Ultimate, it seems that the Studio installation package contains Ultimate it's just a licensing thing. I suppose it doesn't matter either way as you get a perpetual license plus support for a year anyway.. Thanks, Danny! Re: the installation of various versions - yeah, I saw something that indicated the installation actually includes ALL the versions, and that it's just down to the license as to what the software makes available.
Somebody needs to crack that shit  I keed. I keed |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2024 22:24:25 GMT -6
Well, I haven't logged into the Avid site, EVER. Last time I did anything with Pro Tools it was still Digidesign. Still, I just recovered my old account somehow at the Avid site and got everything hooked up. Gonna download Pro Tools Intro just to play around a bit and see how things go.
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 8, 2024 0:24:24 GMT -6
Well, I haven't logged into the Avid site, EVER. Last time I did anything with Pro Tools it was still Digidesign. Still, I just recovered my old account somehow at the Avid site and got everything hooked up. Gonna download Pro Tools Intro just to play around a bit and see how things go. Welcome back to the purple side!🤟🏻 Protools Studio also comes with all the extra plugins Ultimate has. |
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Post by enlav on Mar 8, 2024 7:49:22 GMT -6
So…what are the practical differences between Pro Tools Studio and Ultimate? I'm using your quote here as a starting point, since it brings up an interesting point. I think in theory, you could always differentiate the difference between the hardware and software of Digidesign/Avid past, but it made less sense since we really didn't see "Pro Tools HD" without an HD rig of some sort, right? (Aside from... Piracy?)
But now it's not just about Studio vs. Ultimate, but also Pro Tools HDX hardware (and all of its iterations) vs. Non Pro Tools HDX hardware/systems.
I've also been misreading all of these threads, because my takeaway was that people on non-HD Pro Tools were talking about the issue of latency/delay affecting their experience with mix or overdubs rather than whether it was capable of compensating during or afterwards.
@johnkenn Might be grasping at straws from other threads, but is that the 1178 on that soundcloud track?
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Post by doubledog on Mar 8, 2024 8:26:21 GMT -6
I have PT studio and an Apollo too. I still get confused every time I use a hardware insert and despite the fact that the Apollo is in "Pro tools mode" (which I thought was supposed to correct this offset because 1-2 is really monitors), I still have to add 2 to every hardware I/O. Meaning if I want to patch into physical I/O 3-4, then I need to choose 5-6 in Pro Tools. I'm sure it's been reported to both UA and Avid and they likely just point fingers at each other. Or maybe I'm still doing it wrong. I suppose I could re-arrange the Pro Tools I/O setup manually.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2024 8:33:18 GMT -6
So…what are the practical differences between Pro Tools Studio and Ultimate? I'm using your quote here as a starting point, since it brings up an interesting point. I think in theory, you could always differentiate the difference between the hardware and software of Digidesign/Avid past, but it made less sense since we really didn't see "Pro Tools HD" without an HD rig of some sort, right? (Aside from... Piracy?) But now it's not just about Studio vs. Ultimate, but also Pro Tools HDX hardware (and all of its iterations) vs. Non Pro Tools HDX hardware/systems. I've also been misreading all of these threads, because my takeaway was that people on non-HD Pro Tools were talking about the issue of latency/delay affecting their experience with mix or overdubs rather than whether it was capable of compensating during or afterwards. @johnkenn Might be grasping at straws from other threads, but is that the 1178 on that soundcloud track?
Maaaaybe. Maybe not. It was from a company - can’t say the name - but rhymes with AudioScape. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2024 8:35:17 GMT -6
I have PT studio and an Apollo too. I still get confused every time I use a hardware insert and despite the fact that the Apollo is in "Pro tools mode" (which I thought was supposed to correct this offset because 1-2 is really monitors), I still have to add 2 to every hardware I/O. Meaning if I want to patch into physical I/O 3-4, then I need to choose 5-6 in Pro Tools. I'm sure it's been reported to both UA and Avid and they likely just point fingers at each other. Or maybe I'm still doing it wrong. I suppose I could re-arrange the Pro Tools I/O setup manually. Exactly what I have to do too. I renamed them in Console IO and was hoping it would show up in PT, but it didn’t. |
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Post by prene1 on Mar 8, 2024 11:32:01 GMT -6
I have PT studio and an Apollo too. I still get confused every time I use a hardware insert and despite the fact that the Apollo is in "Pro tools mode" (which I thought was supposed to correct this offset because 1-2 is really monitors), I still have to add 2 to every hardware I/O. Meaning if I want to patch into physical I/O 3-4, then I need to choose 5-6 in Pro Tools. I'm sure it's been reported to both UA and Avid and they likely just point fingers at each other. Or maybe I'm still doing it wrong. I suppose I could re-arrange the Pro Tools I/O setup manually. Exactly what I have to do too. I renamed them in Console IO and was hoping it would show up in PT, but it didn’t. Did you rename it in protools also under the insert tab in the routing page to match your Apollo I/O routing ? L |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2024 11:46:26 GMT -6
Exactly what I have to do too. I renamed them in Console IO and was hoping it would show up in PT, but it didn’t. Did you rename it in protools also under the insert tab in the routing page to match your Apollo I/O routing ? L Not yet. I’m just a little confused about that. I’m physically using line 3-4 to go out to the unit and line 3-4 to come back in to the Apollo. But I’m pro tools, I have to select Insert 5-6 because of the offset. So do I change the name of Insert 5-6 in PT? |
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Post by prene1 on Mar 8, 2024 11:47:19 GMT -6
Did you rename it in protools also under the insert tab in the routing page to match your Apollo I/O routing ? L Not yet. I’m just a little confused about that. I’m physically using line 3-4 to go out to the unit and line 3-4 to come back in to the Apollo. But I’m pro tools, I have to select Insert 5-6 because of the offset. So do I change the name of Insert 5-6 in PT? Give me a few I’ll show you how I have mines all set. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2024 11:48:03 GMT -6
And I’m still talking to peeps about getting into Carbon. I’m completely paranoid that I’m celebrating too soon. Will it continue to work with multiple inserts? Will it work at different sample rates? Will it just up and stop working at some point?
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Post by prene1 on Mar 8, 2024 12:07:12 GMT -6
Did you rename it in protools also under the insert tab in the routing page to match your Apollo I/O routing ? L Not yet. I’m just a little confused about that. I’m physically using line 3-4 to go out to the unit and line 3-4 to come back in to the Apollo. But I’m pro tools, I have to select Insert 5-6 because of the offset. So do I change the name of Insert 5-6 in PT? This is my routing |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2024 13:15:07 GMT -6
Not yet. I’m just a little confused about that. I’m physically using line 3-4 to go out to the unit and line 3-4 to come back in to the Apollo. But I’m pro tools, I have to select Insert 5-6 because of the offset. So do I change the name of Insert 5-6 in PT? This is my routing Hey - thanks, man! So, refresh my memory...I'm writing in 20 different threads right now lol. Are you using an Apollo? Or a Carbon? And is that PT Studio or Ultimate? I just got confirmation from a sales guy (and Subspace) that Carbon would work with PT Studio. If that's the case, that would save me the dough on the Ultimate subscription...But now I'm wondering why I'm messing with anything if Carbon would basically be doing the same thing as an Apollo. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Mar 8, 2024 13:23:16 GMT -6
Yes, maybe a little late posting, but my Carbon works great with the Studio with RTL and I also got the full Ultimate plugin package. I think it’s like 115 plugins? Not sure about the number, but it’s more than I will ever use.
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Post by subspace on Mar 8, 2024 13:39:14 GMT -6
Hey - thanks, man! So, refresh my memory...I'm writing in 20 different threads right now lol. Are you using an Apollo? Or a Carbon? And is that PT Studio or Ultimate? I just got confirmation from a sales guy (and Subspace) that Carbon would work with PT Studio. If that's the case, that would save me the dough on the Ultimate subscription...But now I'm wondering why I'm messing with anything if Carbon would basically be doing the same thing as an Apollo. Because PTs compensates for insert latency using three settings: 192/HD, Carbon and go fuck yourself. If you select anything but the first two in the audio engine, results may vary. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 8, 2024 13:46:45 GMT -6
Hey - thanks, man! So, refresh my memory...I'm writing in 20 different threads right now lol. Are you using an Apollo? Or a Carbon? And is that PT Studio or Ultimate? I just got confirmation from a sales guy (and Subspace) that Carbon would work with PT Studio. If that's the case, that would save me the dough on the Ultimate subscription...But now I'm wondering why I'm messing with anything if Carbon would basically be doing the same thing as an Apollo. Because PTs compensates for insert latency using three settings: 192/HD, Carbon and go fuck yourself. If you select anything but the first two in the audio engine, results may vary. So you're saying Carbon is going to do a better job of it? Also - what would I be missing out on by sticking with Studio? I mean - I don't care about all the track counts etc - don't need all that...would I just miss out on tracking with DSP? There's got to be something I'd miss by not moving to Ultimate. |
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Post by subspace on Mar 8, 2024 13:56:32 GMT -6
Because PTs compensates for insert latency using three settings: 192/HD, Carbon and go fuck yourself. If you select anything but the first two in the audio engine, results may vary. So you're saying Carbon is going to do a better job of it? Also - what would I be missing out on by sticking with Studio? I mean - I don't care about all the track counts etc - don't need all that...would I just miss out on tracking with DSP? There's got to be something I'd miss by not moving to Ultimate. I switched from analog summing my outboard to running inserts as soon as I switched from MOTU hardware to Carbon, it just worked. The guy yesterday had a 33609J and Mutronics Mutator hardwired on i/o 5-6 and 7-8 on his HDs, we just moved the DB25 to the Carbon and didn't miss a beat opening the 35 in progress mixes. You will miss out on double the annual tithe and your budding career in post by running multiple video clips... I've had a free Ultimate license sitting unactivated for a couple years because I don't run HDX cards that require the HD Driver. It's currently a PCI card tax. |
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Post by prene1 on Mar 8, 2024 14:06:01 GMT -6
Hey - thanks, man! So, refresh my memory...I'm writing in 20 different threads right now lol. Are you using an Apollo? Or a Carbon? And is that PT Studio or Ultimate? I just got confirmation from a sales guy (and Subspace) that Carbon would work with PT Studio. If that's the case, that would save me the dough on the Ultimate subscription...But now I'm wondering why I'm messing with anything if Carbon would basically be doing the same thing as an Apollo. I am using 4x Apollo X’s. I have access too both studio and ultimate. Carbon may be a better deal if you don’t want too deal with issues of latency. With my Apollo setup I only have issues ONLY when creating parallel via busses because of the cranbornes via adat. If I do just audio track processing, then protools compensate properly. But again my rig works. |
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Post by peterhess on Mar 10, 2024 14:55:44 GMT -6
So John, you’re running the current subscription PT Studio? I’m still rocking pre-subscription 11: but I might get in on the long-overdue upgrade/update if what you say is true, that delay comp on insert is actually functioning.
*like you, I believe, I was getting the mindboggling EARLY return when manually inputting delay comp times, leading me to either print and nudge, or abandon inserts: just going to hardware, summing, and printing the two track return.
Thanks for keeping us apprised of how this is going. Still seems scandalous that it’s so challenging. Cheers- P
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