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Post by bentley on Feb 27, 2024 21:09:30 GMT -6
I swear, with like 3 out of every 5 "projects" I attempt, I watch the YouTube vids, I feel like I understand the whole procedure, and then I do the first step which then has a wildly different result than every YT vid I've watched. And I'm crazy detailed - it's not like I'm skipping over stuff or making shit up as I go.  |
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Post by ericn on Feb 27, 2024 21:34:50 GMT -6
Uh…again, I is not handy. I had the blade backwards. Who knew circular saw teeth face up? Not me. Anyway, it cut like hot butter once I used it correctly. Cut through my Govee light thingy immediately after I thought to myself “I need to take down the Govee light thingy so I don’t cut through it.” About to see if it changed any with the Trinnov.  I’ll admit to spending an hour yesterday trying to drill a hole in a piece of steel, in reverse. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2024 21:37:14 GMT -6
Was about to say that it should cut without a hitch and that the blade sounds f****d up. Are the Amphions at true ear level (the tweeter looks a little high?) Otherwise all looks good Cheers, Ross They’re a little high…and now that you’ve said that I won’t be able to sleep. |
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Post by teejay on Feb 27, 2024 21:37:38 GMT -6
For next time remember a higher tooth count on the blade will give you a smoother cut. I was going to suggest 40 or 60, but sounds like what you had worked to your satisfaction. That and adjust the blade to about 1/8” below the board.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 27, 2024 21:38:10 GMT -6
Fantastically entertaining thread. I can't imagine that taking that out didn't improve things in the room. Please report back on the results and the Trinnov.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2024 21:46:14 GMT -6
I can pop up the before and after…honestly doesn’t seem to change that much on the trinnov graphs. And I guess it doesn’t really matter if the point of the trinnov is to make it flat. The phase seems to be a little better on the graph.
Does it sound different? I haven’t had enough time with it yet. I thiiiink it might have a little better center image.
I know this…I have a ton more space and my reading glasses work better. My first thought was it was a little dark now that it’s farther away…I need to maybe think about a new monitor.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2024 21:56:33 GMT -6
This is kind of a nice representation of an RGO thread…
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Post by noob on Feb 27, 2024 22:05:19 GMT -6
I can pop up the before and after…honestly doesn’t seem to change that much on the trinnov graphs. And I guess it doesn’t really matter if the point of the trinnov is to make it flat. The phase seems to be a little better on the graph. Does it sound different? I haven’t had enough time with it yet. I thiiiink it might have a little better center image. I know this…I have a ton more space and my reading glasses work better. My first thought was it was a little dark now that it’s farther away…I need to maybe think about a new monitor. This might be a dumb question, but is it possible you're having issues because your amphions are somwhat behind your desk? They are probably reflecting right off of that surface in front of them, wouldn't be surprised if that's causing phasing or reflection issues at all. Have you ever tried using isolation pads and putting them directly on the desk? |
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Post by noob on Feb 27, 2024 22:06:41 GMT -6
I also use them horizontally nowadays too, which someone at amphion told me is completely cool. Might work well with your setup - along with a larger monitor now...  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2024 22:46:01 GMT -6
I can pop up the before and after…honestly doesn’t seem to change that much on the trinnov graphs. And I guess it doesn’t really matter if the point of the trinnov is to make it flat. The phase seems to be a little better on the graph. Does it sound different? I haven’t had enough time with it yet. I thiiiink it might have a little better center image. I know this…I have a ton more space and my reading glasses work better. My first thought was it was a little dark now that it’s farther away…I need to maybe think about a new monitor. This might be a dumb question, but is it possible you're having issues because your amphions are somwhat behind your desk? They are probably reflecting right off of that surface in front of them, wouldn't be surprised if that's causing phasing or reflection issues at all. Have you ever tried using isolation pads and putting them directly on the desk? Oh - I’m not really having issues with them…I’ve just been wanting to move my monitor back forever because I suspected the monitor being in front and somewhat in the path of the speaker to my skull might be a problem. But maybe I should try them a little closer. I had them on my desk for years with iso pads…but they just felt too close. Right now it’s a pretty close to equal triangle from speaker to speaker and to listening position. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 27, 2024 22:49:10 GMT -6
I also use them horizontally nowadays too, which someone at amphion told me is completely cool. Might work well with your setup - along with a larger monitor now... I assume you mean you use them horizontally? Mine are vertical. I’ve tried them horizontally and for some reason got nervous and went back to what I knew. Seems like the phase correction graph wasnt as good with them horizontal… |
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Post by noob on Feb 27, 2024 22:56:42 GMT -6
Hah, no I meant also as in, in addition to what I said before - miscommunication.
Yeah horizontal definitely sounds different, took some time to get used to but I like it. I kind of had to do it because they are on top of my also horizontal Kali IN8s, pointed down at my ear holes.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 27, 2024 23:37:35 GMT -6
Uh…again, I is not handy. I had the blade backwards. Who knew circular saw teeth face up? Not me. Anyway, it cut like hot butter once I used it correctly. Cut through my Govee light thingy immediately after I thought to myself “I need to take down the Govee light thingy so I don’t cut through it.” About to see if it changed any with the Trinnov. This is the best thing I've read today.
Now, it's been a pretty heavy day, but still - it's what i needed. Thanks, John. I am as handily challenged as you are.
My Brothers!!! If it weren't for different friends over the years, none of the things that were built for my place wouldn't have ever happened. |
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Post by dok on Feb 27, 2024 23:39:24 GMT -6
I just did something similar because the display I got was screaming for it... it's an LG Ergo with a really nifty clamping mechanism with an arm that lets you swivel/extend/raise/lower/rotate. Started here:  ended here:  via this 2x4 extension/shelf I put underneath my desk - you can see in the second image that the mac mini is sitting under the shelf... and also why I don't want anything else sitting on top of it. It's too slick!   @johnkenn your work surface looks like it extends back far enough you could just clamp the display right to the desk and it would still be behind the front plane of the speakers. Here's the display model for anyone else interested: www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-32un880-b-4k-uhd-led-monitor |
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Post by ericn on Feb 28, 2024 0:04:09 GMT -6
This is the best thing I've read today.
Now, it's been a pretty heavy day, but still - it's what i needed. Thanks, John. I am as handily challenged as you are.
My Brothers!!! If it weren't for different friends over the years, none of the things that were built for my place wouldn't have ever happened. Next RGO fundraising email DONATE BEFORE JOHN ATTEMPTS ANOTHER DIY (picture of JK in front of a table saw). Do you feel lucky? Don’t tempt fate donate now!😁 |
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Post by reddirt on Feb 28, 2024 0:10:44 GMT -6
John if the tweeters are too high try them upside down and also the ledges above the racks would be reflective which may be obviated with thin acoustic foam laid on them.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 28, 2024 1:28:27 GMT -6
John if the tweeters are too high try them upside down and also the ledges above the racks would be reflective which may be obviated with thin acoustic foam laid on them. Cheers, Ross (Looks up obviating) Interesting idea… |
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Post by vvvooojjj on Feb 28, 2024 3:26:51 GMT -6
I'd recommend changing the desk to a tiny one and installing monitor behind it a bit tilted.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 28, 2024 4:11:59 GMT -6
Practicing my clickbait headlines for future YouTube possibilities. Anyway - if I sawed off the middle of this desk so I could scoot my monitor back - it shouldn’t be an issue with it structurally right? I normally have it on the main desk scooted back as close to the front ledge as it will go back…but my monitor has always been in front of the speakers and I suspect futzing with sound…so I’d like to cut that center part of the ledge off and scoot it back to at least be even with the speakers.  I'm not at all convinced about small computer monitors messing with the sound. My wife helped me double blind ABX test my 24" monitor being placed between my ATC 25's (which are set back on proper stands in a 5ft triangle with my sitting position) I was blind folded and led into the studio onto my seat and music played back and I had to determine if the 24" Dell monitor was there on the desk or not. We repeated the process about 20 times (crazy I know) and I had to say THERE - NOT THERE and my lovely patient wife recorded the result. It was great myth busting experience for me, I was just guessing - there was absolutely no way I could tell if the PC monitor was there or not. To verify, the 24" monitor does not cover up any part pf my ATC 25's as the tweeters and mids are placed approx. 4 feet apart and the bass drivers 5 feet apart. So there it is - in my world, in my studio, my 24" PC monitor is completely invisible to my ears when placed in front of ATC 25's which are set back on stands. |
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Post by noob on Feb 28, 2024 6:06:15 GMT -6
Practicing my clickbait headlines for future YouTube possibilities. Anyway - if I sawed off the middle of this desk so I could scoot my monitor back - it shouldn’t be an issue with it structurally right? I normally have it on the main desk scooted back as close to the front ledge as it will go back…but my monitor has always been in front of the speakers and I suspect futzing with sound…so I’d like to cut that center part of the ledge off and scoot it back to at least be even with the speakers. I'm not at all convinced about small computer monitors messing with the sound. My wife helped me double blind ABX test my 24" monitor being placed between my ATC 25's (which are set back on proper stands in a 5ft triangle with my sitting position) I was blind folded and led into the studio onto my seat and music played back and I had to determine if the 24" Dell monitor was there on the desk or not. We repeated the process about 20 times (crazy I know) and I had to say THERE - NOT THERE and my lovely patient wife recorded the result. It was great myth busting experience for me, I was just guessing - there was absolutely no way I could tell if the PC monitor was there or not. To verify, the 24" monitor does not cover up any part pf my ATC 25's as the tweeters and mids are placed approx. 4 feet apart and the bass drivers 5 feet apart. So there it is - in my world, in my studio, my 24" PC monitor is completely invisible to my ears when placed in front of ATC 25's which are set back on stands. That's amazing haha. And I agree, the monitor seems to be well out of the way of the speakers direction. I've never had an issue with it myself. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Feb 28, 2024 6:38:59 GMT -6
This is kind of a nice representation of an RGO thread… Especially if you end up buying about $5000 in new gear because you moved a monitor 18 inches. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 28, 2024 8:02:20 GMT -6
Practicing my clickbait headlines for future YouTube possibilities. Anyway - if I sawed off the middle of this desk so I could scoot my monitor back - it shouldn’t be an issue with it structurally right? I normally have it on the main desk scooted back as close to the front ledge as it will go back…but my monitor has always been in front of the speakers and I suspect futzing with sound…so I’d like to cut that center part of the ledge off and scoot it back to at least be even with the speakers. I'm not at all convinced about small computer monitors messing with the sound. My wife helped me double blind ABX test my 24" monitor being placed between my ATC 25's (which are set back on proper stands in a 5ft triangle with my sitting position) I was blind folded and led into the studio onto my seat and music played back and I had to determine if the 24" Dell monitor was there on the desk or not. We repeated the process about 20 times (crazy I know) and I had to say THERE - NOT THERE and my lovely patient wife recorded the result. It was great myth busting experience for me, I was just guessing - there was absolutely no way I could tell if the PC monitor was there or not. To verify, the 24" monitor does not cover up any part pf my ATC 25's as the tweeters and mids are placed approx. 4 feet apart and the bass drivers 5 feet apart. So there it is - in my world, in my studio, my 24" PC monitor is completely invisible to my ears when placed in front of ATC 25's which are set back on stands. Is it supposed to be a 5ft equilateral triangle? Or does it matter the length - more just equilateral? |
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Post by doubledog on Feb 28, 2024 8:11:19 GMT -6
Practicing my clickbait headlines for future YouTube possibilities. Anyway - if I sawed off the middle of this desk so I could scoot my monitor back - it shouldn’t be an issue with it structurally right? I normally have it on the main desk scooted back as close to the front ledge as it will go back…but my monitor has always been in front of the speakers and I suspect futzing with sound…so I’d like to cut that center part of the ledge off and scoot it back to at least be even with the speakers. I'm not at all convinced about small computer monitors messing with the sound. My wife helped me double blind ABX test my 24" monitor being placed between my ATC 25's (which are set back on proper stands in a 5ft triangle with my sitting position) I was blind folded and led into the studio onto my seat and music played back and I had to determine if the 24" Dell monitor was there on the desk or not. We repeated the process about 20 times (crazy I know) and I had to say THERE - NOT THERE and my lovely patient wife recorded the result. It was great myth busting experience for me, I was just guessing - there was absolutely no way I could tell if the PC monitor was there or not. To verify, the 24" monitor does not cover up any part pf my ATC 25's as the tweeters and mids are placed approx. 4 feet apart and the bass drivers 5 feet apart. So there it is - in my world, in my studio, my 24" PC monitor is completely invisible to my ears when placed in front of ATC 25's which are set back on stands. But you completely missed the point here - an excuse to use power tools! |
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Post by teejay on Feb 28, 2024 8:55:42 GMT -6
I know this…I have a ton more space and my reading glasses work better. My first thought was it was a little dark now that it’s farther away…I need to maybe think about a new monitor. One more sidebar. If you're using regular reading glasses and not ones that are factored for computer usage you may want to look into that. I primarily wear glasses only to read, but the glasses I wear for work (3 monitors all day) are specific to having monitors out in front. Whether you get them from your eye doctor or order online at a place like eyebuydirect, etc., you can use your prescription (if you have one) and specify they're for computer usage. It takes into account the distance between you and the monitor, which regular reading glasses do not. |
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Post by bradd on Feb 28, 2024 9:04:28 GMT -6
"I is not handy" is one of my defining characteristics.
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