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Post by Quint on May 6, 2024 13:01:20 GMT -6
But is it a convenience/ease of use/practicality thing, or do you actually feel like it sounds just as good as hardware? Not even API, specifically. Just hardware, in general, and all of the sort of tone, 3-D etc. that comes with it. Tough question, I realize. I'm just genuinely curious to hear your thoughts on the matter, as I would trust your opinion on this. Ultimately, I'm gonna test it out myself, but I don't have an API console to compare against, so I'm still curious to hear others opinions, and I believe you have worked on API vintage consoles before, and also just generally are well versed in hardware. Yep work regularly (and teach!) on legacy + desks, and used to own a 32ch 1608 at my own studio. Id say the plug sounds as good as hardware, yes. But to be honest, that answer would require a bit of an essay to fully explain so take it with a grain of salt! I completely get it, about the essay. I was just looking for a quick yes or no, if that was possible. And it sounds like you're a yes. It certainly doesn't do anything to dissuade me from my interest in the plugin. I could totally see where I might just get rid of the UAD API summing on busses in Luna, and replace it with the P455. Then use the UAD API Vision on each channel during tracking, with the possibility of ultimately replacing each of the Vision channel strips with the P450, come mix time. I was always really a fan of how the first Foo Fighters record sounded, and that was done on a Heider API, I believe, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is supposed to be the same console where this sidecar was parted out from. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 6, 2024 13:11:08 GMT -6
Yep work regularly (and teach!) on legacy + desks, and used to own a 32ch 1608 at my own studio. Id say the plug sounds as good as hardware, yes. But to be honest, that answer would require a bit of an essay to fully explain so take it with a grain of salt! I completely get it, about the essay. I was just looking for a quick yes or no, if that was possible. And it sounds like you're a yes. It certainly doesn't do anything to dissuade me from my interest in the plugin. I could totally see where I might just get rid of the UAD API summing on busses in Luna, and replace it with the P455. Then use the UAD API Vision on each channel during tracking, with the possibility of ultimately replacing each of the Vision channel strips with the P450, come mix time. I was always really a fan of how the first Foo Fighters record sounded, and that was done on a Heider API, I believe, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is supposed to be the same console where this sidecar was parted out from. Ive never had the pleasure of working on a heider desk, but I did spend a couple years at a studio that had a four pack of heider 312s racked up and ooooooh boy they were sweet🤩 |
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2024 13:25:11 GMT -6
I completely get it, about the essay. I was just looking for a quick yes or no, if that was possible. And it sounds like you're a yes. It certainly doesn't do anything to dissuade me from my interest in the plugin. I could totally see where I might just get rid of the UAD API summing on busses in Luna, and replace it with the P455. Then use the UAD API Vision on each channel during tracking, with the possibility of ultimately replacing each of the Vision channel strips with the P450, come mix time. I was always really a fan of how the first Foo Fighters record sounded, and that was done on a Heider API, I believe, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is supposed to be the same console where this sidecar was parted out from. Ive never had the pleasure of working on a heider desk, but I did spend a couple years at a studio that had a four pack of heider 312s racked up and ooooooh boy they were sweet🤩 I need to pick up at least a pair of the CAPI Heiders one of these days. |
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Post by andersmv on May 6, 2024 16:55:15 GMT -6
I’ve got a comparison to my API console in the video from the first post in this thread (in case you missed it).
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Post by Quint on May 6, 2024 19:57:09 GMT -6
I’ve got a comparison to my API console in the video from the first post in this thread (in case you missed it). I'd already watched it. Twice.  |
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Post by phantom on May 6, 2024 21:01:51 GMT -6
I’ve got a comparison to my API console in the video from the first post in this thread (in case you missed it). Are you still using the sidecar? How you feel now about it? |
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Post by andersmv on May 6, 2024 22:50:03 GMT -6
I’ve got a comparison to my API console in the video from the first post in this thread (in case you missed it). Are you still using the sidecar? How you feel now about it? I still really love it, pretty much all I use on my drum bus now. There have been a handful of mixes where I wanted something super vibey and thick on my mix bus and have just thrown it on the master instead of using my API Box. That 8 channel can bit a bit much sometimes, other times it just hits the spot. |
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Post by Quint on May 7, 2024 5:27:54 GMT -6
That's two people in this thread, both whom currently/previously own an API console, that they say they love the Pulsar and have it parked on drums. Hmm... I've gotta demo this soon.
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Post by andersmv on May 7, 2024 6:52:41 GMT -6
That's two people in this thread, both whom currently/previously own an API console, that they say they love the Pulsar and have it parked on drums. Hmm... I've gotta demo this soon. Im on plug-in overload, I absolutely did not need something else like this right now. I almost blew off Ziad when he asked me to check this out, I’m glad I didn’t. Took about 20 minutes to realize it was really good, the guy hustles and cares about what people say as far as feedback. Still a newer company for me, but after a few interactions I knew he was someone I would work more with. He’s got a bunch of other cool thing coming up, his transformer plugins are really nice as well. Give this a try… |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 7, 2024 9:21:03 GMT -6
Ive never had the pleasure of working on a heider desk, but I did spend a couple years at a studio that had a four pack of heider 312s racked up and ooooooh boy they were sweet🤩 Is the Heider desk you guys are talking the DiMedio? |
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Post by Quint on May 7, 2024 11:40:11 GMT -6
Ive never had the pleasure of working on a heider desk, but I did spend a couple years at a studio that had a four pack of heider 312s racked up and ooooooh boy they were sweet🤩 Is the Heider desk you guys are talking the DiMedio? Yes |
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Post by Darren Boling on May 7, 2024 12:31:58 GMT -6
Is the Heider desk you guys are talking the DiMedio? Yes Nice, my buddy just got one of those. Even as a big Pulsar Modular fan I hadn't gotten around to testing this yet. Guess it's time. |
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Post by russellcreekps on May 7, 2024 17:11:45 GMT -6
That's two people in this thread, both whom currently/previously own an API console, that they say they love the Pulsar and have it parked on drums. Hmm... I've gotta demo this soon. Im on plug-in overload, I absolutely did not need something else like this right now. I almost blew off Ziad when he asked me to check this out, I’m glad I didn’t. Took about 20 minutes to realize it was really good, the guy hustles and cares about what people say as far as feedback. Still a newer company for me, but after a few interactions I knew he was someone I would work more with. He’s got a bunch of other cool thing coming up, his transformer plugins are really nice as well. Give this a try… I’m glad you didn’t either, your review was spot on and another one that sealed the deal for me…I love this plug! I haven’t read the whole thread so forgive me if repeating, but I really like using the EQ on every bus then the sidecar on the master. Have yet to run the sidecar in 2 channel on each bus and 8 channel on the master cuz I don’t think I’ll have the CPU power with all the other plugs I’m running. Running a maxed out M1 Mac mini….Next on the wish list is a maxed out Mac Studio. |
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Post by christophert on May 7, 2024 17:32:10 GMT -6
Tried the demo yesterday, I had a album mix almost in the final stages, and threw this on the drum buss and the master.
The mix bus already had 2 Coils and a Fairchild inserted at the end of the chain.
This really sounds like hardware more than software. The stereo image is excellent, weighty and forward. The EQ is really good for broad stroke, and again to me sounds like good API hardware. No time to check out the compressor yet.
Whatever the programmer is doing, it is next level, this fills a long time missing hole in my plugins that I have never been able to get : API line amps, console attitude with heaps of control over drive amount /saturation and color + API 5500 EQ that sounds realistically like hardware. Demo time is very generous.
Recommended !
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 16:49:07 GMT -6
So there’s Pulsar Modular. And Pulsar. And they both make plugins? I am so confused. Cheers, Geoff One is modular |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 16:53:49 GMT -6
The guy in the video said he had done a previous video comparing UA to his board, so they must have been vision? I did a super long 3 part video series comparing my Box Console to the Vision Channel Strip. I went super deep deep with a mic splitter and recorded a whole song sending everything to the console as well as the UAD preamps with the Vision Channel Strip on it with similar settings (preamp, eq and compression both analog and the plugin on every track). I even finished everything with Luna Summing and the Analog console mix. I don't want to hijack the thread, but there's PLENTY to digest with over an hour of content and full session files. I was tired of some of the big YouTube channels kind of toying with comparisons and ultimately "phoning it in" trying to do similar things. I went all out, and not to sound cocky, but I don't think you could be any more thorough than that short of redoing what I did on the exact vintage Vision console UA used to do the plugin. It was too bad I didn't get as much traction as I was hoping with that one, as I literally spent months of work on that. UA ended up taking a lot of issues with my methodology at the end and copp'ed out on sharing any of it because they felt like there was too much of a different between Vintage and Modern API. Meh, anyway... This Pulsar Modular plugin  Got a link? I’d assume it didn’t live up to the hype? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 16:57:11 GMT -6
Sounds pretty cool at first listen. But, only works on stereo tracks? I just noticed that. I've only been using it on groups and the master so far, I'll ask Ziad about it. Figured that out too…wanted to use it on bass…don’t want to add another bus though. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 17:04:59 GMT -6
I couldn’t really find the ‘special’ in this when I demo’d it. Not sure if I was using it in the way that’s supposed to bring that out though. It seemed like kind of an odd setup. I should give it some more time because some people seem to really dig it. For what it's worth, and if you haven't read it, the GS thread for this plugin has a lot of good discussion and suggestions on how to use and gain stage this plugin. The gain staging seems to be particularly important, while also maybe being a little unorthodox, so I could see how someone might miss the "special" on a first demo. I'm going to be sure to go thru that thread again whenever I demo this, and try out the settings, as suggested. Wanna tell me what that is so I don’t have to go over there? |
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Post by Quint on Jun 17, 2024 17:13:30 GMT -6
For what it's worth, and if you haven't read it, the GS thread for this plugin has a lot of good discussion and suggestions on how to use and gain stage this plugin. The gain staging seems to be particularly important, while also maybe being a little unorthodox, so I could see how someone might miss the "special" on a first demo. I'm going to be sure to go thru that thread again whenever I demo this, and try out the settings, as suggested. Wanna tell me what that is so I don’t have to go over there? I don't know that it was any one post or anything. I think I remember just generally coming across some good discussion about how to set the P455 up, throughout that thread. I'll see if I can remember any specific post that seemed particularly useful. It was the thread below, if that part wasn't clear, but I get not wanting to go over there. gearspace.com/board/product-alerts-older-than-2-months/1424010-pulsar-modular-marc-daniel-nelson-introduce-p450-p455-mdn-plugin-bundle-61.html#post17058901 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 17:15:34 GMT -6
Was reading through the thread before I typed this…
Just demo’d this today.
When I first level matched this, I was having a hard time really hearing a huge difference…(I need to read the manual) But when you start driving the input and making the comp move a little more, this thing is freaking awesome. I really think I’m retiring Capital Compressor and SPL Iron on the 2 bus. The compressor straight up sounds like hw to me. The knobs do what they say they do…and that’s not always the case with other plugs. The attack actually works. You can really control a snare with it on Drumbus…
I’m definitely hearing more punch than other stuff I use…I’ve been using it after my HW 1178, so I need to try it by itself - but I love the subtle tone improvement…some of those eq moves on the Drumbus presets weren’t intuitive to me - but they sound great.
This has me all hot and bothered but I might try and survive until a sale.
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Post by Quint on Jun 17, 2024 17:27:45 GMT -6
Was reading through the thread before I typed this… Just demo’d this today. When I first level matched this, I was having a hard time really hearing a huge difference…(I need to read the manual) But when you start driving the input and making the comp move a little more, this thing is freaking awesome. I really think I’m retiring Capital Compressor and SPL Iron on the 2 bus. The compressor straight up sounds like hw to me. The knobs do what they say they do…and that’s not always the case with other plugs. The attack actually works. You can really control a snare with it on Drumbus… I’m definitely hearing more punch than other stuff I use…I’ve been using it after my HW 1178, so I need to try it by itself - but I love the subtle tone improvement…some of those eq moves on the Drumbus presets weren’t intuitive to me - but they sound great. This has me all hot and bothered but I might try and survive until a sale. I don't recall the specific post, as there's 61 pages, but I do remember either MDN or Ziad (Mr. Pulsar) going into the signal flow and gain staging in depth. It was the sort of info that, once armed with that info, you ought to have a much better idea on how/when/where to gain this plugin. Edit: starting on page 16 of that thread, there seems to be a pretty good discussion about signal flow. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 17, 2024 17:43:04 GMT -6
@johnkenn yup expensive but it’s a few plugs in one really . The only thing I wish for (sent an email to Ziad) is the option to bypass the DA, have a B2 Bomber already, but really it still sounds sweet as F! |
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Post by geoff738 on Jun 17, 2024 18:08:56 GMT -6
So there’s Pulsar Modular. And Pulsar. And they both make plugins? I am so confused. Cheers, Geoff One is modular Apparently. Then there’s Waves and Wave Factory and Acustica and Acoustica I think. I remain confused. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 17, 2024 19:04:45 GMT -6
Apparently. Then there’s Waves and Wave Factory and Acustica and Acoustica I think. I remain confused. Cheers, Geoff Neve/Behringer… |
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 17, 2024 19:16:22 GMT -6
Yeah I’ve been watching this one, hoping for a sale
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