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Post by maldenfilms on Feb 23, 2024 17:42:27 GMT -6
I think you guys are both gonna love it. I also need to give praise to their customer service. If you need anything, Anton will take care of you. He did a remote-in to my system from the AIRPLANE on the flight to NAMM! I met the team at NAMM and they're super nice too.
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Post by RealNoob on Feb 23, 2024 17:45:08 GMT -6
I run SW at about 70-80%. GLM on Genney's is just what it is - full on.
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 23, 2024 18:14:25 GMT -6
Unlike sonarworks there is no systemwide version so as I said it’s a major downside of arc and for me personally latency or cpu is always a potential factor. I generally prefer HW or speaker inbuilt if possible.. Totally - I do see the hardware option as a bonus. I'd rather not have my computer having to do the corrections if possible. Just seems cleaner to me if there's a dedicated box for this kind of "always on" process. Though I wish it had digital I/O so I could hear my own converters instead of theirs. [...] As DR bill said sort out the room first and I see room correction as icing on the cake. It’s not a solve all solution for shitty everything. True, but I don't hear anyone on this thread saying "room treatment is overrated! Just get Sonarworks/ARC/Trinnov/Dirac!"
I think the gold standard would be to run one of these programs and it says, "nothing needs to be fixed," but that's just not reality for the vast majority of folks here. I'd love to be able to build a dedicated room/studio, but that's not a possibility for me, at least not right now.
Thing is even from the ground up dedicated studio's can be +-6 dB out and let's not be too semantic I wasn't saying otherwise  .. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 23, 2024 18:49:35 GMT -6
I think you guys are both gonna love it. I also need to give praise to their customer service. If you need anything, Anton will take care of you. He did a remote-in to my system from the AIRPLANE on the flight to NAMM! I met the team at NAMM and they're super nice too. Tom B too |
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 24, 2024 4:00:56 GMT -6
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Post by subspace on Feb 24, 2024 10:24:18 GMT -6
Bought.
Already had ARC 3, nice measurement wizard when compared against my REW captures, lots of HF boost on the IK mic but it works well with their software. The box and software upgrade was only $175 after jam points since I had the old version and mic already.
1.4ms latency in natural mode will make this usable with my hybrid mix rig, possibly tracking too. May even consider adding more boxes, as I used an ARC capture matched in DSP for my live rig's system tuning and $175 per stereo mix ain't bad. We'll see when this one gets delivered.
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Post by andersmv on Feb 24, 2024 14:58:07 GMT -6
I think I paid the same for the Sonarworks package with the mic in it. It makes this an even more appealing choice as it comes with the external box as well. Some will probably think the opposite as more conversion = degradation of your pure, virgin tone. It's a good deal.
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Post by Quint on Feb 24, 2024 17:20:05 GMT -6
I would demo Arc against something purely software like Sonarworks if I was considering it (Arc). I haven't watched any of the Arc stuff, but why do I need to stick their hardware in my monitoring chain in order to run their DSP when I already have a native OS perfectly capable of running DSP (like Sonarworks does)? That's my contention. I've never messed with room correction, but I've been interested in trying it for a while now. I'm just wondering if I want to try it with a $299 box, considering how much more expensive the gear would be on either side of it. I mean, I just spend $5k on a new pair of monitors. Do I really want to run that signal chain thru a cheapo pair of AD/DA? The standalone hardware box actually does appeal to me, for the same reason that Anders gave, which is that it just runs in the background, and doesn't require any CPU overhead in my DAW, not to mention that I could feed it anything out of my monitor controller, regardless of its origin (digital OR analog). It's just the AD/DA that is putting me off. Those can't be high quality AD/DA in that little ARC box. But I would be interested in something like the Dirac or Trinnov. I'd have to try something like Sonarworks first to see if I was even interested though. At least that wouldn't be a super expensive experiment. |
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Post by Quint on Feb 24, 2024 17:22:38 GMT -6
Unlike sonarworks there is no systemwide version so as I said it’s a major downside of arc and for me personally latency or cpu is always a potential factor. I generally prefer HW or speaker inbuilt if possible.. Totally - I do see the hardware option as a bonus. I'd rather not have my computer having to do the corrections if possible. Just seems cleaner to me if there's a dedicated box for this kind of "always on" process. Though I wish it had digital I/O so I could hear my own converters instead of theirs. [...] As DR bill said sort out the room first and I see room correction as icing on the cake. It’s not a solve all solution for shitty everything. True, but I don't hear anyone on this thread saying "room treatment is overrated! Just get Sonarworks/ARC/Trinnov/Dirac!"
I think the gold standard would be to run one of these programs and it says, "nothing needs to be fixed," but that's just not reality for the vast majority of folks here. I'd love to be able to build a dedicated room/studio, but that's not a possibility for me, at least not right now.
Agreed. If this had digital I/O, I'd be much more interested. |
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Post by ml on Feb 25, 2024 8:19:19 GMT -6
I’ve been waiting for something like this, I wonder if sonarworks will be offering their own box? Sonarworks makes my speakers noticeably clearer in the low mids, but for me it adds this annoying nasal quality in the 2K range.
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Post by dok on Feb 25, 2024 12:01:51 GMT -6
I’ve been waiting for something like this, I wonder if sonarworks will be offering their own box? Sonarworks makes my speakers noticeably clearer in the low mids, but for me it adds this annoying nasal quality in the 2K range. You can edit the Sonarworks curve(s) to remove that just FYI. OR maybe that's what your speakers sound like when EQd flat  |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 26, 2024 11:40:17 GMT -6
I am very tempted to give this a shot. I too am concerned about another AD/DA conversion but Sonarworks is bugging me lately. I had months of crashes with their newest version and finally got my system stable again after running the beta from July 2023. But... I've had a few crashes again in the last few days, so something isn't happy again. I'm sure Trinnov is better by far but the price tag on it puts me off.
As far as sound quality goes, I have not had a problem with Sonarworks. It has helped me immensely. I'd stay with it if it wasn't so damned buggy. Having the room correction in a seperate box makes a lot of sense to me.
Personaly, I wouldn't want to mix without room correction of some sort. That could even be REW and an outboard EQ. I just can't train my brain to think there is 90HZ, when the room is cutting it by 7dB and then bumping 40HZ. I don't want to do mental gymnastics to mix. I just want to hear EXACTLY what is recorded so I can mix it and be done. With Sonarworks, I never have had to do a car reference. My mixes just sound "right" now. But, if I could avoid the bugs in Sonarworks, I'm all for it.
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Post by tasteliketape on Feb 26, 2024 16:09:46 GMT -6
I called Seeetwater today just asking if the IK ARC was returnable if it wasn’t right for me . My rep said it was.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 26, 2024 17:51:27 GMT -6
For those questioning if the DAC is going to be worth it (myself included)…
I guess the real thing you have to buy into is do you trust the room correction and speaker adjustment?
If the answer is yes, then I don't know if you require a fancy DAC. We all know that the days of really problematic converters are over. If the ARC software is making it so you can trust your speakers all that much more, how much more can the DAC be doing?
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2024 20:26:32 GMT -6
For those questioning if the DAC is going to be worth it (myself included)… I guess the real thing you have to buy into is do you trust the room correction and speaker adjustment? If the answer is yes, then I don't know if you require a fancy DAC. We all know that the days of really problematic converters are over. If the ARC software is making it so you can trust your speakers all that much more, how much more can the DAC be doing? I'll admit that it's been 5 years or so, and I've not done any D/A listening tests since that time, but dropping the Grace M905 into my monitoring chain was jaw dropping. Made a huge difference. I'm not sure what the "state of the art" is in average pro interfaces these days..... But for me, the Grace D/A made a much more unexpected difference than any A/D I've ever did. I'd have a very hard time believing that a $300 box could pull off the clarity and definition of the grace - aside from it's other useful workflow features. |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 27, 2024 7:39:38 GMT -6
I've got Lynx Aurora (n) converters and that is why I haven't jumped on this yet. But I'm still super tempted just so I can stop dealing with random crashes. For me, when Sonarworks is functioning, its great and helps me mix in my not so perfect studio. If I could get the same thing without bugs, I'm all for it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 27, 2024 7:49:28 GMT -6
If Sweetwater let’s you return, no harm trying?
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Post by ragan on Feb 27, 2024 10:24:32 GMT -6
I’d be frustrated if Sonarworks was buggy for me too. I don’t think (?) I’ve ever had an issue with it, don’t even really think about it, it’s just On.
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Post by mcirish on Feb 27, 2024 10:47:05 GMT -6
I’d be frustrated if Sonarworks was buggy for me too. I don’t think (?) I’ve ever had an issue with it, don’t even really think about it, it’s just On. Are you on a Mac? I'm on a PC windows 11. I had lots of trouble with their last few updates and found that only the one beta from last summer worked. I'm in Nuendo. That may have something to do with it too. Hard to say. For months I had random "poof" crashes. No dump file. Nuendo would just suddenly quit. Finally found some IT tools to create dump files even with a poof crash. Sure enough, it was Sonarworks that caused it. Now that I switched to the older beta, I didn't have any crashes for weeks, until the last few days. Maybe it isn't Sonarworks this time, but it might be nice to not have to even think about it ever again. |
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Post by andersmv on Feb 27, 2024 10:55:57 GMT -6
Sonarworks went completely wonky on my when I upgraded to my Mac Studio last year. I upgraded trying to get it to work better in ProTools (still running it in rosetta) and ended up just going back to Reference 4 for systemwide and the plugin. All that crap aside, I'm just tired of the workflow hoops I have to jump through. That's not Sonarworks fault, it's just the nature of this type of thing by default. Having it outboarded like this in a "set and forget" manner is going to make my life SO much easier. It's just impossible to get something like Sonarworks to function conveniently when you're running the UA Apollo Console as well as a real analog console in tandem (especially during tracking sessions).
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Post by Quint on Feb 27, 2024 11:51:31 GMT -6
Sonarworks went completely wonky on my when I upgraded to my Mac Studio last year. I upgraded trying to get it to work better in ProTools (still running it in rosetta) and ended up just going back to Reference 4 for systemwide and the plugin. All that crap aside, I'm just tired of the workflow hoops I have to jump through. That's not Sonarworks fault, it's just the nature of this type of thing by default. Having it outboarded like this in a "set and forget" manner is going to make my life SO much easier. It's just impossible to get something like Sonarworks to function conveniently when you're running the UA Apollo Console as well as a real analog console in tandem (especially during tracking sessions). Yeah, agreed. I've never messed with room correction but, if I ever did, a standalone box is probably the only solution that interests me, for all of the reasons you described. Also, I'd want to be able to run analog sources thru it too, which you can't really do when the room correction software is inside your DAW. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 27, 2024 12:03:14 GMT -6
Sonarworks went completely wonky on my when I upgraded to my Mac Studio last year. I upgraded trying to get it to work better in ProTools (still running it in rosetta) and ended up just going back to Reference 4 for systemwide and the plugin. All that crap aside, I'm just tired of the workflow hoops I have to jump through. That's not Sonarworks fault, it's just the nature of this type of thing by default. Having it outboarded like this in a "set and forget" manner is going to make my life SO much easier. It's just impossible to get something like Sonarworks to function conveniently when you're running the UA Apollo Console as well as a real analog console in tandem (especially during tracking sessions). Yeah, agreed. I've never messed with room correction but, if I ever did, a standalone box is probably the only solution that interests me, for all of the reasons you described. Also, I'd want to be able to run analog sources thru it too, which you can't really do when the room correction software is inside your DAW. Ditto. I don't need it in the current room, but if I every need it, a standalone system would be essential for me as well. |
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Post by christopher on Feb 27, 2024 12:03:59 GMT -6
I got excited thinking it might have RCA and 1/8” inputs! But no..
Would have been a no brainer, the hoops I jump through to play my phone on the monitors…
Edit: I assume the little USB connector is just for connecting to PC? I wonder if it can possibly a phone direct..
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Post by Quint on Feb 27, 2024 18:39:07 GMT -6
Considering what some of these room correction systems cost, I wonder why you couldn't just rig up a little Mac Mini, with an AES/spdif I/O interface of your choosing, Run the Sonarworks or ARC software or whatever on that. Then use your converters of choice.
Can Sonarworks work in some kind of standalone mode, where you don't need to host it in a DAW?
If a host is required you could run it in Reaper, because of it's relatively small CPU overhead, or maybe even run it inside Bluecat Patchwork, to get as low latency as possible.
It's gotta be cheaper than some of these multi thousand dollar solutions. Plus, then you could try out different room correction software without having to buy each of their hardware boxes to demo (for those companies that offer both software AND hardware options).
Hell, you could even get one of the little Stream Deck 15 key models to change profiles without even having to look at a screen.
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Post by teejay on Feb 27, 2024 19:41:30 GMT -6
I’d love to try this box. However, I’m still on Windows 7, and I’m not sure if my PC will handle the upgrade. Not to mention getting my RME Multiface II and all of my older Waves files back up and running.
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