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Post by doubledog on Feb 22, 2024 11:58:57 GMT -6
Anyone else use the YouLean Loudness Meter? Even the free one is pretty useful, but I think it's worth buying. Anyway, was just checking out some commercial releases from the last couple decades (while comparing to a mix I'm working on for someone). Here's a couple (will try not to clog up the works with too many pictures). The 2000's were insane when it came to loudness levels and overshooting. Glad to see more recent stuff is better... Anyway, all you have to do is drop a WAV (or mp3, but then...) on it and it will analyze it for you. I find it extremely helpful. Rhianna - Umbrella (peaks are +2.5 over 0!!!)  Black Pumas - Colors (a respectable -0.5)  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2024 12:46:47 GMT -6
I get confused with LU and LUFS...Is Integrated the one to look at there? Looks like it's 8.3 LU for the Rhianna and 9.x with the other...Is that the same as LUFS? If so, I see just about every song on itunes going way louder than that.
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Post by bossanova on Feb 22, 2024 12:51:11 GMT -6
Anyone else use the YouLean Loudness Meter? Even the free one is pretty useful, but I think it's worth buying. Anyway, was just checking out some commercial releases from the last couple decades (while comparing to a mix I'm working on for someone). Here's a couple (will try not to clog up the works with too many pictures). The 2000's were insane when it came to loudness levels and overshooting. Glad to see more recent stuff is better... Anyway, all you have to do is drop a WAV (or mp3, but then...) on it and it will analyze it for you. I find it extremely helpful. Rhianna - Umbrella (peaks are +2.5 over 0!!!) View AttachmentBlack Pumas - Colors (a respectable -0.5) View AttachmentA year-ish ago I had a thread within a thread of YouLean charts from the 90s to show how dynamic range was shrinking year to year. It’s a great tool. Added: first page of this one realgearonline.com/thread/14170/working-levels-low |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 22, 2024 13:01:51 GMT -6
Anyone else use the YouLean Loudness Meter? Even the free one is pretty useful, but I think it's worth buying. Anyway, was just checking out some commercial releases from the last couple decades (while comparing to a mix I'm working on for someone). Here's a couple (will try not to clog up the works with too many pictures). The 2000's were insane when it came to loudness levels and overshooting. Glad to see more recent stuff is better... Anyway, all you have to do is drop a WAV (or mp3, but then...) on it and it will analyze it for you. I find it extremely helpful. Rhianna - Umbrella (peaks are +2.5 over 0!!!) View AttachmentBlack Pumas - Colors (a respectable -0.5) View AttachmentA year-ish ago I had a thread within a thread of YouLean charts from the 90s to show how dynamic range was shrinking year to year. It’s a great tool. Added: first page of this one realgearonline.com/thread/14170/working-levels-lowWow - thanks for doing those...that's pretty amazing. |
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Post by mcirish on Feb 22, 2024 15:20:04 GMT -6
I use Youlean Loudness Meter 2 all the time (paid version). It's a great tool to see where releases are at. I like that you can just drop a wav file on it and it gives all the info without having to play anything back. I have a ton of loudness meters but this is the one I always use.
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Post by srb on Feb 22, 2024 19:29:04 GMT -6
I find it useful, too. ADPTR Metric AB is a nice tool as well.
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Post by OtisGreying on Feb 23, 2024 0:13:55 GMT -6
I use Youlean Loudness Meter 2 all the time (paid version). It's a great tool to see where releases are at. I like that you can just drop a wav file on it and it gives all the info without having to play anything back. I have a ton of loudness meters but this is the one I always use. Doesn't the paid version allow you to simulate what normalization certain streaming services will apply to your mix? Spotify, apple etc.
That'd be pretty useful if its accurate
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Post by doubledog on Feb 23, 2024 9:03:44 GMT -6
I use Youlean Loudness Meter 2 all the time (paid version). It's a great tool to see where releases are at. I like that you can just drop a wav file on it and it gives all the info without having to play anything back. I have a ton of loudness meters but this is the one I always use. Doesn't the paid version allow you to simulate what normalization certain streaming services will apply to your mix? Spotify, apple etc.
That'd be pretty useful if its accurate
I don't know if it will simulate anything, but you can choose just about any popular streaming platform from the settings, it will set the thresholds and alerts for that, and show where your mix falls. So if you choose the Spotify preset, and Spotify says that -14 LUFS is their top limit, then YLM will show you if your mix is exceeding that (with different colors in the graph). |
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Post by doubledog on Feb 23, 2024 9:11:36 GMT -6
I get confused with LU and LUFS...Is Integrated the one to look at there? Looks like it's 8.3 LU for the Rhianna and 9.x with the other...Is that the same as LUFS? If so, I see just about every song on itunes going way louder than that. my understanding... LUFS (loudness units full scale) is always negative, since it is expressed below 0.0 (full scale), whereas LU is just loudness units, or an amount, but not necessarily relative to 0. So yeah, "integrated" is sort of the average across the song. The true peak max is where a lot of mastering let through intersample peaks (that went undetected with some digital mastering limiters) and can cause distortion and such (especially when the streaming platforms process and normalize the tracks further). But dynamic range is important too (or not if you are Metallica). And the streaming platforms, well they can do whatever they want right? They publish specs and limits, but is that what they really do? I don't know. And is that an even playing field for everyone or do some labels (that don't go through distributors like CD Baby and Distrokid) get treated differently - meaning their songs might be louder? Would not surprise me. Money always talks. |
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