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Post by jampa on Feb 13, 2024 19:43:03 GMT -6
Sometimes use the restoration tools (declick, declip, denoise, etc.) at pre-mix stage
Use the Ozone imager and limiter for mastering
Use the RX for batch processing (e.g., resample, dither and truncate)
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 13, 2024 19:56:19 GMT -6
I use RX on almost every song. Usually I'm manually editing on clicks/mouth sounds/other weird unexplained noises. It takes 5 seconds to do. Music Rebalance has been a real life saver at time, Spectral De-Noise is wonderful for amps and noisy keyboards, De-Plosive sounds more natural than a high pass filter on plosives. I don't use Ozone for anything. I like the sound of the Exponential Audio plugins but they are a bit "dense" for me. If you like being tweaky they are great, or they have hundreds of presets to explore. I actually got into Izotope for RX but I could never really get the stuff to work as well as I remember seeing it work for a producer buddy who blew my mind with it. Maybe the lite version is too light. I'm still on RX 8 and even the modules it comes with (like de-click) never seem to do what they say they will do... e.g., remove clicks. Also possibly I suck at using them. This is my experience, too. It never seems to work as well as I think it should. I would go so far as to say that at least 60-70% of the time when I use RX for de-noising of some kind, I end up liking the original, un-effected version better than the RX'd version, even when the original has real problems. I certainly still think it's possible that I just suck at using it, but I have actually put in a fair bit of time with it. And I have found some other tools that I like for de-noising, so it's not just that my ears don't like de-noising algorithms in general.
I would also say that my RX usage tends to be more often in NLEs than in DAWs (maybe 65% vs. 35%?), and it's a total crapshoot on any given day whether RX is actually even going to pass audio in Final Cut without causing a crash, whereas the Acoustica plugins just work fine without any real issue. And the native Voice Isolation in Final Cut actually smokes the RX Voice Denoise plugin at least 80% of the time.
I don't know, maybe I'm being too negative. Or maybe it's all my fault for not using it right??
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 13, 2024 19:58:38 GMT -6
I use RX and Ozone ALL over the place. Incredibly powerful tools. Ozone Matching EQ, RX De-noise, de-clip, de-click... highly underrated and awesome.
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Post by mcirish on Feb 13, 2024 20:17:08 GMT -6
I have most of their products but like so many others, I rarely use it. Sometimes the maximizer on masters. I use Spectralayers in Nuendo for all my RX type cleanup. Much easier because it's built in. I took have some odd license issue with ozone 11. Haven't bothered figuring it all out yet. I just don't use it much.
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Post by nicksteinborn on Feb 13, 2024 20:38:41 GMT -6
I use the match EQ and a few of the RX guys pretty often when those things are needed. Sometimes I try random plugins for stuff. The AI mastering in Ozone can be cool. I tend to like the dynamic eq it builds. It always tries to toss an EQ up front with a huge treble boost and a multiband compressor seemingly hitting 5-10db on each band for whatever reason, but I get rid of those if I use it. Imager and Sculptor can be pretty cool. Insight and Tonal Balance are always nice for quick references as well.
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Post by bgrotto on Feb 13, 2024 20:58:56 GMT -6
Rx as needed on most every project.
Occasionally I’ll fire up ozone on the mix buss to see if I can glean any interesting insights. When I do, I’d say half the time I revisit channels to make tweaks, then turn off ozone. The other half I just leave it in place. I particularly like the imager here, btw.
Tonal balance control and insight are permanent fixtures. Love them. So handy.
I’m a beta tester and have been working with some new products that are pretty cool…some of them may yet just end up in my regular rotation.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 21:14:02 GMT -6
Ok, are any of you RX lovers using the light version? Maybe that's the problem. Like the other mark williams it's not for lack of trying that I can't make these work. They're what I bought Izotope for to begin with! |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 13, 2024 21:41:52 GMT -6
Ok, are any of you RX lovers using the light version? Maybe that's the problem. Like the other mark williams it's not for lack of trying that I can't make these work. They're what I bought Izotope for to begin with! I’m on Standard, FWIW. Not light. |
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Post by bgrotto on Feb 13, 2024 22:07:19 GMT -6
Ok, are any of you RX lovers using the light version? Maybe that's the problem. Like the other mark williams it's not for lack of trying that I can't make these work. They're what I bought Izotope for to begin with! I’ve got the full version. |
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Post by noob on Feb 13, 2024 22:16:29 GMT -6
Ok, are any of you RX lovers using the light version? Maybe that's the problem. Like the other mark williams it's not for lack of trying that I can't make these work. They're what I bought Izotope for to begin with! It depends how heavy handed the work is you're trying to do with it. With RX, I find it useful with small imperfections, but anything blatant cannot be completely saved, unless you can do so manually with automation. For example, a few clicks and pops on vocals are easy to attenuate. However, if you have a heavy hiss or buzz in a signal, and you go heavy handed with the RX, it'll inevitably impart some destruction on the original signal. For me, it'll depend on what the sound is. I may be more okay with destruction on a background instrument or bass. If the main vocal has a ton of hiss or noise, there's only so much you can do. But the tools are improving steadily and it seems like they get a bit better with each version. I've noticed version 10 seems to handle these things better than 8, for example. |
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Post by vvvooojjj on Feb 14, 2024 1:07:06 GMT -6
De-click, De-noise, Master Rebalance, RX for resampling and dithering, Neutron Exciter and the limiters from time to time.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 14, 2024 1:31:33 GMT -6
I ask because even though I've had various levels of these tools for a long time, I've only recently started using them at any scale. I kind of thought of Ozone for example as a great way to whip together a rough mix, but I'm starting to see that the quality of some of these modules is higher than I realized. Why not use them more? There's something to be said for having a bunch of modules sitting here in one plugin. For example, I was looking for a Gate and then I thought "huh, I bet Izotope has one I've never used." Sure enough the Neutron gate was just sitting there in my plugin folder and, man, is that thing easy to dial in. So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that? To tell you the truth, I have the WHOLE Izotope suite and haven't used a single piece of it. I bought it during one of those weird "buy the old version for 10$ and get the upgrade for 50$" things they had going on, which saved me a TON of money on the whole bundle, but now there's like 40 versions of the plugs in my folder and some work and some don't and I haven't been interested enough to try to sort it all out because it was such a pain to get it all installed and licensed. IIRC, each plug needed a different license or file or something and it was just a huge hassle. +1 I bought the iZotope package in a crazy upgrade sale and ended up never using any of it. It’s one of the few packages I haven’t reinstalled in my new computer. |
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Post by frans on Feb 14, 2024 2:27:56 GMT -6
Maybe ten years ago a friend turned me on to spectral denoise from Izotope and as my computers aren't that current, that's still what i use most if some denoising is needed. My mental note about Izotope is suffering from the "AI"-plugin marketing BS they did later on and so i never got too deep into what these things do, actually.
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Post by nicksteinborn on Feb 14, 2024 2:30:43 GMT -6
Ok, are any of you RX lovers using the light version? Maybe that's the problem. Like the other mark williams it's not for lack of trying that I can't make these work. They're what I bought Izotope for to begin with! I have RX8 Advanced, Ozone 9 Advanced, Neutron 3, and some other guys so I'm not on the newest stuff, but it is the full version. I sometimes get some pretty dodgy files from people to mix or master and that RX shit can be a life saver. Very effective with plosives/clicks/pops. Removing buzzing/hissing/whatever is a little more delicate. Just dropping it by a few db we spectral denoiser can be enough a lot of the time. I always train it on a section of noise alone. The auto settings can sound a bit low-bitrate mp3ish if you go too hard. And I'm usually using plugins in Cubase. I don't go into RX standalone very often. Master rebalance is also surprisingly effective. I've used it on a number of home recorded/project studio recorded masters if vocals/drums/bass are buried. Looking through my plugins, I forgot about VocalSynth. Sick plugin. Vocoder-y/talkbox filter-y guy. I always forget about Trash 2 because the UI is kinda hideous and it's so old, but I know it can get gnarly. Vocal Doubler and Vinyl are great for those things. I still throw doubler on there pretty often when I'm trying to fake a double or get some width. Iris 2 seems like it could be cool, but I haven't tried it in years since it was a huge CPU hog. Might be better now that I've upgraded my computer probably twice since I tried it. I was able to authorize all my licenses to my ilok as well as computer in the installer and I haven't had any issues with them. Love that all the modules in Ozone/Nectar/Neutron can be used individually. Again, not in every mix, but still great plugins when needed that can save an iffy track. Well, Tonal Balance and Insight live on my control room/master buss inserts. |
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 14, 2024 5:02:08 GMT -6
Oh yeah! Forgot to mention tonal balance and insight in my last post. Great tools. I use RX as well occasionally. Spectral shaper is excellent. Love it on harsh strings and vocals. Mouth de-click really saved the day on a very “clicky” singer once. Never been a fan of de-noise, but it does work in small doses. Some of the more Heavy handed stuff is better to do in the actual app as opposed to opening the plugin. Anyway, great stuff, depending on how you use it. Could I survive without it? Yes. But I could probably make a record with stock Reaper plugs. Actually know a very talented guy who does. Laptop, stock reaper stuff, and KRK monitors. Ears over gear always.
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Post by vintagelove on Feb 14, 2024 14:59:43 GMT -6
They have some excellent stuff, and some real problem solvers.
Obviously the whole rx suite (de-esser, de-plosive, and de-room/reverb get used a lot here).
Nectar has an eq that follows frequencies
The free ozone 11 eq allows you to eq just the transient or the sustain
The maximizer is an excellent low cpu "limiter" option on the low latency mode, and on HQ is fantastic all around.
Neutron gate can be multiband
Ozone's reference function
Insight
Etc.
It has some quality stuff if you dig in.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 14, 2024 22:45:15 GMT -6
Ditto on RX. I like the Imager and Exciter occasionally on busses as well. I also am a fan of their tape plugin, not because it sounds like tape but because it mainly gives you the low bump without too many other tape-y artifacts unlike other plugins. Really works great for kick. Go into TDR Infrasonic with the dynamic bump and even harmonics and you have a massive but tight low end. Vocalsynth and Vinyl are good stunt plugins. Wish they'd do more stuff like that instead of trying to reinvent the wheel with the balancer / auto-mixing stuff. I forgot about vocalsynth, when it works it’s really cool. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 14, 2024 23:11:27 GMT -6
Yes, forgot to mention VocalSynth. Another fantastic plugin. Great for generating harmonies and faking/augmenting group vocals when needed.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 14, 2024 23:27:48 GMT -6
I use Rx frequently. I get sent some weird projects where people will pay me to make something of some of the worst possible practice recordings into something decent. This is the tool to make that possible. Re-balance can work wonders at times.
The Ozone maximizer is one of the best that I've found. And I've been known to try Ozone tape, Vintage EQ, and Vintage compressor.
I actually like what Neutron does often through the assisted stuff. My problem is that I've really worked hard to learn certain other tools and how they build up a chain together. I find when I try iZotope stuff I want to use only that, which makes it hard for me to choose what to leave out.
Overall I really hate how they charge and handle upgrading. I will likely only continue to use Rx because I just feel like the cost to update is too much for too little in the way of changes. But in their defense, they are often updating the roots of their lineup, unlike Waves which may not update something for years and still want you to pay WUP just because of an OS change.
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Post by Blackdawg on Feb 14, 2024 23:41:50 GMT -6
Imo the only tool worth having from them is RX. And thats only if your needing it for those reasons.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 15, 2024 1:53:59 GMT -6
Never, I’ve demoed it a couple of times, never got hooked and just don’t bother with it so never bought.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 15, 2024 13:14:03 GMT -6
Yes, forgot to mention VocalSynth. Another fantastic plugin. Great for generating harmonies and faking/augmenting group vocals when needed. Have you found ways to make it more… naturalistic? Maybe I’m misreading your comment. For me it’s always pretty out there sounding, which is cool for some of the things I do. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 15, 2024 14:09:01 GMT -6
Yes, forgot to mention VocalSynth. Another fantastic plugin. Great for generating harmonies and faking/augmenting group vocals when needed. Have you found ways to make it more… naturalistic? Maybe I’m misreading your comment. For me it’s always pretty out there sounding, which is cool for some of the things I do. Harmonies are kind of tough. Usually passable if they’re mixed low underneath the lead vocal and buried in a dense mix. Group vocals are actually pretty easy. I find that you can just have one vocalist record the same part anywhere from 15 - 30 times, with slight performance variations each time, and then you can throw VocalSynth on a few takes and/or the group vocal bus. Bonus points if you have Avox Choir — put that on every instance with a little group vocal effect from VocalSynth on the bus and it can be super convincing. Also fun to try different doublers, stereo wideners, and room reverbs on the bus or on a send to make it even more realistic. |
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Post by notneeson on Feb 15, 2024 14:41:18 GMT -6
Have you found ways to make it more… naturalistic? Maybe I’m misreading your comment. For me it’s always pretty out there sounding, which is cool for some of the things I do. Harmonies are kind of tough. Usually passable if they’re mixed low underneath the lead vocal and buried in a dense mix. Group vocals are actually pretty easy. I find that you can just have one vocalist record the same part anywhere from 15 - 30 times, with slight performance variations each time, and then you can throw VocalSynth on a few takes and/or the group vocal bus. Bonus points if you have Avox Choir — put that on every instance with a little group vocal effect from VocalSynth on the bus and it can be super convincing. Also fun to try different doublers, stereo wideners, and room reverbs on the bus or on a send to make it even more realistic. Thanks, super interesting approach. I do have Avox, it's my favorite "doubler." |
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Post by nicksteinborn on Feb 15, 2024 14:59:57 GMT -6
Yes, forgot to mention VocalSynth. Another fantastic plugin. Great for generating harmonies and faking/augmenting group vocals when needed. Have you found ways to make it more… naturalistic? Maybe I’m misreading your comment. For me it’s always pretty out there sounding, which is cool for some of the things I do. I like using it in MIDI mode for the kind of obnoxious robot-y nature of it. I want to say I used the vocoder and polyvox modules panned opposite on this with a little bit of the Arturia vocoder blended. If I'm going for convincing harmonies, I'll usually stick to Melodyne or Cubase Variaudio and just try to shift the blocks to the harmony notes while keeping as many of the natural pitch fluctuations as possible. |
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