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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 11:36:26 GMT -6
I ask because even though I've had various levels of these tools for a long time, I've only recently started using them at any scale. I kind of thought of Ozone for example as a great way to whip together a rough mix, but I'm starting to see that the quality of some of these modules is higher than I realized.
Why not use them more? There's something to be said for having a bunch of modules sitting here in one plugin.
For example, I was looking for a Gate and then I thought "huh, I bet Izotope has one I've never used." Sure enough the Neutron gate was just sitting there in my plugin folder and, man, is that thing easy to dial in.
So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that?
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Post by svart on Feb 13, 2024 12:08:28 GMT -6
I ask because even though I've had various levels of these tools for a long time, I've only recently started using them at any scale. I kind of thought of Ozone for example as a great way to whip together a rough mix, but I'm starting to see that the quality of some of these modules is higher than I realized. Why not use them more? There's something to be said for having a bunch of modules sitting here in one plugin. For example, I was looking for a Gate and then I thought "huh, I bet Izotope has one I've never used." Sure enough the Neutron gate was just sitting there in my plugin folder and, man, is that thing easy to dial in. So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that? To tell you the truth, I have the WHOLE Izotope suite and haven't used a single piece of it. I bought it during one of those weird "buy the old version for 10$ and get the upgrade for 50$" things they had going on, which saved me a TON of money on the whole bundle, but now there's like 40 versions of the plugs in my folder and some work and some don't and I haven't been interested enough to try to sort it all out because it was such a pain to get it all installed and licensed. IIRC, each plug needed a different license or file or something and it was just a huge hassle.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 12:12:06 GMT -6
I ask because even though I've had various levels of these tools for a long time, I've only recently started using them at any scale. I kind of thought of Ozone for example as a great way to whip together a rough mix, but I'm starting to see that the quality of some of these modules is higher than I realized. Why not use them more? There's something to be said for having a bunch of modules sitting here in one plugin. For example, I was looking for a Gate and then I thought "huh, I bet Izotope has one I've never used." Sure enough the Neutron gate was just sitting there in my plugin folder and, man, is that thing easy to dial in. So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that? To tell you the truth, I have the WHOLE Izotope suite and haven't used a single piece of it. I bought it during one of those weird "buy the old version for 10$ and get the upgrade for 50$" things they had going on, which saved me a TON of money on the whole bundle, but now there's like 40 versions of the plugs in my folder and some work and some don't and I haven't been interested enough to try to sort it all out because it was such a pain to get it all installed and licensed. IIRC, each plug needed a different license or file or something and it was just a huge hassle. Same. And it colored my perception of Izotope negatively.
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Post by bubblejackets on Feb 13, 2024 12:19:47 GMT -6
That’s annoying. I only have an older version of ozone but their plugin manager seems to work ok (product portal?) to keep everything sorted.
Interested how people are using the individual bits and pieces also. Recently the maximizer won the shootout for a drum bus that needed more transparent crest factor reducing.
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Post by svart on Feb 13, 2024 12:22:45 GMT -6
To tell you the truth, I have the WHOLE Izotope suite and haven't used a single piece of it. I bought it during one of those weird "buy the old version for 10$ and get the upgrade for 50$" things they had going on, which saved me a TON of money on the whole bundle, but now there's like 40 versions of the plugs in my folder and some work and some don't and I haven't been interested enough to try to sort it all out because it was such a pain to get it all installed and licensed. IIRC, each plug needed a different license or file or something and it was just a huge hassle. Same. And it colored my perception of Izotope negatively. I guess I should at least try to sort it out, but I haven't come across anything that I haven't been able to do with the 10 or so plugs I usually use. I really just wanted the Izotope stuff for restoration.. Which I haven't actually needed like I thought I might.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 13, 2024 12:39:45 GMT -6
While I do find their whole website/plugin authorization thing annoying, I love their stuff. Neutron has some fantastic modules. Sometimes if I’m working on a larger project and I don’t have time to mess around dialing in each track, I’ll use track assistant to get me in the ballpark quickly. I tweak from there. Ozone is always on my master buss. There are some great tools in there. I also love the free vinyl plug. Vocal doubler is rad(not sure if it was free). That’s about all I use. I have the whole suite though. Just never found a use for nectar or trash. Nectar seems to overdo it and trash is just too many options for basic saturation. I still have version 8 of everything. Next time I have to upgrade my computer I’ll grab whatever the latest version of neutron and ozone are.
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Post by drbill on Feb 13, 2024 13:17:04 GMT -6
So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that? Nope. They are 0% of my mix.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 13, 2024 13:22:59 GMT -6
I use their vocal doubler sometimes and the free noise reduction every once and awhile. Know people who love their mastering suite but I find it too distracting and I’m not an ME anyway. .
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 13, 2024 13:27:51 GMT -6
I ask because even though I've had various levels of these tools for a long time, I've only recently started using them at any scale. I kind of thought of Ozone for example as a great way to whip together a rough mix, but I'm starting to see that the quality of some of these modules is higher than I realized. Why not use them more? There's something to be said for having a bunch of modules sitting here in one plugin. For example, I was looking for a Gate and then I thought "huh, I bet Izotope has one I've never used." Sure enough the Neutron gate was just sitting there in my plugin folder and, man, is that thing easy to dial in. So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that? To tell you the truth, I have the WHOLE Izotope suite and haven't used a single piece of it. I bought it during one of those weird "buy the old version for 10$ and get the upgrade for 50$" things they had going on, which saved me a TON of money on the whole bundle, but now there's like 40 versions of the plugs in my folder and some work and some don't and I haven't been interested enough to try to sort it all out because it was such a pain to get it all installed and licensed. IIRC, each plug needed a different license or file or something and it was just a huge hassle. OMG - svart you are describing my situation almost to a "T". Same situation here. Including confusion about which version is which. I think iZotope product management is so freaking confusing. Maybe second only to IK Multimedia. Maybe. So I barely end up using any of it.
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Post by phdamage on Feb 13, 2024 14:07:52 GMT -6
i use spectral denoise on occasion, but that's it. I only have RX and had bought Neutron when it first came out but that's all i've got.
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Post by wiz on Feb 13, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -6
I use ozone on every mix Voice de noise Mouth de click
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by noob on Feb 13, 2024 14:41:39 GMT -6
I probably have anywhere from 1 to 4 instances of izotope plugins on every mix. I don't use all of their plugins, but I do find their RX stuff extremely helpful for polishing turds/poorly recorded vocals. I love the Ozone dynamic EQ and Exciter which is great for saturating only the high end or only the mids of something.
I don't find myself using Izotope or Ozone for rudimentary mix decisions, but rather to fix a piece of audio or enhance it in some way that I can't really do with my normal plugin/hardware selections. I think they come in real handy for audio editing purposes. The Mastering Rebalance plugin actually has come in very handy in awkward situations, where I'd otherwise have nothing else to use.
I haven't dabbled much with Neutron or Nectar, but I want to mess with them more. There are just so many damn plugins haha!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 14:49:04 GMT -6
So... the question. How much are you guys using Izotope tools like Nectar, Neutron, and Ozone? I think they envision these plugins being 75% of your mix. Anyone using them like that? Nope. They are 0% of my mix. Is that because you're not a fan of the plugins or just because they're not needed in your mixing workflow? Or because like some others of us you've just never really given them a serious spin.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 14:53:35 GMT -6
I use ozone on every mix Voice de noise Mouth de click Cheers Wiz Ozone only on master bus? Or elsewhere. I did a mix of a live recording last night for a wedding band client releasing a teaser video. The board mix they sent had zero life. Tried Ozone Exciter on drum bus and it really worked like a charm to liven up a very well played but not well recorded drum part. Then I figured hey, let's do some gated reverb (the song was David Bowie's Let's Dance) and again... how about Neutron gate? That's what got me on this.
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Post by wiz on Feb 13, 2024 14:54:37 GMT -6
I use ozone on every mix Voice de noise Mouth de click Cheers Wiz Ozone only on master bus? Or elsewhere. I did a mix of a live recording last night for a wedding band client releasing a teaser video. The board mix they sent had zero life. Tried Ozone Exciter on drum bus and it really worked like a charm to liven up a very well played but not well recorded drum part. Then I figured hey, let's do some gated reverb (the song was David Bowie's Let's Dance) and again... how about Neutron gate? That's what got me on this. Ozone on the master bus cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 13, 2024 15:04:06 GMT -6
I use it all over the place. Mostly on the master...It's a powerful tool and has taken me a while to really learn the ins and outs. Don't care what anyone else says, the AI stuff is awesome if you use it as intended - an assistant. You wouldn't let an assistant make final decisions - so let it get you in the ball park and then tweak. Big time saver.
I've found putting stabilzer on vocals after/before my EQ really works well. Sometimes I'll let it boost and cut, sometimes cut. Use it at like 50%. The imager is pretty cool too. You can just slap it on something and use it like a one knob widener, or use multi band. Clarity is nice too. Tonal Balance has been awesome to visualize the frequency curve of the song. It has really pointed out some things where my ears were deceiving me. The multiband AI dynamic EQ is awesome too. I've found it to be pretty accurate in controlling resonances and low mid bloom.
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Post by niklas1073 on Feb 13, 2024 15:25:11 GMT -6
I use the RX10 frequently. All clean up work on vocals. Super fast and easy and great quality removing of mouth noise, clicks, pops, plosives and what not on the fly. Since last week also using the RX de-esser and I like it. Have had the Ozone for over a decade, I don’t use it on the mix, except the dither before sending out to my hardware mixbus, But I do use it for mastering occasionally if it’s a project that is not going for proper mastering. i must say I’m quite impressed how well it performs as a mastering plugin, probably as well as a plug can perform on that task, all and all I think izotope makes great tools. And the RX seem hard to beat.
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Post by drbill on Feb 13, 2024 15:45:41 GMT -6
Nope. They are 0% of my mix. Is that because you're not a fan of the plugins or just because they're not needed in your mixing workflow? Or because like some others of us you've just never really given them a serious spin. Last time I checked, their install / management program was SOOOO ANNNNOYING that I just dumped the license and never use them. For me it's got to be quick, it's got to be logical, it's got to be intuitive without reading a manual, it's got to be streamlined (NI is a great example of streamlined, although there's plenty I don't like about them too), and it's got to be rock solid - or it never gets used.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 16:29:30 GMT -6
I use it all over the place. Mostly on the master...It's a powerful tool and has taken me a while to really learn the ins and outs. Don't care what anyone else says, the AI stuff is awesome if you use it as intended - an assistant. You wouldn't let an assistant make final decisions - so let it get you in the ball park and then tweak. Big time saver. I've found putting stabilzer on vocals after/before my EQ really works well. Sometimes I'll let it boost and cut, sometimes cut. Use it at like 50%. The imager is pretty cool too. You can just slap it on something and use it like a one knob widener, or use multi band. Clarity is nice too. Tonal Balance has been awesome to visualize the frequency curve of the song. It has really pointed out some things where my ears were deceiving me. The multiband AI dynamic EQ is awesome too. I've found it to be pretty accurate in controlling resonances and low mid bloom. So what is Clarity? I'm on Ozone 10 and this seems to be the main upgrade to 11. But I can't tell what it actually is as is so often the case with Izotope.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 16:30:31 GMT -6
Is that because you're not a fan of the plugins or just because they're not needed in your mixing workflow? Or because like some others of us you've just never really given them a serious spin. Last time I checked, their install / management program was SOOOO ANNNNOYING that I just dumped the license and never use them. For me it's got to be quick, it's got to be logical, it's got to be intuitive without reading a manual, it's got to be streamlined (NI is a great example of streamlined, although there's plenty I don't like about them too), and it's got to be rock solid - or it never gets used. Yeah, this was my issue too. Honestly I still can't figure out why I can't get the individual Nectar modules authorized. I just gave up on that. It's still messy.
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Post by noob on Feb 13, 2024 17:36:27 GMT -6
Update: I just put Neutron on a vocal for kicks n giggles, and it's great... can't believe I haven't used it before.
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Post by noob on Feb 13, 2024 18:13:12 GMT -6
The Sculptor on vocals is very interesting!! Finding it useful for this particular track
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Post by sean on Feb 13, 2024 18:14:18 GMT -6
I use RX on almost every song. Usually I'm manually editing on clicks/mouth sounds/other weird unexplained noises. It takes 5 seconds to do. Music Rebalance has been a real life saver at time, Spectral De-Noise is wonderful for amps and noisy keyboards, De-Plosive sounds more natural than a high pass filter on plosives. I don't use Ozone for anything. I like the sound of the Exponential Audio plugins but they are a bit "dense" for me. If you like being tweaky they are great, or they have hundreds of presets to explore.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 13, 2024 18:23:28 GMT -6
I use RX on almost every song. Usually I'm manually editing on clicks/mouth sounds/other weird unexplained noises. It takes 5 seconds to do. Music Rebalance has been a real life saver at time, Spectral De-Noise is wonderful for amps and noisy keyboards, De-Plosive sounds more natural than a high pass filter on plosives. I don't use Ozone for anything. I like the sound of the Exponential Audio plugins but they are a bit "dense" for me. If you like being tweaky they are great, or they have hundreds of presets to explore. I actually got into Izotope for RX but I could never really get the stuff to work as well as I remember seeing it work for a producer buddy who blew my mind with it. Maybe the lite version is too light. I'm still on RX 8 and even the modules it comes with (like de-click) never seem to do what they say they will do... e.g., remove clicks. Also possibly I suck at using them.
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Post by sean on Feb 13, 2024 18:47:56 GMT -6
I use RX on almost every song. Usually I'm manually editing on clicks/mouth sounds/other weird unexplained noises. It takes 5 seconds to do. Music Rebalance has been a real life saver at time, Spectral De-Noise is wonderful for amps and noisy keyboards, De-Plosive sounds more natural than a high pass filter on plosives. I don't use Ozone for anything. I like the sound of the Exponential Audio plugins but they are a bit "dense" for me. If you like being tweaky they are great, or they have hundreds of presets to explore. I actually got into Izotope for RX but I could never really get the stuff to work as well as I remember seeing it work for a producer buddy who blew my mind with it. Maybe the lite version is too light. I'm still on RX 8 and even the modules it comes with (like de-click) never seem to do what they say they will do... e.g., remove clicks. Also possibly I suck at using them. Besides De-Plosive, which if I use I don't render the whole vocal but just the word that's the issue, I have much better luck using the "Connect" feature in audiosuite and sending it to the full blown RX and just manually removing it. After awhile you can get to know what certain sounds look like on the spectragraph and you just "drawn" them out. It's probably the most essential digital tool I have, I just love it.
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