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Post by copperx on Feb 5, 2024 11:40:35 GMT -6
I'm a member of a Reaper group.. I LOVE Reaper. Been using it since 2005 when it came out.. Anyway, since it's "free" to download, we really do get the worst of the worst asking questions. They ask questions about the most simple stuff, (which I understand to a point) but then they GET ANGRY when you suggest they actually do some searching first. There's whole forums dedicated to new user FAQs as well as the Reaper patron saint Kenny who has made thousands of videos explaining everything from how to install to doing scripting, etc. At the risk of sounding like a jaded old fart, back in my day there were NO places you could ask these things. You just had to figure it out for the most part. Things have certainly changed. Today's recording generation just doesn't care about learning things. They only care about getting a result. Hahaha I still remember googling, back when Google was google.stanford.edu for "SSL consoles" to find specs, a manual, any info. There was absolutely NO information out there. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 5, 2024 15:19:19 GMT -6
RGO is the only place I know of to have sensible conversations about engineering.
GS was great in the mid 2000s, but that was long before my time. By the time I joined, it was already a jungle. Sadly seems to have only gotten worse. I definitely contributed to the silliness at times. Haven’t posted or even really read anything there in a while, and I seem to be better off for it.
The AE subreddit was never even on my radar. I generally think the upvoting/downvoting thing encourages hivemind type of behavior. I only ever go to certain subreddits for very specific queries when there’s literally no other option.
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Post by hadaja on Feb 5, 2024 16:14:42 GMT -6
See this is what I like RGO, I have made some really good connections with some people here. And now if I ever need to know something we can have a chat by just sending messages or organising a hook up. So easy so good so real.
That my friends is called establishing long lasting relationships.
That reminds me, it must be that time again to make a donation in order to support John and this platform that helps me make these valuable connections.
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Post by bgrotto on Feb 5, 2024 16:30:34 GMT -6
GS needed a name change, and badly. My entire staff is female, and half my classrooms are. They all think it was cringey at best, and some found it downright offensive. Whether or not the old timers agree is irrelevant. GS needs to keep attracting folks, or die. They weren’t gonna do that with an archaic, sexist name.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 5, 2024 20:44:24 GMT -6
IMHO in a more perfect world (where's my Don LaFontaine voice now-when I need it?) ... It would ideally be a blend of what was positive, in Days of Yore. Along with what's positive today. Of course it could also be sorta like when they asked Billy Joel, back when he was married to Christie/before Kids... "Imagine if they got her looks and your musical talent". To paraphrase Billy replied... "But what if they get her musical talent and MY looks!  Chris P.S. Christie is a very talented artist. And might have substantial musical talent. 'Ol Chessparov is ever the optimist. Oh yeah. Happy 69th(!) Birthday Christie, last Friday. |
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Post by ericn on Feb 5, 2024 20:53:22 GMT -6
GS needed a name change, and badly. My entire staff is female, and half my classrooms are. They all think it was cringey at best, and some found it downright offensive. Whether or not the old timers agree is irrelevant. GS needs to keep attracting folks, or die. They weren’t gonna do that with an archaic, sexist name. It was always fun when you need to log onto GS and were using WiFi, at the very least it needed a back door, no pun intended. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 5, 2024 20:59:24 GMT -6
I think when GS started. at least part of the intent was being an extension... Of what was going on, in people's Project and Professional Studio life. If the original name was around PG-13, I guess those "Womb Forums" ala Mixerman were at times R Rated. Largely for expletive oriented language. I swear! Chris |
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Post by ninworks on Feb 6, 2024 5:25:22 GMT -6
Saturation is one thing when done correctly but distortion is......well, ugly.
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Post by noob on Feb 6, 2024 9:26:14 GMT -6
The silly part about reddit for me was that you can't post about buying gear or comparing items. I've had posts removed just because I was looking for insight on specific pieces of gear. Ok, well if that's the case, there is no subreddit for that. That's why I came to RGO in the first place.
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Post by smashlord on Feb 6, 2024 12:12:47 GMT -6
The AE sub-Reddit definitely seems to be more populated by amateurs and maybe even artists. I've seen some lofty statements that don't always reflect the reality of record making. Lot's of absolutes like "drum set up should only take 30 mins", "a mixer should only do X,Y, and Z", or "$XXX is WAY too much for any mix!".
I've seen many threads that try to paint engineers like used car salesmen. Like most of Reddit, there can be a fair amount of passive aggression.
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Post by bossanova on Feb 6, 2024 17:37:32 GMT -6
I didn't realize that Dan had left. I'm sure he's different in real life and he definitely had some valuable niche knowledge to share.
I also feel like he's an example of where "communication style" makes a big difference in interactions with other people.
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Post by bossanova on Feb 6, 2024 17:40:27 GMT -6
The AE sub-Reddit definitely seems to be more populated by amateurs and maybe even artists. I've seen some lofty statements that don't always reflect the reality of record making. Lot's of absolutes like "drum set up should only take 30 mins", "a mixer should only do X,Y, and Z", or "$XXX is WAY too much for any mix!". I've seen many threads that try to paint engineers like used car salesmen. Like most of Reddit, there can be a fair amount of passive aggression. From what I've seen, the audio engineering subreddit had a similar path as GS where it started out as professionals sharing knowledge with each other and now it's mostly the blind leading the blind. I know that a while ago some of the pros created a separate subreddit, again not too different from the GS exodus. If you know where to dig, Bob Clearmountain had a GS account where he would randomly answer questions from time to time. It's always a trip to find some of those. |
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Post by copperx on Feb 6, 2024 19:10:44 GMT -6
If you know where to dig, Bob Clearmountain had a GS account where he would randomly answer questions from time to time. It's always a trip to find some of those. Nice. CLA also has an account and he has made a total of 1 post. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 6, 2024 19:25:46 GMT -6
True. It was 3 pages long though.  LOL! BTW I got to interact with Ray Parker Jr. two times. ... (Was "raydio" there) He digs the C800G. Chris |
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Post by ab101 on Feb 6, 2024 19:34:43 GMT -6
Mercenary Audio depictions on their website of years ago and gearslutz sort of went together. Though I learned a lot from Fletcher and I also had very good experiences with Mercenary purchases.
The moderator on RGO is tons better than many of the moderators on gearspace who seem to allow a lot of non-professional conversations. (I do not mean light humor on gearspace which is always good - but garbage trolling talk.)
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Post by drbill on Feb 7, 2024 11:15:27 GMT -6
What if I don't think GS was bad.... ?? I guess it all depends on where you go. Kinda like the big cities in the US. Most are $#!@holes, but there are places of great beauty and peacefulness if you seek them out.
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Post by copperx on Feb 7, 2024 13:32:57 GMT -6
What if I don't think GS was bad.... ?? I guess it all depends on where you go. Kinda like the big cities in the US. Most are $#!@holes, but there are places of great beauty and peacefulness if you seek them out. Dear Dr. GS connoisseur, Would you mind directing me to the beautiful prairies you describe? I got lost in the landfill and hope is dwindling. Warmest regards, cx |
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Post by drbill on Feb 7, 2024 14:59:46 GMT -6
What if I don't think GS was bad.... ?? I guess it all depends on where you go. Kinda like the big cities in the US. Most are $#!@holes, but there are places of great beauty and peacefulness if you seek them out. Dear Dr. GS connoisseur, Would you mind directing me to the beautiful prairies you describe? I got lost in the landfill and hope is dwindling. Warmest regards, cx ?? Maybe it's in your mindset? Or what you're looking for? I tend to hang out on the writers / music for picture forum, the post production forum, High End, new products, etc. and sometimes the general forum - also I have longtime ongoing bookmarked threads that I have been going on for close to 10 years that are almost always civil - like the Rob Schnapf thread, Silver Bullet impressions thread, many others, etc.. I mean, there are exceptions, and ******** there, but there are here too. It's just part of the internet. I think over the years I've learned to live and let live, and am observant that the ******** will out themselves without any outside help. . Granted, due to size, there are exponentially more over there. |
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Post by linas on Feb 7, 2024 15:41:15 GMT -6
I didn't realize that Dan had left. I'm sure he's different in real life and he definitely had some valuable niche knowledge to share. I also feel like he's an example of where "communication style" makes a big difference in interactions with other people. I loved the dude for some time. Reading his posts felt better than sex, not lying. I'm an all ITB producer, he helped me to forgive myself for not using outboard and actual keyboards (not some sample shit again omgae!). I always need some twist in my life to achieve new ways of doing things that I do. Going from using Q 3 on every track to that other plugin (bad memory, sry), to using Cubase's inbuilt EQ in the channel bar (introduced in the newest update). Going back to using less FX's eventually, stopping caring that much about doing pro mixing & mastering and just, you know, doing it (music!). I've learned about a couple of cool plugins, I stopped using Soothe because of coloration, then restarted using Soothe after the guy left because I realised that I kinda need that sound sometimes and in the end who actually cares what some nerd thinks online. But yeah, been a fun run for sometime, an interesting stage of my creative life in music. He writes exciting things but he also seems subjective sometimes if not many times and also, I don't know him but I saw a vid of him mixing some drummer in a small room, I mean it's great but also I'd expect a bit more from a guy who has that kind of audacity. I mean, it's always some metal dude who's drunk half the time and he's mean to you without any reason (not saying he's a heavy drinker or a bad dude). I guess it is what it is. |
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Post by notneeson on Feb 7, 2024 17:22:53 GMT -6
I didn't realize that Dan had left. I'm sure he's different in real life and he definitely had some valuable niche knowledge to share. I also feel like he's an example of where "communication style" makes a big difference in interactions with other people. I loved the dude for some time. Reading his posts felt better than sex, not lying. I'm an all ITB producer, he helped me to forgive myself for not using outboard and actual keyboards (not some sample shit again omgae!). I always need some twist in my life to achieve new ways of doing things that I do. Going from using Q 3 on every track to that other plugin (bad memory, sry), to using Cubase's inbuilt EQ in the channel bar (introduced in the newest update). Going back to using less FX's eventually, stopping caring that much about doing pro mixing & mastering and just, you know, doing it (music!). I've learned about a couple of cool plugins, I stopped using Soothe because of coloration, then restarted using Soothe after the guy left because I realised that I kinda need that sound sometimes and in the end who actually cares what some nerd thinks online. But yeah, been a fun run for sometime, an interesting stage of my creative life in music. He writes exciting things but he also seems subjective sometimes if not many times and also, I don't know him but I saw a vid of him mixing some drummer in a small room, I mean it's great but also I'd expect a bit more from a guy who has that kind of audacity. I mean, it's always some metal dude who's drunk half the time and he's mean to you without any reason (not saying he's a heavy drinker or a bad dude). I guess it is what it is. Setting aside the Dan stuff: the job is to make it sound RIGHT with the tools you have. Make it rock now, not later. I had this same realization when I was living abroad for a few years and went from having access to full on studios to doing passion projects on my laptop. In particular, it made me a better mixer because I stopped being safe and started pushing myself and the sounds without remorse or anxiety. If it sounds good it really is good. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2024 22:48:58 GMT -6
I'm an all ITB producer, he helped me to forgive myself for not using outboard and actual keyboards (not some sample shit again omgae!). Whenever I see this train of thought I notice the disconnect between the real world and the internet. Let's take Serban Ghenea for example, they're ITB producers and do you think they care about what I, Dan or anyone on this forum thinks? Not likely, they're too busy being successful. Most production successes relies on talent, arrangement, the way it's been tracked, the room, quality of instruments etc. this also applies to VSTI's because the better the sound (in context) the more chance you'll have of a great end result. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that using an incorrect sized flathead with a Phillips screw is less than ideal meaning that good tools do matter. However let's not blow this out of context, the one thing somebody has to remember is there's a lot of experience on this forum and nobody that I personally know of whether pro or extreme hobbiest is struggling to get a competitive clean mix ITB (unless it's a big turd polishing session in which HW ain't going to help much either).
My point is it's difficult to understand a complete picture from "I like <insert expensive HW here>". We've all got or own motives, experience and end goals. Some are trying to separate themselves in a competitive market or go above & beyond, some are trying to simplify production, some like me are chasing the sound in their head and some just like buying shiny stuff. Whatever the reason is in the grand scheme it doesn't matter and if I stated more information you'd notice a disconnect even within my own bubble. As a crutch I use decent tracking HW, the rest of what I have is somewhat superflous to a decent end result but again I bought it to approach "the sound in my brain hole". Although, at the end of the day you might not even like that end result. Dan's posts were useful to question the status quo and there's a lot of plugins out there of varied quality however one can take this wayyy too seriously. If said posts were even as good as a simple walk at the beach maybe there's something not quite right? Sometimes it's best to just get used to your tools and just crack on without the noise.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 7, 2024 23:05:26 GMT -6
I didn't realize that Dan had left. I'm sure he's different in real life and he definitely had some valuable niche knowledge to share. I also feel like he's an example of where "communication style" makes a big difference in interactions with other people. I didn't realize this either and I don't consider this a hijack with the very general topic, but that's a loss. I found Dan to be exhausting sometimes with the details but that's because I don't have that knowledge in my bank. He knows his stuff and his insights/arguments were great. Foods for thought. Sad he felt he needed to leave. Conversation is a good thing to have in your day. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 8, 2024 13:34:14 GMT -6
Back to Reddit/GS... IMHO there was/is a rough correlation to both the Decline of Reddit, and to a somewhat similar Decline at GS. With the so-called "Music Industry" itself. Then the rise of RGO from there! (Thanks again John K. for everything) Chris |
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Post by ironinthepath on Feb 8, 2024 20:26:21 GMT -6
Bummer Dan left, I am quite comfortable with analog gear tradeoffs and also data converters at an "under the hood" level, but even though I took some DSP classes as a student I never got far enough with that sub-field to build any kind of depth that would help me (directly) in understanding, let alone designing, software emulations of non-linear analog blocks that are both accurate enough to be desirable, run fast enough, and don't sound "digital". I actually meant to ask him for a list of plugins meeting his (high) standards. Too late I guess: I'll just have to keep buying hardware!
-Other Chris
P.S. Maybe I shouldn't admit it here, as I do prefer RGO - I still learn something on GS once I filter out enough "noise" and there are still some users there that I trust in terms of their gear / production opinions. I've never focused on Reddit ever, but once in a while a general internet search will yield something interesting there audio-wise.
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Post by nicksteinborn on Feb 9, 2024 2:32:59 GMT -6
I mostly only view the new product alert on GS these days, but I'll still do a search for specific things about gear or process or whatever from time to time. I also love looking through any studio photo threads or the mic'd up drumkit thread or anything fun like that.
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