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Post by copperx on Jan 10, 2024 13:32:21 GMT -6
The newly redesigned MOTU has been announced: motu.com/en-us/products/828/Any thoughts? Is anyone considering selling their 828ES to get this one? What is this DC coupled output business? And 125 dB dynamic range on the outputs? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 10, 2024 13:56:28 GMT -6
The newly redesigned MOTU has been announced: motu.com/en-us/products/828/Any thoughts? Is anyone considering selling their 828ES to get this one? What is this DC coupled output business? And 125 dB dynamic range on the outputs? The only real upgrade to me seems to be the two extra analog I/O which is nice I guess but... No more AVB support? That's a huge headscratcher for me. That's the killer feature of the MOTU pro family in my opinion and if you don't have that it's just another mid-grade converter. I hope this doesn't mean they're not going to continue developing the AVB line. |
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Post by svart on Jan 10, 2024 14:01:26 GMT -6
I love my 828ES and I need the AVB to talk to my 24ai and 24ao.. But if I had to buy another interface for something else, I'd go for the new 828 for sure.
Now, I can't seem to find the price on it..
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Post by niklas1073 on Jan 10, 2024 14:02:29 GMT -6
Really interesting, this competes well with the arturia 16rig I suppose. Though I actually dig the 16rig slightly more for their 16 trs inputs and control centre vs the cue mix 5 which is a pain.
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Post by niklas1073 on Jan 10, 2024 14:02:59 GMT -6
I love my 828ES and I need the AVB to talk to my 24ai and 24ao.. But if I had to buy another interface for something else, I'd go for the new 828 for sure. Now, I can't seem to find the price on it.. Seem to be 1222 euro on thomann |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 10, 2024 14:10:05 GMT -6
I love my 828ES and I need the AVB to talk to my 24ai and 24ao.. But if I had to buy another interface for something else, I'd go for the new 828 for sure. Now, I can't seem to find the price on it.. Your setup is similar to mine. I like the 828es a lot but would you really buy the new 828 without the AVB? I'm not sure I would. I might look at something that is made to for expansion like Carbon or Apollo (which I sold off to move over to MOTU AVB with zero regrets). I guess the price point is key. And maybe they'll keep produsing the 828es. MOTU isn't shy about having products with 85% feature overlap it seems. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 10, 2024 14:14:01 GMT -6
From the purple site press release. I guess this is the end of the 828es.
"The 828 is now shipping and replaces all previous 828 models. Price is $995 USD."
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Post by svart on Jan 10, 2024 14:15:36 GMT -6
I love my 828ES and I need the AVB to talk to my 24ai and 24ao.. But if I had to buy another interface for something else, I'd go for the new 828 for sure. Now, I can't seem to find the price on it.. Your setup is similar to mine. I like the 828es a lot but would you really buy the new 828 without the AVB? I'm not sure I would. I might look at something that is made to for expansion like Carbon or Apollo (which I sold off to move over to MOTU AVB with zero regrets). I guess the price point is key. And maybe they'll keep produsing the 828es. MOTU isn't shy about having products with 85% feature overlap it seems. I thought the whole reason that the 828es was scarce was that AKM factory fire or something? I don't know for sure though. If I needed another interface or someone I knew wanted one but didn't need AVB, then I'd totally suggest this one though. I've had zero trouble with my MOTU rig. It sounds great and works great. That damn routing program still sucks though, but once it's set up, it works fine.. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 10, 2024 14:17:49 GMT -6
Your setup is similar to mine. I like the 828es a lot but would you really buy the new 828 without the AVB? I'm not sure I would. I might look at something that is made to for expansion like Carbon or Apollo (which I sold off to move over to MOTU AVB with zero regrets). I guess the price point is key. And maybe they'll keep produsing the 828es. MOTU isn't shy about having products with 85% feature overlap it seems. I thought the whole reason that the 828es was scarce was that AKM factory fire or something? I don't know for sure though. If I needed another interface or someone I knew wanted one but didn't need AVB, then I'd totally suggest this one though. I've had zero trouble with my MOTU rig. It sounds great and works great. That damn routing program still sucks though, but once it's set up, it works fine.. Yeah for sure. I've got no issues with mine. So if you don't need the expandability tough to beat for $995. Now the big question is what (if anything) is in store for the AVB line? |
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Post by bikescene on Jan 10, 2024 14:46:22 GMT -6
I was looking to upgrade to a 828ES in 2023, but it was always out of stock.
It’s good to see dual ADAT I/O still being offered at the sub-$1000 price point for new interfaces.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 16:12:06 GMT -6
I like the cheeky insert they've built in, AVB would have been nice. Looks like another solid offering from MOTU, I've had my 1248 about a decade now and it's still as good as the first time I switched it on. I'm always going to keep it as a spare / backup..
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 10, 2024 16:44:42 GMT -6
I like the cheeky insert they've built in, AVB would have been nice. Looks like another solid offering from MOTU, I've had my 1248 about a decade now and it's still as good as the first time I switched it on. I'm always going to keep it as a spare / backup.. They have the insert on the 828es as well. I have it patched in but I've never actually used it. It is kind of fun though. |
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Post by wiz on Jan 11, 2024 1:09:51 GMT -6
I like the cheeky insert they've built in, AVB would have been nice. Looks like another solid offering from MOTU, I've had my 1248 about a decade now and it's still as good as the first time I switched it on. I'm always going to keep it as a spare / backup.. please dear lord... let the routing matrix that was in my 16A be a thing of the past....that thing blew chunks. cheers Wiz |
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Post by dror520 on Jan 11, 2024 2:37:26 GMT -6
Also, they switched the thunderbolt port for a USB 3 port. I wonder why?
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Post by svart on Jan 11, 2024 8:03:07 GMT -6
Also, they switched the thunderbolt port for a USB 3 port. I wonder why? Wider adoption but similar performance I believe. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 11, 2024 10:00:12 GMT -6
Is the 16A ever going to be in stock again, or is it effectively discontinued at this point?
Also, getting rid of AVB is a curious development. I thought that was a primary selling point for a lot of these Motu interfaces?
Now I'm wondering what will happen to the Monitor 8? It's also AVB, and I had considered getting one.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 11, 2024 11:11:50 GMT -6
Is the 16A ever going to be in stock again, or is it effectively discontinued at this point? Also, getting rid of AVB is a curious development. I thought that was a primary selling point for a lot of these Motu interfaces? Now I'm wondering what will happen to the Monitor 8? It's also AVB, and I had considered getting one. You and me both man. To me the whole MOTU sell is "a large networked/expandable system with quality specs that a small studio can afford." If you lose the AVB you kind of lose the differentiating feature IMO. Not to say I wouldn't still pick up this new 828 if I didn't need the expansion. I really like the MOTU sound and I love that they support their products indefinitely, it's just that with the AVB there are really no other options in this price point so they had the market cornered. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 11, 2024 12:32:08 GMT -6
Is the 16A ever going to be in stock again, or is it effectively discontinued at this point? Also, getting rid of AVB is a curious development. I thought that was a primary selling point for a lot of these Motu interfaces? Now I'm wondering what will happen to the Monitor 8? It's also AVB, and I had considered getting one. You and me both man. To me the whole MOTU sell is "a large networked/expandable system with quality specs that a small studio can afford." If you lose the AVB you kind of lose the differentiating feature IMO. Not to say I wouldn't still pick up this new 828 if I didn't need the expansion. I really like the MOTU sound and I love that they support their products indefinitely, it's just that with the AVB there are really no other options in this price point so they had the market cornered. Strange decision, indeed. Maybe they think AVB is dying, and are abandoning for that reason? Who knows. Were I not on Apollos, I would have given the AVB series a hard look. Now, that might be a different decision. |
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Post by copperx on Jan 11, 2024 12:43:18 GMT -6
It'll be cool to know what converters they're using now. It looks like they improved something in the audio path. The dynamic range increased by 2 db on input and output from the 828ES. The phones output seems worse, just going by the specs. TDH+N went up 10 db.
Also, it looks like CueMix 5 is the future. Didn't some people hate that on the MOTU Ultralite mk5?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 11, 2024 13:40:03 GMT -6
You and me both man. To me the whole MOTU sell is "a large networked/expandable system with quality specs that a small studio can afford." If you lose the AVB you kind of lose the differentiating feature IMO. Not to say I wouldn't still pick up this new 828 if I didn't need the expansion. I really like the MOTU sound and I love that they support their products indefinitely, it's just that with the AVB there are really no other options in this price point so they had the market cornered. Strange decision, indeed. Maybe they think AVB is dying, and are abandoning for that reason? Who knows. Were I not on Apollos, I would have given the AVB series a hard look. Now, that might be a different decision. What's weird is that other manufactures are jumping on the AVB (and similar) train, not off e.g. Avid/Carbon. So maybe they're getting 828 back to its roots as just after entry level device and they're going to revamp the 16a or the 1248. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 11, 2024 13:49:43 GMT -6
Strange decision, indeed. Maybe they think AVB is dying, and are abandoning for that reason? Who knows. Were I not on Apollos, I would have given the AVB series a hard look. Now, that might be a different decision. What's weird is that other manufactures are jumping on the AVB (and similar) train, not off e.g. Avid/Carbon. So maybe they're getting 828 back to its roots as just after entry level device and they're going to revamp the 16a or the 1248. Maybe so. Though I don't know why you wouldn't still just have everything in the lineup on AVB, if you were still going to keep at least some of your interfaces on AVB, like the 16a. Look at the Apollos. Everything can interface with everything, no matter the unit type or even age. I always thought that was a wise move on UA's part. Seems like Motu could make more sales if they kept AVB and made it easier to just add another Motu unit of your choosing for expansion. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 11, 2024 14:01:01 GMT -6
What's weird is that other manufactures are jumping on the AVB (and similar) train, not off e.g. Avid/Carbon. So maybe they're getting 828 back to its roots as just after entry level device and they're going to revamp the 16a or the 1248. Maybe so. Though I don't know why you wouldn't still just have everything in the lineup on AVB, if you were still going to keep at least some of your interfaces on AVB, like the 16a. Look at the Apollos. Everything can interface with everything, no matter the unit type or even age. I always thought that was a wise move on UA's part. Seems like Motu could make more sales if they kept AVB and made it easier to just add another Motu unit of your choosing for expansion. Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm kind of stretching it to see this as anything other than moving away from AVB. Cuz, you're right, the logical move would be to put the networking on more models, not fewere. Idk. I don't know the logistics of building or supporting this stuff. But I thought half the benefit of AVB was that it uses a readily available tech that was overspecced for audio because it's, well, readily available. What Cranborne is doing with ethernet tech is super cool, that's probably the next place to turn. I would love to see Cranborne offer a standalone converter/interface and C.A.S.T. hub combo. Basically the R8 without the 500 series slots at like $750 price point or so. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 11, 2024 14:11:29 GMT -6
Maybe so. Though I don't know why you wouldn't still just have everything in the lineup on AVB, if you were still going to keep at least some of your interfaces on AVB, like the 16a. Look at the Apollos. Everything can interface with everything, no matter the unit type or even age. I always thought that was a wise move on UA's part. Seems like Motu could make more sales if they kept AVB and made it easier to just add another Motu unit of your choosing for expansion. Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm kind of stretching it to see this as anything other than moving away from AVB. Cuz, you're right, the logical move would be to put the networking on more models, not fewere. Idk. I don't know the logistics of building or supporting this stuff. But I thought half the benefit of AVB was that it uses a readily available tech that was overspecced for audio because it's, well, readily available. What Cranborne is doing with ethernet tech is super cool, that's probably the next place to turn. I would love to see Cranborne offer a standalone converter/interface and C.A.S.T. hub combo. Basically the R8 without the 500 series slots at like $750 price point or so. I had the same impression of AVB, so I'm not sure what's up with Motu. The Cranborne stuff seems cool. If I wasn't already pretty much set up with all of the hardware I need, I might be looking at them for an elegant, all in one solution, at least for preamps anyway. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 11, 2024 14:22:21 GMT -6
Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm kind of stretching it to see this as anything other than moving away from AVB. Cuz, you're right, the logical move would be to put the networking on more models, not fewere. Idk. I don't know the logistics of building or supporting this stuff. But I thought half the benefit of AVB was that it uses a readily available tech that was overspecced for audio because it's, well, readily available. What Cranborne is doing with ethernet tech is super cool, that's probably the next place to turn. I would love to see Cranborne offer a standalone converter/interface and C.A.S.T. hub combo. Basically the R8 without the 500 series slots at like $750 price point or so. I had the same impression of AVB, so I'm not sure what's up with Motu. The Cranborne stuff seems cool. If I wasn't already pretty much set up with all of the hardware I need, I might be looking at them for an elegant, all in one solution, at least for preamps anyway. I don't know what "good conversion" sounds like but to my stage ravaged ears the Cranborne sounds amazing. Everything sounds better when you run it through that thing. And, as I've said before, the headphone amps are fantastic. The only thing that stinks about the Cranborne world is that my brain can't stand the idea of not using all the 500 slots and that jacks the practical cost of the unit by at least $3k for budget 500 units and more like $4.5 - $6k to fill it with anything halfway decent. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Feb 1, 2024 14:37:46 GMT -6
Great news from the purple site. Screenshot here so you don't have to get that grime on you.  |
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