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Post by ab101 on Jan 29, 2024 22:19:40 GMT -6
And finally there is Wes Audio who figured out how to make the best of hardware and software. Good point, but you have to also be aware that the cost is going to the tech and the analog. I wasn't overwhelmed by their bus compressor other than how cool all the recall and switching was. The mid-side monitoring was great. Sonically, sounded solid but wasn't the ticket for my ears. YMMV. Interesting. Sorry the bus comp was underwhelming. The NG76s are top notch - up there with the serpent splices. My dione is good - but not as great for what it is as the N76s. I am curious how Wes's tube eq is. And, of course, the point of my post was that the idea of having hardware with software control is a great way to go. |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jan 29, 2024 23:15:09 GMT -6
Good point, but you have to also be aware that the cost is going to the tech and the analog. I wasn't overwhelmed by their bus compressor other than how cool all the recall and switching was. The mid-side monitoring was great. Sonically, sounded solid but wasn't the ticket for my ears. YMMV. Interesting. Sorry the bus comp was underwhelming. The NG76s are top notch - up there with the serpent splices. My dione is good - but not as great for what it is as the N76s. I am curious how Wes's tube eq is. And, of course, the point of my post was that the idea of having hardware with software control is a great way to go. Agreed, the hardware / software thing is really incredible. After tipping toes in that world I think it's valuable to evaluate everything that goes into a unit that can do both and consider the whole concept. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 30, 2024 2:06:31 GMT -6
There is a difference... That said, I go about proving it (to myself) as a reality check once every year! When I have a week or so of free time, I'll spend that time mixing a tune ITB,and take as many days as needed to make what I think is an amazing mix of the tune. And when that's done, I start all over using just my all outboard thru my console. In the most recent case, console is my portable rig, which is Helios Pre/Eq's, API, and a Neve 8816 summing mixer. Every year, every time, every song, always comes out better (in my opinion) thru the real gear and console. Not only is it bigger, wider, but has a certain vibe, or visceral impact that just gets under your skin, makes your hairs stand up! But the ITB mixes just doesn't have that. (now this could possibly only pertain to my mixes and me?) In the meantime we all hear that so and so, (insert famous mixer(s) mixes all in the box, and he (they) are the biggest and the best, and his mixes sound great. Well, great compared to what? I'd love to hear said mixer - mix the same song done with all outboard, thru a real console, for comparison. I'd bet there is a difference, and a important difference at that. Now the real question is, does any of this matter. But for me at least, there is NO question, which is better. I completely agree. Our industry has accepted lower quality audio results in the name of easy recalls and profit. Can't say I blame them but it does make me sad because I don't see how we ever return to an industry standard of using the best tools available and spending $250,000 up to $1,000,000 and all the time necessary to create an album that is truly great art. There just isn't enough money brought in from streaming to justify the cost of running a studio the way we used to. Ok I'll stop...I'm getting depressed ☹️ Sad isn’t it. You know Josh, if I went to a world class art gallery and all the art on the walls was created in Photoshop and printed out onto cardboard. I think I’d feel cheated …. same artists - same artistic minds - but Photoshop and cardboard. I think there’s an analogy in there somewhere! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 4:56:07 GMT -6
If we talk hardware controlled by software, are peeps not Bettermaker fans or it just hasn’t been discussed ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 5:05:45 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 30, 2024 5:41:32 GMT -6
If we talk hardware controlled by software, are peeps not Bettermaker fans or it just hasn’t been discussed ? Wes Audio have the perfect solution for analog but with digital recall. A couple of their Titan Chassis stuffed with 1176, vari mu, pultec and parametric EQ’s will blow away any plugin collection and still give total instant recall. Small matter of £12,000  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 6:05:26 GMT -6
I understand . i happen to use logic and I think Bettermaker is fully digitally controlled in logic, so touch and digital control/recall.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 6:20:08 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 30, 2024 7:54:59 GMT -6
Yeah, great offer …. for UA. |
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Post by doubledog on Jan 30, 2024 10:10:54 GMT -6
seems like 90% of the "loyal" users that got the offer feel the same as me - "well, I already bought all the UAD plugins I wanted...."
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 30, 2024 11:42:58 GMT -6
What's pretty discusting and so divisive about it all is .... UA don't consider me a loyal customer.
You know the shmuck that payed £650 the day the UAD-1 was released in the UK!
.... and then bought another UAD-1 card for £650 and than a UAD-2 Qaud for £1000!
And then £1000's with of full price plugins.
If that's not loyalty then .... I could be rude here so I'll stop before I use an expletive I later regret.
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2024 11:44:42 GMT -6
It's just more of the same ham fisted marketing nonsense coming out of UA lately. And they only sent it out to a small test group, "to see how it goes" before they consider sending it out to "everyone" who meets the criteria. Not sure why all of that is necessary? But they'll continue to unnecessarily divide people up into groups which will inherently piss people off... Fuckin clown show.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 12:02:24 GMT -6
Yeah, great offer …. for UA. As UA originally saved newbie subscribers at least $2,000 with their deep discount Ultimate 10 deal, I don’t see how giving clients who have already paid 2x, 3x or maybe even more than 4x’s more to now spend more money to just get a discount addresses the initial inequality at all ? The least invested client, saved $2,000 plus and got all of Ultimate 10, while now, the much more heavily invested client, who may have already paid $1,000’s more, can now pay even more money to get a discount. Right:( Guess, I’m bad at math . |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 12:06:01 GMT -6
seems like 90% of the "loyal" users that got the offer feel the same as me - "well, I already bought all the UAD plugins I wanted...." Duh, a marketing smokescreen , rather than offering people something tangible back. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 12:10:15 GMT -6
It's just more of the same ham fisted marketing nonsense coming out of UA lately. And they only sent it out to a small test group, "to see how it goes" before they consider sending it out to "everyone" who meets the criteria. Not sure why all of that is necessary? But they'll continue to unnecessarily divide people up into groups which will inherently piss people off... Fuckin clown show. And the worst thing is , they are letting down those people who built their business over years of support and large expense , and then giving the best plug in deal to new clients, who had subscribed for 3-6 months, the minimum expense. Go figure ? |
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Post by notneeson on Jan 30, 2024 12:26:33 GMT -6
seems like 90% of the "loyal" users that got the offer feel the same as me - "well, I already bought all the UAD plugins I wanted...." Duh, a marketing smokescreen , rather than offering people something tangible back. You guys aren’t expecting cash, are you? 😂 |
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2024 12:58:26 GMT -6
Duh, a marketing smokescreen , rather than offering people something tangible back. You guys aren’t expecting cash, are you? 😂 Ha. That'd be nice. Actually, I'm not expecting much from UA these days. They've done a great job of pissing off some older customers. I honestly have all of the plugins I could ever need or want from them, and my Apollos work just fine. I mostly just want UA to get serious again about customer service, and stop being so CORPORATE, even though I know they likely won't. That doesn't mean I still won't make loud noises about it, in the off chance that they could be convinced to have a change of heart if enough people collectively let them know about their dissatisfaction. The UA marketing tail is totally wagging the customer service dog these days. |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 30, 2024 14:26:04 GMT -6
Duh, a marketing smokescreen , rather than offering people something tangible back. You guys aren’t expecting cash, are you? 😂  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 30, 2024 15:02:56 GMT -6
Duh, a marketing smokescreen , rather than offering people something tangible back. You guys aren’t expecting cash, are you? 😂 I am expecting nothing, but since UA saved others $1,000’s, I wondered what more tangible gesture, to address the cost inequity it would come up with. I expected to be disappointed, in the sense that I thought UA’s program would fall short: just as it does. |
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Post by Quint on Jan 30, 2024 15:08:05 GMT -6
You guys aren’t expecting cash, are you? 😂 I am expecting nothing, but since UA saved others $1,000’s, I wondered what more tangible gesture, to address the cost inequity it would come up with. I expected to be disappointed, in the sense that I thought UA’s program would fall short: just as it does. When I talk to Drew at UA, the phrase that often bubbles up to the back of my mind is: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining"... |
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Post by viciousbliss on Jan 30, 2024 15:10:06 GMT -6
Why not just toss us all a free pick 4 custom bundle? Doesn't really offset much, but it's something I guess. They're devaluing their own brand by getting into PA and Waves territory with prices. That's as big a problem as giving all the new customers the best deals. Most of us have what we want from UAD already. It might be tough to find 4 plugins we'd have a use for. Maybe toss some coupons with the custom 4 as well? There aren't a lot of great ideas out there.
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Post by doubledog on Jan 30, 2024 15:31:34 GMT -6
Why not just toss us all a free pick 4 custom bundle? Doesn't really offset much, but it's something I guess. They're devaluing their own brand by getting into PA and Waves territory with prices. That's as big a problem as giving all the new customers the best deals. Most of us have what we want from UAD already. It might be tough to find 4 plugins we'd have a use for. Maybe toss some coupons with the custom 4 as well? There aren't a lot of great ideas out there. or even one or two? i mean if we already bought 100's... But clearly the idea is for us to just send them more money (vs. any kind of loyalty "thank you"). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 16:09:31 GMT -6
If we talk hardware controlled by software, are peeps not Bettermaker fans or it just hasn’t been discussed ? I'm surprised I haven't reviewed or mentioned more about them, in short the BetterMaker mastering limiter is absolutely great at everything but brick wall limiting. The M/S compression function with harmonic manipulation is a thing of beauty and the displays are very useful. It really can add extra width, dimension, punch (if you don't overdo it) and gives a decent insight..
As a standalone mastering limiter it's IMO far better than UA's precision limiter but to be honest, it is one of the worst plugins I've ever bought. I've also had better success with it than Tokyo Dawns Limiter 6 GE as a brick wall but this plugin is sorta like the BM, it's great at a lot of stuff other than it's intended use. Like the HF limiter is a really good de-esser in relative mode. Ultimately I tend to tuck the BM behind a powerhouse brick wall plugin like Ozone, if you ever want stupid loud with minimal effects that's the way to do it. Nowaday's though I look for a bit more balance so I do two slight stage reductions between the BM & Ozone, I like it..
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2024 18:16:17 GMT -6
Yeah, great offer …. for UA. As UA originally saved newbie subscribers at least $2,000 with their deep discount Ultimate 10 deal, I don’t see how giving clients who have already paid 2x, 3x or maybe even more than 4x’s more to now spend more money to just get a discount addresses the initial inequality at all ? The least invested client, saved $2,000 plus and got all of Ultimate 10, while now, the much more heavily invested client, who may have already paid $1,000’s more, can now pay even more money to get a discount. Right:( Guess, I’m bad at math . Were you expecting them to give you something free? Edit: just read the rest of the thread. Maybe I’m just used to the short end of the stick, but I figured it would be in the form of a coupon. I mean, in the past, we agreed to a transaction at a specific price, so I just kind of write it off as “the way the cookie crumbles.” You can buy a car and they can change the body style the next year and you’re kinda screwed. I’ve bought Mac’s for years…but I don’t really expect a loyalty discount from them. Hey - if they threw me a coupon for 80% off, I’d be pretty excited for the opportunity. Why aren’t we excited here? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2024 18:35:48 GMT -6
Hey - I get just being turned off by a company. I emailed Evanna Manley one time (the email was on the site at the time or something like that.) I had a song in the top 5 at the time and would have been remiss if I hadn’t asked. Asked if they offered artist deals - it was a very polite email. Got an email back from her that read (this is from memory, but wasn’t far off) “are you Sting or Prince? Because they both paid full price for theirs.”
Dude. I will NEVER buy a piece of Manley gear. Ever. She can kiss my ass. At the time, I was flush with money and would have bought a shit load. But I spent it somewhere else. I would have been fine with a “No” that a little more humble - like “I would love to discount, but we don’t have artist pricing as a rule so it’s fair to everyone…etc” But she decided to try and put me in my place. Kiss. My. Ass.
So I completely understand feeling slighted.
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