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Post by ericn on Jan 4, 2024 20:50:09 GMT -6
I know. AES seems to be endangered these days. Particularly more than a stereo pair. yeah, good point - to be clear, I’m talking about 8 channels of AES. Putting them on a DB25 is fine. I’m in complete agreement but lesson # 38 in audio ADAT transmitter and receivers are fing cheap. |
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Post by professorplum on Jan 4, 2024 20:57:35 GMT -6
Why don't any of these companies just add 2 line outs to a simple interface like this so you can run some master buss gear out and back in? Feels like all the options for interfaces are either no line outs, or a ton.
I've seen a handful (Apollo) that have line outs but it seems like a rarity and not the norm. Makes buying a simple interface that just needs stereo outboard processing a real pain.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 4, 2024 20:59:57 GMT -6
yeah, good point - to be clear, I’m talking about 8 channels of AES. Putting them on a DB25 is fine. I’m in complete agreement but lesson # 38 in audio ADAT transmitter and receivers are fing cheap. Yeah...I'm over ADAT and OPT |
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Post by raddistribution on Jan 4, 2024 21:05:33 GMT -6
Correct, 1/4 trs into the center of the combo jack is line level Thank you so much for your great posts, Seth. Do you have a recommendation on AES to spdif cables or converters? Honestly I’ve never once had one on hand whenever I need one and always find myself having to make them |
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Post by ericn on Jan 4, 2024 22:12:46 GMT -6
I’m in complete agreement but lesson # 38 in audio ADAT transmitter and receivers are fing cheap. Yeah...I'm over ADAT and OPT It’s a price point and space thing unfortunately, if this thing is as good as you, a pair of ears I trust say RAD / BLA have an opportunity I hope they are smart enough to run with it. |
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Post by robo on Jan 5, 2024 10:57:58 GMT -6
Why don't any of these companies just add 2 line outs to a simple interface like this so you can run some master buss gear out and back in? Feels like all the options for interfaces are either no line outs, or a ton. I've seen a handful (Apollo) that have line outs but it seems like a rarity and not the norm. Makes buying a simple interface that just needs stereo outboard processing a real pain. Get a Hilo. Separate DA for line outs and monitor outs. I think there are a couple of other comparable interfaces out there nowadays. |
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Post by professorplum on Jan 5, 2024 14:36:42 GMT -6
Why don't any of these companies just add 2 line outs to a simple interface like this so you can run some master buss gear out and back in? Feels like all the options for interfaces are either no line outs, or a ton. I've seen a handful (Apollo) that have line outs but it seems like a rarity and not the norm. Makes buying a simple interface that just needs stereo outboard processing a real pain. Get a Hilo. Separate DA for line outs and monitor outs. I think there are a couple of other comparable interfaces out there nowadays. Ya it's a different ballgame at $3,000 vs $350, but I still can't figure out why more mid priced small interface options don't have a couple line outs since it can't cost very much for the manufacturer. I guess they assume absolutely everyone who would use a 2 channel interface would never be using outboard gear? |
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Post by robo on Jan 5, 2024 15:32:29 GMT -6
Just spitballing, but I’m guessing it’s a pretty niche market in the grand scheme of podcasters and kids growing up with plugins.
Still, I agree, as good conversion gets cheaper it would certainly be nice to have some cheaper options.
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Post by ericn on Jan 5, 2024 15:52:12 GMT -6
Get a Hilo. Separate DA for line outs and monitor outs. I think there are a couple of other comparable interfaces out there nowadays. Ya it's a different ballgame at $3,000 vs $350, but I still can't figure out why more mid priced small interface options don't have a couple line outs since it can't cost very much for the manufacturer. I guess they assume absolutely everyone who would use a 2 channel interface would never be using outboard gear? Small seams to be the standard so space, but if you want 2 pairs of outputs simply split the outputs via Y cable or patchbay mults and use a monitor controller for monitoring volume. All a unit with duplicate outputs is going to do is the exact same thing on a PCB, vs outboard cabling. |
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Post by mattbroiler on Jan 5, 2024 17:29:32 GMT -6
slightly off topic regarding i/o on smaller/less expensive audio devices...most do not but some of them have the additional line outs as mentioned
I recently grabbed a Roland Rubix 2x4 usb bus powered class compliant interface for $180ish - it has four line outputs which is the feature I needed
the similarly priced UAD Volt has monitor outputs plus 4x line out I almost went for that one however -
the Rubix has ground lift and loopback function built in also midi connections and a simple comp/limiter onboard
Metal chassis with a solid heavy feel
I have not had it long but so far it works nicely and appears to be a well thought out device
only gripe might be that the loopback audio comes in on playback 1/2 not 3/4 but I can work with that
the BLA Revolution 6x6 is getting my attention for sure - at that price it's very tempting for the conversion and clocking
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 13:02:50 GMT -6
Been listening on and off for about three days...and my opinion hasn't changed. The Black Lion DA completely holds its own with the Burl. In someways even better. STILL waiting for this stupid cable to be able to compare running through the Trinnov. Think that will either confirm I'm keeping this thing or not. Also haven't tried the AD yet...damn cable.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 17:26:35 GMT -6
So I got tire of waiting...I have to go Spdif out of Apollo into AES of the Trinnov. Then AES out of the Trinnov into spdif in of the Revolution. I had two Male AES to spidf, so I got a xlr female to xlr female adapter that allows me to get back into the Revolution. OK...so it's all working. I profiled my room on the Trinnov with the Revolution DA. (Not that it should be very different...but it was a little.) AD Test These are two vocals recorded with the exact same chain, but one going into the Apollo AD and the other take going into the Revolution. The Apollo was clocked with the Burl DA on one and clocked with the Rev on the other. I honestly don't really hear much difference. I do think one might handle the mids a little better than the other. Maybe one is a little bigger on the bottom than the other. But they're very close. See if you guys hear anything that might make you think one would be an issue once you've layered a bunch of tracks - not that one necessarily would do that - but maybe some of you eagle ears might hear something I don't. I miiiiight hear a little tightness in the mids at times where I don't think the other one does that...but who knows - could just be the separate takes. That being said, I do think I prefer the Revolution DA. It's just cleaner up top. Don't know how else to describe it. See if you guys can pick out which you think is which... Clip A - drive.google.com/file/d/1F5eEAzPlm8lD4W7Vag9uIHnoY6ZSuE8H/view?usp=sharingClip B - drive.google.com/file/d/1jRDajKhqxDq0eTm4WS_ARJt1glykrCqw/view?usp=sharing |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2024 17:37:07 GMT -6
On solo Vox I preferred b thought it had a little more body and smoothness. A sounded more linear, a little less full, so I wonder on a full mix I might prefer A. So, I think A is bla? Do I win a free b2?  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2024 17:41:35 GMT -6
Not certain if I am experientially cheating, as I had my SF apollo bla modded and A reminded me of how I thought my bla modded apollo sounded: for what it’s worth:)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 18:10:28 GMT -6
I think you're right about B having more body...but there are spots in B - listen to the second "Girl I know the difference" and at the end "When we argue fuss and fight." I haven't put them on a freq spectrum to see what the khz is, but I swear I hear some nastiness up top and a a push in the 2-4khz region when I really lay into notes. Seems like the other handles that better?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 18:10:47 GMT -6
On solo Vox I preferred b thought it had a little more body and smoothness. A sounded more linear, a little less full, so I wonder on a full mix I might prefer A. So, I think A is bla? Do I win a free b2? Yes, for $1600 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2024 18:14:23 GMT -6
Cdn ? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2024 18:15:29 GMT -6
I think you're right about B having more body...but there are spots in B - listen to the second "Girl I know the difference" and at the end "When we argue fuss and fight." I haven't put them on a freq spectrum to see what the khz is, but I swear I hear some nastiness up top and a a push in the 2-4khz region when I really lay into notes. Seems like the other handles that better? Yes, I thought A had more air but not in a strident way . |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 19:11:32 GMT -6
I'm getting super nerdy, but is it more air or less bottom?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2024 19:26:32 GMT -6
I'm getting super nerdy, but is it more air or less bottom? I think yes, but that could also be the extra linearity, if B has more mid and lower mid, harder to hear the lower parts, distinctly, maybe A is the truer representation. The first time I turned on my bla modded SF apollo, I completely understood what people then meant about that gen 1 apollo sound, the lower mid push/blossom, it just wasn’t there anymore. At first, I thought bass was light, then I realized, I was-hearing those frequencies more accurately, so you would mix into that conversion with more precision. I’d stop second guessing yourself, you know which one you prefer, go with it! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 19:37:22 GMT -6
Only thing I don't like is that its max output seems to be about 4 db less than the Burl. Finding I'm cranking my monitor controller more.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 19:51:31 GMT -6
Actually, scratch that...the Burl is actually putting out a lot more volume. That might be a deal breaker for me. Maybe there's no problem with it, but having my monitor controller up to almost zero bothers me. I think Seth mentioned that the EXT actually has +4 db more output...so maybe the bigger interfaces will have more output.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 6, 2024 21:20:29 GMT -6
Actually, scratch that...the Burl is actually putting out a lot more volume. That might be a deal breaker for me. Maybe there's no problem with it, but having my monitor controller up to almost zero bothers me. I think Seth mentioned that the EXT actually has +4 db more output...so maybe the bigger interfaces will have more output. I think the spec sheet on the EXP had outputs at 15db which is 5db lower than my MOTU AO. That's a challenge cuz I'm already wishiing the AO was hotter so I could push the Orbit harder. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2024 21:21:56 GMT -6
Actually, scratch that...the Burl is actually putting out a lot more volume. That might be a deal breaker for me. Maybe there's no problem with it, but having my monitor controller up to almost zero bothers me. I think Seth mentioned that the EXT actually has +4 db more output...so maybe the bigger interfaces will have more output. I think the spec sheet on the EXT had outputs at 15db which is 5db lower than my MOTU AO. That's a challenge cuz I'm already wishiing the AO was hotter so I could push the Orbit harder. Yeah. I hadn’t really considered it before finally getting this hooked up with everything…but I know uts going to bother me. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 6, 2024 21:29:30 GMT -6
I think the spec sheet on the EXT had outputs at 15db which is 5db lower than my MOTU AO. That's a challenge cuz I'm already wishiing the AO was hotter so I could push the Orbit harder. Yeah. I hadn’t really considered it before finally getting this hooked up with everything…but I know uts going to bother me. Just checked spec sheets. 6x6 is +12.3db max output EXP is +16db For comparison MOTU 828es +20db Cranborne 500r8 +24db |
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