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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2024 9:09:27 GMT -6
Thanks for the input Josh! I guess for me, I'm going to need to do a hardware heavy mix, then do chain traces for every channel of the mix, then recreate the mix with the traces and see how close they come. I suspect there will be level differences that will kill making it a perfect (or as close to perfect as possible) recall of the mix. I'm kinda guessing that by the time I do 40+ chains that it might be easier just to recall the hardware mix (as I generally leave most things fairly static on the hardware end.). I'll have to give it a go when I've got more time to play.... Cheers, There are level differences so that would actually not make it ideal for traditional mix recalls now that I think of it. I’m going to do an in depth review soon to talk about all the pros and cons and really get into the weeds of the tracing process and what I found worked best. Basically if you have your compressor dialed in on a vocal, when you’re running the tracer tone through it, it may be hitting the comp harder than your vocal was so you have to adjust accordingly to keep the headroom the plug-in likes to see. In the traces I made, I accounted for the level difference in the plug-in in either the make up gain of the compressor section or the output slider of the plug-in. I did it to a/b at equal volume to try and get the traces as close to the hardware but it was pretty time consuming. Thanks for the details Josh!! Yeah, that pretty much kills it for the application I was hoping for. And kind of what I was expecting / alluding to. I'll probably wait at this point for tech to develop a bit more. Thanks again for the heads up / descriptions. Cheers, |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 8, 2024 11:40:05 GMT -6
A curiosity question, how does the control hub tracing work? is it basically a snapshot? The problem with most products who aim for profiling is that it's actually not emulations, like all the IR cab crap etc. So it's just a given profile at a given moment, not the actual behaviour of the unit with an infinite number of variations. Does the Control Hub work differently? From what I can tell that's how it works. Good for grabbing tone and shorter releases. My guess is eventually someone will figure out how to do the variations. Or has someone already done this and I'm unfamiliar? drbill what's been working for me is to drop the reference sampling 6dB then bring it back up in the gain of the color module. After messaging seawell to get capture advice and then A/B testing vs my HW chain that so far has given the best results. These rules go out the window a bit with dynamics, I've been experimenting as anything above time constant 3 on my Anamod AM660's just didn't sound the same with the release, on TC 1,2,2a,2b, and 3 it was closer if I didn't adjust anything but the threshold. Also worth throwing it back in PD to help match levels vs HW. It's been a fun and interesting learning experimenting with captures, you never realize all the possible variations you impart when just twisting knobs till it sounds good. Picking a setting, how you commonly use it, how hard you hit it, etc. seems to be more important than the actual capture process. Could be great and helpful if you're a set and forget person, probably less so if you're a tweaker or unsure of what you're going for. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2024 13:58:24 GMT -6
drbill what's been working for me is..... <snip> Thanks for the tips. But I'm looking for a 100% drop on a printed track with automation and have it 100% recallable without issue or fiddling. It's obviously not there yet, or not intended for that workflow. Honestly, with how I use my hardware, there are only a small handful of tweaks on my gear per mix. Easier and faster just to recall it and remix. Thx. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 8, 2024 14:53:11 GMT -6
drbill what's been working for me is..... <snip> Thanks for the tips. But I'm looking for a 100% drop on a printed track with automation and have it 100% recallable without issue or fiddling. It's obviously not there yet, or not intended for that workflow. Honestly, with how I use my hardware, there are only a small handful of tweaks on my gear per mix. Easier and faster just to recall it and remix. Thx. Damn, there goes my plan for getting you to spend the next 6 months sampling all your gear and then sharing it with us. |
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Post by wiz on Jan 8, 2024 14:59:53 GMT -6
2024 Q Clone? Or different?
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Post by drbill on Jan 8, 2024 17:36:59 GMT -6
Thanks for the tips. But I'm looking for a 100% drop on a printed track with automation and have it 100% recallable without issue or fiddling. It's obviously not there yet, or not intended for that workflow. Honestly, with how I use my hardware, there are only a small handful of tweaks on my gear per mix. Easier and faster just to recall it and remix. Thx. Damn, there goes my plan for getting you to spend the next 6 months sampling all your gear and then sharing it with us. Hahahaaaaa!!  |
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Post by eq on Mar 27, 2024 17:24:31 GMT -6
Just a heads up I got an email from STL Tones, they have an Easter sale starting this Friday 50% of site wide
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Post by phdamage on Mar 28, 2024 10:05:30 GMT -6
has anyone used this for "printing" hardware settings? i'm curious how close it has come for you. I just would love to use more hardware for mixing but recall is a huge pain in the ass aside from the stam 609 (stepped)
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Post by Darren Boling on Mar 29, 2024 10:10:31 GMT -6
It takes some work to get the captures correct but it can get very close on most everything except long and/or dual releases.
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Post by seawell on Mar 29, 2024 22:33:14 GMT -6
has anyone used this for "printing" hardware settings? i'm curious how close it has come for you. I just would love to use more hardware for mixing but recall is a huge pain in the ass aside from the stam 609 (stepped) I usually just opt for the "commit" feature in Pro Tools and let the hardware print to that track, then move on and use it somewhere else. Where I'm finding Control Hub most useful is on stereo tracks like piano or drum buss where I can use the trace of the RS124(when I only have one hardware unit). On the last mix I did, I had the Stam ADG on the lead vocal and used control hub traces of it on kick and snare. They sounded great and I never felt compelled to try the hardware there to see if there was any difference. It has definitely been a very useful tool for me. |
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Post by phdamage on Mar 30, 2024 20:21:11 GMT -6
has anyone used this for "printing" hardware settings? i'm curious how close it has come for you. I just would love to use more hardware for mixing but recall is a huge pain in the ass aside from the stam 609 (stepped) I usually just opt for the "commit" feature in Pro Tools and let the hardware print to that track, then move on and use it somewhere else. Where I'm finding Control Hub most useful is on stereo tracks like piano or drum buss where I can use the trace of the RS124(when I only have one hardware unit). On the last mix I did, I had the Stam ADG on the lead vocal and used control hub traces of it on kick and snare. They sounded great and I never felt compelled to try the hardware there to see if there was any difference. It has definitely been a very useful tool for me. My concern is mostly about hardware on my 2 bus. I would like to think that I can recall the hardware but I dunno, anything that isn’t stepped I always feel like I’m messing it up and second guessing |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 7, 2024 17:22:06 GMT -6
Nothing pisses me off more than trying to demo something and you can't get it to work. Downloaded and looking forward to trying this out and the verification code never gets sent and can't run the software. I've got a message out to tech support.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 7, 2024 17:43:52 GMT -6
OK - finally came after an hour.
Uh. This thing is pretty freaking phenomenal. I've just put two artist chains on Drumbus and Bass and I think it might sound better than both of mine. I'm kind of depressed.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 7, 2024 21:41:32 GMT -6
Just had a crash in Pro Tools while using it and PT hasn't crashed in forever...(did I really just say that?)
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Post by Ted Swan on May 7, 2024 23:29:19 GMT -6
Just had a crash in Pro Tools while using it and PT hasn't crashed in forever...(did I really just say that?) Hey! Curious, Mac or Windows? If Mac, intel or M1? I had a crazy persistent gui freezing bug that would crash PT constantly with ControlHub. I was on Mac intel. Happened both on an intel machine and then in Rosetta. They were aware of it and tried to fix it though it never seemed to go away. Since going fully silicon native it hasn’t happened once… |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2024 5:50:26 GMT -6
Just had a crash in Pro Tools while using it and PT hasn't crashed in forever...(did I really just say that?) Hey! Curious, Mac or Windows? If Mac, intel or M1? I had a crazy persistent gui freezing bug that would crash PT constantly with ControlHub. I was on Mac intel. Happened both on an intel machine and then in Rosetta. They were aware of it and tried to fix it though it never seemed to go away. Since going fully silicon native it hasn’t happened once… Mac M1. Used it more and didn’t have a crash, but I definitely think it was the cause of it. I’m using Rosetta. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2024 10:22:24 GMT -6
Third crash now. I was in the trace exchange downloading different traces...crash. That said, I think I can live with it
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2024 10:27:10 GMT -6
Crash 4. Might not be worth it for me.
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Post by Ted Swan on May 8, 2024 10:46:08 GMT -6
Crash 4. Might not be worth it for me. Ouch. Yes, this describes my consistent experience. Maybe whenever you make the jump to native silicon you could revisit it. It's fun when it works. And for me, it's been rock solid since I switched over. |
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Post by ragan on May 8, 2024 10:59:11 GMT -6
Johnkenn you know what never crashes your DAW…that 1178
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 8, 2024 11:26:50 GMT -6
Crash 4. Might not be worth it for me. You're like a cooler for new music tech. On the other hand, it's a safe bet that if John can get it to work it will work for anybody. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2024 11:28:21 GMT -6
Johnkenn you know what never crashes your DAW…that 1178 Thought about just buying another one. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2024 11:29:19 GMT -6
Crash 4. Might not be worth it for me. You're like a cooler for new music tech. On the other hand, it's a safe bet that if John can get it to work it will work for anybody. Well apparently I don't carry a lot of weight, because I've NEVER been offered free shit for my take on something. I'd gladly sell out for the right price. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 8, 2024 11:33:23 GMT -6
You're like a cooler for new music tech. On the other hand, it's a safe bet that if John can get it to work it will work for anybody. Well apparently I don't carry a lot of weight, because I've NEVER been offered free shit for my take on something. I'd gladly sell out for the right price. That's because they all know whatever they send you won't work. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 8, 2024 12:48:49 GMT -6
You're right! No crashes with Native. Looks like all my plugs (that I want) are working. Thanks! Gonna stay this way.
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