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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 14:27:58 GMT -6
Hey guys...I've been playing around with STL Controlhub using the tracer feature to make plug-ins of all my hardware. I've spent way more time than any sane person would getting it all as close to my hardware as humanly possible. Anyway, I uploaded them all the the tracer exchange so if you own the plug-in you can grab them for free! I'm the first one to add the Chandler RS124 and Focusrite Red 3 there. I'll do a more in depth review at some point but they are having a 30% off sale today so just wanted to do a live stream real quick in case anyone is interested. *In the spirit of full disclosure, I bought the plug-in myself and STL didn't ask me to do this/doesn't know I'm doing it : ) Check it out and see what you guys think, I do a little blind A/B before the reveal of each one: youtube.com/live/XgLDg_u2Q7U?feature=share1:27 Acoustic Guitar(RS124 Shootout) 7:17 Mix Buss(Red 3 Shootout) Also, here are 96kHz/24 bit files from the shootout: www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/3awihq4y8swdbjc8hn6g9/h?rlkey=dar2rowpsrupyybtht2ulofo1&dl=0A .pdf Key is included with the answers of which is which, enjoy : ) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2023 14:51:17 GMT -6
Cool, thx Josh, Is $199 the sale price ?
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Post by centralpark on Dec 26, 2023 14:57:26 GMT -6
this looks really really smart.
Sounds great now and I'm going to imagine it can only get better with time. Plus with more people adding their gear over time this could hopefully get massive with all kinds of esoteric gear.
I was wondering if there was going to be something in the future that could knock out Acustica in terms of reproducing actual hardware, and it looks like it's already here.
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 14:57:38 GMT -6
Cool, thx Josh, Is $199 the sale price ? $199 is full price, I think it adds the 30% coupon automatically when you view it in the cart 👍🏻 |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 14:58:33 GMT -6
this looks really really smart. Sounds great now and I'm going to imagine it can only get better with time. Plus with more people adding their gear over time this could hopefully get massive with all kinds of esoteric gear. I was wondering if there was going to be something in the future that could knock out Acustica in terms of reproducing actual hardware, and it looks like it's already here. I was thinking the same thing regarding acustica. This sounds great to me without all the acustica headaches. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2023 14:58:46 GMT -6
Looks like buying the plug does not get you all its features: extensions and tracer are ongoing add ons?
At least $15 or $180 annually, ok for pro users, not so attractive for me.
It has a good demo is you are curious.
Strategic crippling (limiting) of features and only being able to get them subscribing, ie, ongoing costs is not a plug in model I find very appealing.
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 15:10:54 GMT -6
Looks like buying the plug does not get you all its features: extensions and tracer are ongoing add ons? At least $15 or $180 annually, ok for pro users, not so attractive for me. It has a good demo is you are curious. Strategic crippling (limiting) of features and only being able to get them subscribing, ie, ongoing costs is not a plug in model I find very appealing. I have no subscription. I bought it outright. When I bought it initially tracer wasn’t a thing yet but when it was released I bought it as an outright add on as well. I’ll take a look and see the best way to get it. I know they try and steer you towards a subscription but I’m also not interested in any subscriptions at this point. Did that for a bit but didn’t enjoy that business model. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2023 15:20:28 GMT -6
Hey guys...I've been playing around with STL Controlhub using the tracer feature to make plug-ins of all my hardware. I've spent way more time than any sane person would getting it all as close to my hardware as humanly possible. Anyway, I uploaded them all the the tracer exchange so if you own the plug-in you can grab them for free! I'm the first one to add the Chandler RS124 and Focusrite Red 3 there. I'll do a more in depth review at some point but they are having a 30% off sale today so just wanted to do a live stream real quick in case anyone is interested. *In the spirit of full disclosure, I bought the plug-in myself and STL didn't ask me to do this/doesn't know I'm doing it : ) Check it out and see what you guys think, I do a little blind A/B before the reveal of each one: youtube.com/live/XgLDg_u2Q7U?feature=shareWell! This is interesting. Is it like a Kemper or Tonex type thing to model the units? |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 15:23:48 GMT -6
Hey guys...I've been playing around with STL Controlhub using the tracer feature to make plug-ins of all my hardware. I've spent way more time than any sane person would getting it all as close to my hardware as humanly possible. Anyway, I uploaded them all the the tracer exchange so if you own the plug-in you can grab them for free! I'm the first one to add the Chandler RS124 and Focusrite Red 3 there. I'll do a more in depth review at some point but they are having a 30% off sale today so just wanted to do a live stream real quick in case anyone is interested. *In the spirit of full disclosure, I bought the plug-in myself and STL didn't ask me to do this/doesn't know I'm doing it : ) Check it out and see what you guys think, I do a little blind A/B before the reveal of each one: youtube.com/live/XgLDg_u2Q7U?feature=shareWell! This is interesting. Is it like a Kemper or Tonex type thing to model the units? I think so, to do a Control Hub trace it plays some intergalactic sounds 🤣. It's an easy process but I did mute it after a while as it's pretty wild sounding. |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 15:26:55 GMT -6
Ok just checked, the plug in on sale is $139.90 and the Tracer Add On is $69.30 on sale so $208.60 total. Not cheap and again...I get no kick back or anything from this...just wanted to pass along in case anyone else has had their fill of the usual plug in clones(that's pretty much what led me down this path.) So that tracer add on will allow you to grab all my traces for free(along with anything else on the tracer exchange) and you can trace your own gear as well if you'd like 👍🏼
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Post by Quint on Dec 26, 2023 15:27:31 GMT -6
Interesting. I assume this is some kind of AI/convolution tech going on behind the scenes?
I've pretty much given up on Acustica, because the guy who runs that company is a clown and, even if he wasn't, it's just too many headaches to deal with on a regular basis. I don't need some random noise spike blowing out my monitors because they couldn't be bothered to sufficiently QA/QC their own product. The installation process is also just, ugh....
But I do still recognize the benefits of the convolution modeling they kind of pioneered. So I'd be interested how well STL works.
I'm wondering how it captures the full range of settings, versus just a static snapshot, which is what it seems to be doing? I don't understand how it can sample all of the settings on a given piece of gear without someone sampling it at all of the various settings?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2023 15:27:51 GMT -6
I think as an original owner you were grandfathered into tracer. i think current purchases have to buy extensions and tracer , but maybe I’m wrong.
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 15:30:40 GMT -6
Interesting. I assume this is some kind of AI/convolution tech going on behind the scenes? I've pretty much given up on Acustica, because the guy who runs that company is a clown and, even if he wasn't, it's just too many headaches to deal with on a regular basis. I don't need some random noise spike blowing out my monitors because a plugin maker couldn't be bothered to sufficiently QA/QC their own product. The installation process is also just, ugh.... But I do still recognize the benefits of the convolution modeling they kind of pioneered. So I'd be interested how well STL works. I'm wondering how it captures the full range of settings, versus just a static snapshot, which is what it seems to be doing? I don't understand how it can sample all of the settings on a given piece of gear without someone sampling it all if the various settings? I think you're right, it's more of a snapshot than a true capture of all settings. Having said that, whatever settings you capture it at, you do have the ability when using the plug-in to change ratio, attack, release, etc.. after the capture. So, the tracer is working to capture the overall tone and compression characteristics of the piece of gear and then you can tweak it and use it like you would a regular plug in from there. Because of that though, I did for example trace the RS124 at all the main Abbey Road settings so each capture would be as accurate as possible. |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 15:32:20 GMT -6
I think as an original owner you were grandfathered into tracer. i think current purchases have to buy extensions and tracer , but maybe I’m wrong. I bought tracer as an expansion when it was released, it just wasn't a thing when I bought the plug-in initially. When you're looking at the subscription and outright options for the plug-in, click the little + sign beside "explore all own outright options" and you should see the tracer add on. The website is definitely designed in a way to try and push you towards a subscription which is annoying! |
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Post by Quint on Dec 26, 2023 15:35:42 GMT -6
Interesting. I assume this is some kind of AI/convolution tech going on behind the scenes? I've pretty much given up on Acustica, because the guy who runs that company is a clown and, even if he wasn't, it's just too many headaches to deal with on a regular basis. I don't need some random noise spike blowing out my monitors because a plugin maker couldn't be bothered to sufficiently QA/QC their own product. The installation process is also just, ugh.... But I do still recognize the benefits of the convolution modeling they kind of pioneered. So I'd be interested how well STL works. I'm wondering how it captures the full range of settings, versus just a static snapshot, which is what it seems to be doing? I don't understand how it can sample all of the settings on a given piece of gear without someone sampling it all if the various settings? I think you're right, it's more of a snapshot than a true capture of all settings. Having said that, whatever settings you capture it at, you do have the ability when using the plug-in to change ratio, attack, release, etc.. after the capture. So, the capture is working to capture the overall tone and compression characteristics of the piece of gear and then you can tweak it and use it like you would a regular plug in from there. Because of that though, I did for example trace the RS124 at all the main Abbey Road settings so each capture would be as accurate as possible. Yeah, if you sort of had just a handful of settings that you ever used it might be easy enough to just sample those and then use whichever one you want. Anything more than that though, and now it's like using Nebula all over again. How does it allow you to change compressor settings? That seems impossible to me, at least with one static sample (not doubting you, just not understanding how this is possible). |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2023 15:46:02 GMT -6
Ok just checked, the plug in on sale is $139.90 and the Tracer Add On is $69.30 on sale so $208.60 total. Not cheap and again...I get no kick back or anything from this...just wanted to pass along in case anyone else has had their fill of the usual plug in clones(that's pretty much what led me down this path.) So that tracer add on will allow you to grab all my traces for free(along with anything else on the tracer exchange) and you can trace your own gear as well if you'd like 👍🏼 So what does it sound like? Do you have a list of the HW you've done? Can you just send me all your hardware now? |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 15:59:17 GMT -6
Ok just checked, the plug in on sale is $139.90 and the Tracer Add On is $69.30 on sale so $208.60 total. Not cheap and again...I get no kick back or anything from this...just wanted to pass along in case anyone else has had their fill of the usual plug in clones(that's pretty much what led me down this path.) So that tracer add on will allow you to grab all my traces for free(along with anything else on the tracer exchange) and you can trace your own gear as well if you'd like 👍🏼 So what does it sound like? Do you have a list of the HW you've done? Can you just send me all your hardware now? It sounds really great and the traces I made are now my favorite 1176, RS124 and Red 3 Plug-Ins by far. Way more character and hardware like compression to me. Does it make me want to sell my hardware? No. Having said that, I find it way more interesting than any plug-in I've tried in a long, long time. So far I've added my BLA Bluey, Focusrite Red 3, Chandler RS124 and Shadow Hills preamps. I've done multiple traces at different settings to cover all the bases of where I like the use those pieces. |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 16:03:25 GMT -6
I think you're right, it's more of a snapshot than a true capture of all settings. Having said that, whatever settings you capture it at, you do have the ability when using the plug-in to change ratio, attack, release, etc.. after the capture. So, the capture is working to capture the overall tone and compression characteristics of the piece of gear and then you can tweak it and use it like you would a regular plug in from there. Because of that though, I did for example trace the RS124 at all the main Abbey Road settings so each capture would be as accurate as possible. Yeah, if you sort of had just a handful of settings that you ever used it might be easy enough to just sample those and then use whichever one you want. Anything more than that though, and now it's like using Nebula all over again. How does it allow you to change compressor settings? That seems impossible to me, at least with one static sample. I'm going to do a much more in depth review asap. That's what I've been working on but when I saw this sale pop up, I thought I'd do a quick live stream just for now. I'm am not sure of the tech going on under the hood...from what it seems like to me, the trace gets a pretty darn great capture of the overall vibe of that piece of gear and then from that point...once you change attack, release, etc.. yes you're into plug-in land and you're doing something digitally at that point, but you never feel like you lose the spirit of that piece of gear you traced. If you do veer way out into somewhere like a super fast attack on a piece of gear that doesn't really work that way, you hear it and you can just find your way back in bounds. |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 16:10:50 GMT -6
For some reason I can't get this video to embed in the top post like normal(maybe because it was a live stream?) but there is a link there at I added timestamps to show the acoustic guitar(RS124 hardware vs controlhub shootout) and mix buss(red 3 hardware vs controlhub shootout). I'll see if I can add them as just audio files here in a bit as well. 1:27 Acoustic Guitar(RS124 Shootout) 7:17 Mix Buss(Red 3 Shootout) youtube.com/live/XgLDg_u2Q7U |
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Post by seawell on Dec 26, 2023 17:47:10 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 26, 2023 19:47:17 GMT -6
Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, Josh, and might not have a chance before the night is out, but really excited! This is what used to be exciting and promising about Nebula. Question: what is the CPU use like?? That’s obviously one of several areas where Acustica became a real PITA to work with… |
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Post by eq on Dec 26, 2023 20:00:27 GMT -6
Hey guys...I've been playing around with STL Controlhub using the tracer feature to make plug-ins of all my hardware. I've spent way more time than any sane person would getting it all as close to my hardware as humanly possible. Anyway, I uploaded them all the the tracer exchange so if you own the plug-in you can grab them for free! I'm the first one to add the Chandler RS124 and Focusrite Red 3 there. I'll do a more in depth review at some point but they are having a 30% off sale today so just wanted to do a live stream real quick in case anyone is interested. *In the spirit of full disclosure, I bought the plug-in myself and STL didn't ask me to do this/doesn't know I'm doing it : ) Check it out and see what you guys think, I do a little blind A/B before the reveal of each one: 1:27 Acoustic Guitar(RS124 Shootout) 7:17 Mix Buss(Red 3 Shootout) youtube.com/live/XgLDg_u2Q7U?feature=shareMr Seawell you have my attention sir ! Thanks for the vid and heads up on the sale. I have been curious about the STL plug but this Tracer function is definitely next level |
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Post by sirthought on Dec 26, 2023 20:19:46 GMT -6
Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, Josh, and might not have a chance before the night is out, but really excited! This is what used to be exciting and promising about Nebula. Question: what is the CPU use like?? That’s obviously one of several areas where Acustica became a real PITA to work with… Some hackers recently revealed that Acustica plugins would actually run very light if it weren't for their security software, which obviously didn't work with these hackers. This dude's delivery rubs me wrong, but the content of the video is very interesting. And...apparently Acustica has started to light up the load of some of their plugins in very recent updates. I don't follow this enough to know which ones, but I'd update their loader app to see what is new. |
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Post by eq on Dec 27, 2023 4:54:13 GMT -6
Well got side tracked with family and friends visiting for the holidays and missed the sale. $200 was a great intro but at $300 hopefully I can catch another sale in the near future
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 27, 2023 9:33:25 GMT -6
Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, Josh, and might not have a chance before the night is out, but really excited! This is what used to be exciting and promising about Nebula. Question: what is the CPU use like?? That’s obviously one of several areas where Acustica became a real PITA to work with… Some hackers recently revealed that Acustica plugins would actually run very light if it weren't for their security software, which obviously didn't work with these hackers. This dude's delivery rubs me wrong, but the content of the video is very interesting. And...apparently Acustica has started to light up the load of some of their plugins in very recent updates. I don't follow this enough to know which ones, but I'd update their loader app to see what is new. So if it wasn't for jerks like this stealing people's IP, everything could run smooth and fast. Noted. |
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