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Post by seawell on Dec 27, 2023 10:07:18 GMT -6
Well got side tracked with family and friends visiting for the holidays and missed the sale. $200 was a great intro but at $300 hopefully I can catch another sale in the near future Yeah full price is pretty steep for a plug-in these days. They do have sales throughout the year so hopefully there will be another one soon 👍🏻 |
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Post by seawell on Dec 27, 2023 12:04:53 GMT -6
Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, Josh, and might not have a chance before the night is out, but really excited! This is what used to be exciting and promising about Nebula. Question: what is the CPU use like?? That’s obviously one of several areas where Acustica became a real PITA to work with… CPU hasn't been an issue at all thankfully! I just added a bunch of instances of ControlHub all over a mix, lots of different traces, etc.. CPU usage hung around 30-35% with no stoppages, so far so good! This is on an Intel Mac Mini(3.2 GHz 6-Core Intel Core). |
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Post by eq on Dec 27, 2023 12:25:44 GMT -6
@seawall Thanks and btw just subscribed to your channel !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 12:26:42 GMT -6
Some hackers recently revealed that Acustica plugins would actually run very light if it weren't for their security software, which obviously didn't work with these hackers. This dude's delivery rubs me wrong, but the content of the video is very interesting. And...apparently Acustica has started to light up the load of some of their plugins in very recent updates. I don't follow this enough to know which ones, but I'd update their loader app to see what is new. So if it wasn't for jerks like this stealing people's IP, everything could run smooth and fast. Noted. What IP? Acoustica sample other manufacturers' devices to sell dynamic convolutions on top of usually primitive textbook digital algorithms. Maybe they should make something original for a change or try to write digital algorithms and programs with the same function as those devices so people will pay them money for better software instead of not paying money to fuck around with their ridiculous software. Their ridiculous anti-piracy encryption, the crazy facebook reactions to cracking attempts, and them installing spyware to see if their legitimate customers dare to use the more efficient cracked versions made them a target. The crackers want a challenge. Instead they just sample the same shit continuously and declare that whatever their new flux capacitor warp drive process is closer to analog but still with the same digital bs attached and many nonfunctional settings.
Triple AAA games can have Denuvo or put the code for the game on the server (Blizzard now) because there are no alternatives if you want to play the game. If some developer tried that for a compressor, well there are 5 other compressor that can do something similar and faders to ride yourself.
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Post by eq on Dec 27, 2023 12:29:51 GMT -6
So if it wasn't for jerks like this stealing people's IP, everything could run smooth and fast. Noted. Instead they just sample the same shit continuously and declare that whatever their new flux capacitor warp drive process is closer to analog but still with the same digital bs attached and many nonfunctional settings.
I'm sorry but the "flux capacitor" had me 😂 |
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Post by seawell on Dec 27, 2023 21:47:38 GMT -6
@seawall Thanks and btw just subscribed to your channel ! I truly appreciate that! 👊🏼 |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 27, 2023 23:28:57 GMT -6
So if it wasn't for jerks like this stealing people's IP, everything could run smooth and fast. Noted. What IP? Acoustica sample other manufacturers' devices to sell dynamic convolutions on top of usually primitive textbook digital algorithms. Maybe they should make something original for a change or try to write digital algorithms and programs with the same function as those devices so people will pay them money for better software instead of not paying money to fuck around with their ridiculous software. Their ridiculous anti-piracy encryption, the crazy facebook reactions to cracking attempts, and them installing spyware to see if their legitimate customers dare to use the more efficient cracked versions made them a target. The crackers want a challenge. Instead they just sample the same shit continuously and declare that whatever their new flux capacitor warp drive process is closer to analog but still with the same digital bs attached and many nonfunctional settings.
Triple AAA games can have Denuvo or put the code for the game on the server (Blizzard now) because there are no alternatives if you want to play the game. If some developer tried that for a compressor, well there are 5 other compressor that can do something similar and faders to ride yourself.
Good lord, I hadn’t heard about the spyware allegations. And only bits and pieces about the other allegations, because honestly, I don’t have time for this BS. Is there an easy way to tell if any of my Acustica plugs have spyware? And would removing those plugs with Aquarius actually remove the spyware, too? |
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 28, 2023 3:11:55 GMT -6
The concept of the robotic controlled by plugins is neat.
Does anyone have a robotic one I can hook up at the studio? Or is there programmer's corner somewhere so I can refit my gear with robotic controlls?
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 28, 2023 3:45:28 GMT -6
Is there an easy way to tell if any of my Acustica plugs have spyware? And would removing those plugs with Aquarius actually remove the spyware, too?
Download and run spybot search and destroy, then uninstall it and run malwarebytes and uninstall that.
The only one they have that is passing around a virus is their MP3 mixer. Looking out there, their install for some of their plugs to go into the nebula plugin folder is wrong and you have to change it.
But yes. Winblows consumer version sux because they don't have protected memory and programs can be hacked remotely. That is why when I found out about this I figured out how to make my stuff work in windows server desktop long ago because of the flaws in the consumer versions of windows and macOS.
Hackers suck
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Post by copperx on Dec 29, 2023 20:19:11 GMT -6
Is there an easy way to tell if any of my Acustica plugs have spyware? And would removing those plugs with Aquarius actually remove the spyware, too? The only one they have that is passing around a virus is their MP3 mixer. I think you're confusing Acoustica with Acustica Audio. |
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 30, 2023 8:03:10 GMT -6
I think you're confusing Acoustica with Acustica Audio.
That is the only thing that shows up when you search the two computer vulnerability databases.
I think its the memory management. I remembered someone wanted me to switch because windows 10+ is using the same kernel now as 2022 Server but I found out its not the same memory management or hardware management and driver inspection. So I will pass.
but back more on topic.
But I would love to find a program plugin that lets me configure switches and knobs that control physical knobs in gear. OSS Ethernet packet system seems to be the modern protocol people are using with controllers either over Ethernet or sent to a usb port via Bonjour. But I'm not a programmer. Just an electronics guy. But it would be neat to convert gear I make so I can make a recallible hardware unit. I know it has to be possible because of the company Bettermaker is making hardware with DAW recall.
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Post by doubledog on Dec 30, 2023 9:26:52 GMT -6
yeah, I think digital controls and robots moving knobs are 2 very different things lol
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Post by seawell on Dec 31, 2023 0:03:13 GMT -6
I think you're confusing Acoustica with Acustica Audio.
That is the only thing that shows up when you search the two computer vulnerability databases.
I think its the memory management. I remembered someone wanted me to switch because windows 10+ is using the same kernel now as 2022 Server but I found out its not the same memory management or hardware management and driver inspection. So I will pass.
but back more on topic.
But I would love to find a program plugin that lets me configure switches and knobs that control physical knobs in gear. OSS Ethernet packet system seems to be the modern protocol people are using with controllers either over Ethernet or sent to a usb port via Bonjour. But I'm not a programmer. Just an electronics guy. But it would be neat to convert gear I make so I can make a recallible hardware unit. I know it has to be possible because of the company Bettermaker is making hardware with DAW recall.
Maybe the folks at access analog could give some insight into how their set up works: accessanalog.com/ |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 6, 2024 9:57:25 GMT -6
I finally got around to testing this. It's pretty awesome! Thanks seawell for the RS124's! I'm excited to make some traces of my own. |
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Post by Ted Swan on Jan 6, 2024 14:02:20 GMT -6
Seawell, thanks so much for uploading your traces, especially the Red 3! I seriously love that preset. FG-Red, when oversampled, seems to operate pretty nicely but still doesn't swing and snap like the hardware sounds to me. This trace def has more vibe and feels more solid! The tone is great too!
I really dig this new platform. I still think ControlHub has a sound to it like any other plugin, but I've always personally believed that digital emulations are ultimately limited from being 100% by both computer capabilities, and more importantly the ears of the developers. Don't get me wrong, alot of these developers are amazing, but I tend to think that as humans, we each are naturally drawn to certain traits more than others. One company maybe gets saturation and vibe but doesn't seem to get the speed and accuracy. Other companies maybe get closer in speed and accuracy but seem to lack harmonics.
But for something like this where it's test tones and a Kemper like matching process, it seems to cover more of those traits with less human subjectivity and maybe more objectivity. It's not as flexible as a fully circuit modeled emulation, but achieving tones and solidity in the box like this is amazing to me.
I hope the platform and the community grows. I uploaded my Urei 1178 trace intended for a few db's of reduction. My fav way to compress overheads!!
Somebody trace their burl bomber adc! Would love to get that tone and transformer fun itb!
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Post by drbill on Jan 6, 2024 15:29:07 GMT -6
seawell - hey Josh - a question for you if you don't mind. I'm not likely to quit using my hybrid setup anytime soon, BUT - I'm curious on your opinion on this.... If I have multiple pieces (2-3-4+) of hardware on a channel, could I run the "tones" thru that channel and get a good playback emulation of all the hardware chain that I could print to individual duplicate tracks - in case of a potentially needed "remix" or set of tweaks somewhere down the road? What degree of accuracy in the chain would you expect percentage wise? I would really only be using the plugin to document the track and it's associated hardware chain - making potential recalls easier without the necessity of recalling the hardware. I would not be using it to "replace" or duplicate the hardware if that makes sense. I know the only real way of knowing is to try for myself, but before heading down that road, I thought I'd ask. Thanks!
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Post by seawell on Jan 6, 2024 16:25:08 GMT -6
seawell - hey Josh - a question for you if you don't mind. I'm not likely to quit using my hybrid setup anytime soon, BUT - I'm curious on your opinion on this.... If I have multiple pieces (2-3-4+) of hardware on a channel, could I run the "tones" thru that channel and get a good playback emulation of all the hardware chain that I could print to individual duplicate tracks - in case of a potentially needed "remix" or set of tweaks somewhere down the road? What degree of accuracy in the chain would you expect percentage wise? I would really only be using the plugin to document the track and it's associated hardware chain - making potential recalls easier without the necessity of recalling the hardware. I would not be using it to "replace" or duplicate the hardware if that makes sense. I know the only real way of knowing is to try for myself, but before heading down that road, I thought I'd ask. Thanks! Hey Bill! That's exactly one way I plan on using it. When tracing you can do the complete chain trace and it is intended to use with multiple pieces of gear like that. Is it identical to the hardware? No, unfortunately it is not. It doesn't null but it is the closest thing I've found, especially for being able to use YOUR gear and not just a generic emulation of something. It doesn't make me want to sell any of my hardware but I am excited about it opening up some new possibilities where at the very least, it will be something different and in my opinion better than your usual plugin suspects. I like the face that a trace is going though my gear, my converters, etc.. As close to the whole sound as I can get. I hope that helps! If you end up checking it out, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. |
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Post by seawell on Jan 6, 2024 16:26:02 GMT -6
I finally got around to testing this. It's pretty awesome! Thanks seawell for the RS124's! I'm excited to make some traces of my own. I'm so glad you're enjoying the RS124! I look forward to seeing what you trace in your studio. It's very exciting to think about having some sort of way to share our gear with one another. |
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Post by seawell on Jan 6, 2024 16:30:45 GMT -6
Seawell, thanks so much for uploading your traces, especially the Red 3! I seriously love that preset. FG-Red, when oversampled, seems to operate pretty nicely but still doesn't swing and snap like the hardware sounds to me. This trace def has more vibe and feels more solid! The tone is great too! I really dig this new platform. I still think ControlHub has a sound to it like any other plugin, but I've always personally believed that digital emulations are ultimately limited from being 100% by both computer capabilities, and more importantly the ears of the developers. Don't get me wrong, alot of these developers are amazing, but I tend to think that as humans, we each are naturally drawn to certain traits more than others. One company maybe gets saturation and vibe but doesn't seem to get the speed and accuracy. Other companies maybe get closer in speed and accuracy but seem to lack harmonics. But for something like this where it's test tones and a Kemper like matching process, it seems to cover more of those traits with less human subjectivity and maybe more objectivity. It's not as flexible as a fully circuit modeled emulation, but achieving tones and solidity in the box like this is amazing to me. I hope the platform and the community grows. I uploaded my Urei 1178 trace intended for a few db's of reduction. My fav way to compress overheads!! Somebody trace their burl bomber adc! Would love to get that tone and transformer fun itb! Thanks Ted! I'm so glad you're enjoying the Red 3! I'm going to grab your 1178 as that's one piece of hardware I always wanted but never got ahold of. Thanks for adding it! You're spot on, ControlHub isn't as full featured as most of the plug in emulations but most of us use our hardware on the same setting often so I think that helps. Also, for gear that I may use on multiple different settings, I'm just making multiple traces of them. Yes, when you trace it, you can technically drastically change the threshold, attack, release, etc.. but as I'm sure you've found, if you get too far away from the trace it gets a little wonky haha. Exciting stuff though and I'm having a blast with it so far! |
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 6, 2024 16:41:07 GMT -6
I spent the last few hours testing and making traces. I started with my passive St Ives 31267 box, which ironically was the one that was the hardest to match, kept playing with different levels to hit it at, got very close but didn't quite nail the dynamic aspects of it, I'll try again now that I've sampled more and have a better handle on the process. After that I did 3 different samples of an AMS Neve 1081, a smiley face, no eq, then 27hpf only, my Gates SA-70 clone, Anamod AM660 (only in TC1 so far), and my preferred bass setting for the API 550a (+2dB at 800 and 100). I feel those all got much closer, it even pulled out the natural tube compression from the SA-70. Overall really excited by the possibilities. All traces up on Tracehub if anyone wants to check them out.
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Post by drbill on Jan 6, 2024 18:02:13 GMT -6
seawell - hey Josh - a question for you if you don't mind. I'm not likely to quit using my hybrid setup anytime soon, BUT - I'm curious on your opinion on this.... If I have multiple pieces (2-3-4+) of hardware on a channel, could I run the "tones" thru that channel and get a good playback emulation of all the hardware chain that I could print to individual duplicate tracks - in case of a potentially needed "remix" or set of tweaks somewhere down the road? What degree of accuracy in the chain would you expect percentage wise? I would really only be using the plugin to document the track and it's associated hardware chain - making potential recalls easier without the necessity of recalling the hardware. I would not be using it to "replace" or duplicate the hardware if that makes sense. I know the only real way of knowing is to try for myself, but before heading down that road, I thought I'd ask. Thanks! Hey Bill! That's exactly one way I plan on using it. When tracing you can do the complete chain trace and it is intended to use with multiple pieces of gear like that. Is it identical to the hardware? No, unfortunately it is not. It doesn't null but it is the closest thing I've found, especially for being able to use YOUR gear and not just a generic emulation of something. It doesn't make me want to sell any of my hardware but I am excited about it opening up some new possibilities where at the very least, it will be something different and in my opinion better than your usual plugin suspects. I like the face that a trace is going though my gear, my converters, etc.. As close to the whole sound as I can get. I hope that helps! If you end up checking it out, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks for the input Josh! I guess for me, I'm going to need to do a hardware heavy mix, then do chain traces for every channel of the mix, then recreate the mix with the traces and see how close they come. I suspect there will be level differences that will kill making it a perfect (or as close to perfect as possible) recall of the mix. I'm kinda guessing that by the time I do 40+ chains that it might be easier just to recall the hardware mix (as I generally leave most things fairly static on the hardware end.). I'll have to give it a go when I've got more time to play.... Cheers, |
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Post by vintagelove on Jan 6, 2024 20:43:06 GMT -6
We will likely be seeing an explosion of this type of technology in a very short time. There are already free options that do this, but as they are intended for guitar players, the ones I know of at least (ML proteus and Neural) are mono only (and don't yet support 96k). The results are pretty decent, and also have a multisample machine training process that lets you model the behavior of a knob.
It really will change the plugin manufacturing field pretty radically. Once everyone has the ability to clone hardware to a pretty high standard through machine learning, maybe companies can finally move past trying to recreate circuits of the past, and take advantage of what digital excels at and create new tools that look forward instead...
BTW, hats off to Izotope who do a pretty good job of looking forward already.
I do have a particular box that I want to model, as it does something no other box I've come across does, and I don't want to drive the price through the roof, and with the "black box" machine learning process, I could integrate another piece of hardware with it that takes care of what of the quirks/faults of the circuit. Even if the machine learning gets the action 90% of the way there, it would actually be an improvement on the hardware, because you wouldn't have to work around the quirks. So...
I look forward to the coming change.
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Post by Darren Boling on Jan 7, 2024 22:10:32 GMT -6
It'll be interesting when they're able to have the trace be more time based, as is it seems to calculate a static snapshot, still really awesome and I love having it but when it can handle the more complex compressor releases and subtle movements of analog we'll really have something amazing.
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Post by seawell on Jan 8, 2024 6:55:40 GMT -6
Hey Bill! That's exactly one way I plan on using it. When tracing you can do the complete chain trace and it is intended to use with multiple pieces of gear like that. Is it identical to the hardware? No, unfortunately it is not. It doesn't null but it is the closest thing I've found, especially for being able to use YOUR gear and not just a generic emulation of something. It doesn't make me want to sell any of my hardware but I am excited about it opening up some new possibilities where at the very least, it will be something different and in my opinion better than your usual plugin suspects. I like the face that a trace is going though my gear, my converters, etc.. As close to the whole sound as I can get. I hope that helps! If you end up checking it out, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks for the input Josh! I guess for me, I'm going to need to do a hardware heavy mix, then do chain traces for every channel of the mix, then recreate the mix with the traces and see how close they come. I suspect there will be level differences that will kill making it a perfect (or as close to perfect as possible) recall of the mix. I'm kinda guessing that by the time I do 40+ chains that it might be easier just to recall the hardware mix (as I generally leave most things fairly static on the hardware end.). I'll have to give it a go when I've got more time to play.... Cheers, There are level differences so that would actually not make it ideal for traditional mix recalls now that I think of it. I’m going to do an in depth review soon to talk about all the pros and cons and really get into the weeds of the tracing process and what I found worked best. Basically if you have your compressor dialed in on a vocal, when you’re running the tracer tone through it, it may be hitting the comp harder than your vocal was so you have to adjust accordingly to keep the headroom the plug-in likes to see. In the traces I made, I accounted for the level difference in the plug-in in either the make up gain of the compressor section or the output slider of the plug-in. I did it to a/b at equal volume to try and get the traces as close to the hardware but it was pretty time consuming. |
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Post by niklas1073 on Jan 8, 2024 7:29:19 GMT -6
A curiosity question, how does the control hub tracing work? is it basically a snapshot?
The problem with most products who aim for profiling is that it's actually not emulations, like all the IR cab crap etc. So it's just a given profile at a given moment, not the actual behaviour of the unit with an infinite number of variations. Does the Control Hub work differently?
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