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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 24, 2023 20:51:03 GMT -6
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Post by noob on Dec 24, 2023 20:54:46 GMT -6
Those with the 013 FETS.... are you having the issues that I've seen mentioned with chipping paint, badges falling off, etc...? These mics have intrigued me and have come recommended from friends who have impressive mic collections (one has 6X KM84s and says he prefers 013 FET on acoustic), but those QC issues are what is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a pair. Never had any issues at all with mine. Quality control seems to be A1 with Soyuz from what I've seen.
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Post by smashlord on Dec 29, 2023 12:11:21 GMT -6
Those with the 013 FETS.... are you having the issues that I've seen mentioned with chipping paint, badges falling off, etc...? These mics have intrigued me and have come recommended from friends who have impressive mic collections (one has 6X KM84s and says he prefers 013 FET on acoustic), but those QC issues are what is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a pair. Never had any issues at all with mine. Quality control seems to be A1 with Soyuz from what I've seen. Ahh gotcha. I thought I saw a thread here (or maybe it was the "other" site) with a few people experiencing that. I own 023 and an 017 FET and I agree that in general the quality is top notch. The Bomblet is another fantastic Soyuz for acoustic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 10:45:57 GMT -6
Ironically against usual convention I've started using LDC's for guitars and SDC's for vocals. You just can't beat a U67 on acoustic, don't even mind a 251..
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Post by drumsound on Dec 30, 2023 11:48:56 GMT -6
Ironically against usual convention I've started using LDC's for guitars and SDC's for vocals. You just can't beat a U67 on acoustic, don't even mind a 251.. I believe a lot of the Motown vocal stuff was done with Neumann SDCs. I seem to remember years ago the Bob Ohlson said that, maybe they were KM54 or 56...
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 30, 2023 12:42:05 GMT -6
Ironically against usual convention I've started using LDC's for guitars and SDC's for vocals. You just can't beat a U67 on acoustic, don't even mind a 251.. I believe a lot of the Motown vocal stuff was done with Neumann SDCs. I seem to remember years ago the Bob Ohlson said that, maybe they were KM54 or 56... Pretty sure he said they had u67 which were then replaced by km86 in the latter half of the sixties km86s were on a ton oh those hits!!
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Post by drumsound on Dec 30, 2023 14:38:26 GMT -6
I believe a lot of the Motown vocal stuff was done with Neumann SDCs. I seem to remember years ago the Bob Ohlson said that, maybe they were KM54 or 56... Pretty sure he said they had u67 which were then replaced by km86 in the latter half of the sixties km86s were on a ton oh those hits!! Yes, that sounds familiar
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Post by bricejchandler on Dec 30, 2023 14:51:12 GMT -6
Km84s also are great on vocals.
I’ve used schoeps mk4s and 41s for vocals quite often
Not many people use sdcs on vocals just because it looks strange in the studio but they sound great
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Post by drbill on Dec 30, 2023 18:10:18 GMT -6
Ironically against usual convention I've started using LDC's for guitars and SDC's for vocals. You just can't beat a U67 on acoustic, don't even mind a 251.. I believe a lot of the Motown vocal stuff was done with Neumann SDCs. I seem to remember years ago the Bob Ohlson said that, maybe they were KM54 or 56... KM86 I believe
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Post by jono3 on Jan 8, 2024 12:50:34 GMT -6
Those with the 013 FETS.... are you having the issues that I've seen mentioned with chipping paint, badges falling off, etc...? These mics have intrigued me and have come recommended from friends who have impressive mic collections (one has 6X KM84s and says he prefers 013 FET on acoustic), but those QC issues are what is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a pair. I have 6 Soyuz mics and haven't had QC issues with any of them.
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Post by smashlord on Jan 8, 2024 15:01:29 GMT -6
Those with the 013 FETS.... are you having the issues that I've seen mentioned with chipping paint, badges falling off, etc...? These mics have intrigued me and have come recommended from friends who have impressive mic collections (one has 6X KM84s and says he prefers 013 FET on acoustic), but those QC issues are what is holding me back from pulling the trigger on a pair. I have 6 Soyuz mics and haven't had QC issues with any of them. This was specific to the 013s... I think there were a couple of threads on the purple site. The 3 Soyuz I have are problem free ::knocks on wood::
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Post by jono3 on Jan 8, 2024 16:07:39 GMT -6
I have 6 Soyuz mics and haven't had QC issues with any of them. This was specific to the 013s... I think there was a couple of threads on the purple site. The 3 Soyuz are problem free ::knocks on wood:: Ah. My 013s are all good (and 017s, and bomblet).
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Post by drsax on Jan 8, 2024 18:51:01 GMT -6
Love my Soyuz FET SDC pair…. Have used them a lot on acoustic guitar and drum overheads and they do a great job. They live on my drum kit unless I’m recording Acoustic guitars, then they get pulled down from over the drum kit.
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 8, 2024 19:24:23 GMT -6
Ironically against usual convention I've started using LDC's for guitars and SDC's for vocals. You just can't beat a U67 on acoustic, don't even mind a 251.. My Gefell UM 70 is my “always up mic” that I record demo tracks with. I end up using the acoustics I record with it often.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 9, 2024 3:06:12 GMT -6
Ironically against usual convention I've started using LDC's for guitars and SDC's for vocals. You just can't beat a U67 on acoustic, don't even mind a 251.. My Gefell UM 70 is my “always up mic” that I record demo tracks with. I end up using the acoustics I record with it often. Because they sound great!
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Post by smashlord on Apr 24, 2024 10:38:11 GMT -6
Those with 013 FETs.... I've read quite a bit that they have a relatively high self noise... do you feel its enough to present an issue with recording acoustics? Considering a pair of these to try on acoustic, violin, and drum OHS.
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Post by andersmv on Apr 24, 2024 14:32:59 GMT -6
Those with 013 FETs.... I've read quite a bit that they have a relatively high self noise... do you feel its enough to present an issue with recording acoustics? Considering a pair of these to try on acoustic, violin, and drum OHS. I'll link the session files from my video review of the 013 FET vs Tube. Plenty of quieter stuff in there for you to play with and decide. Full disclosure, I had some major issues with RF interference on my 013 Tubes and unfortunately had to sell them. It seems like it's isolated to my location, which really sucks because they sounded amazing. Kenny and everyone at Soyuz bent over backwards to try and help me, including sending me a brand new pair at the end. A frustrating process for everyone involved when I was super thorough with my testing, then they get them back to the shop and they work perfectly... I didn't have any issues with the FET versions when I had them here, so I'm planning on replacing them with the FETs. drive.google.com/file/d/1D5CaDbPvijkZ1eALO0mxTqamMjBD9JXa/view
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Post by hadaja on Apr 24, 2024 15:33:03 GMT -6
My Soyuz 13 Fet had no imperfections. Actually neither my 023 or my 017. I did not find the noise floor unreasonable in the 013 and I dont recall it being a problem at all. Have you looked at Serrano Audio SA84's they have been a better option with multiple caps coming with them. They sound VERY good indeed. www.serranoaudio.com/84
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 24, 2024 16:02:08 GMT -6
Those with 013 FETs.... I've read quite a bit that they have a relatively high self noise... do you feel its enough to present an issue with recording acoustics? Considering a pair of these to try on acoustic, violin, and drum OHS. It is true that they're a little higher in self-noise, but their output is also hotter IME than some other SDCs. If you're someone like plinker, it very well could bother you. The self-noise doesn't really bother me, though. I love the way they sound, and that overrides any slight increase in noise they might have. I use them on acoustic guitar and like them there quite a bit. I'd use them in a classical setting without hesitation, too. Unless the producer were requesting an unusually quiet recording.
I also have a 017 FET and it likewise is a bit noisier than other mics in its class IME. I don't find that to be a problem in a musical setting. But I might not choose it for a VO book-on-tape recording, even though I think it sounds fantastic tonally in that type of situation.
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Post by hadaja on Apr 24, 2024 16:15:29 GMT -6
Yes like Mark said above the 013 is a very hot mic. You dont need a high gain preamp for that mic. Thats where some of my older tube mic pres really worked with this mic as I never had to push them. And like Mark also said the 17 fet which I had was a little higher in noise then some of my other mics. I did find the bomblet was a little quieter. I think those mics has a wider pickup cardioid pattern so the relationship between the wide open sounds with the perception of more noise (as it is pickup up more stuff/info) is interesting bit not really off putting. I dont regret selling them, but they were still a nice addition to the collection.
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Post by smashlord on Apr 24, 2024 18:20:20 GMT -6
My Soyuz 13 Fet had no imperfections. Actually neither my 023 or my 017. I did not find the noise floor unreasonable in the 013 and I dont recall it being a problem at all. Have you looked at Serrano Audio SA84's they have been a better option with multiple caps coming with them. They sound VERY good indeed. www.serranoaudio.com/84Those seem cool, however, the two main studios I work at have KM84s, KM85s, Km184s, and KM100s, etc... and I'm looking for something a little different for another color in the palette, so to speak. Those with 013 FETs.... I've read quite a bit that they have a relatively high self noise... do you feel its enough to present an issue with recording acoustics? Considering a pair of these to try on acoustic, violin, and drum OHS. It is true that they're a little higher in self-noise, but their output is also hotter IME than some other SDCs. If you're someone like plinker , it very well could bother you. The self-noise doesn't really bother me, though. I love the way they sound, and that overrides any slight increase in noise they might have. I use them on acoustic guitar and like them there quite a bit. I'd use them in a classical setting without hesitation, too. Unless the producer were requesting an unusually quiet recording.
I also have a 017 FET and it likewise is a bit noisier than other mics in its class IME. I don't find that to be a problem in a musical setting. But I might not choose it for a VO book-on-tape recording, even though I think it sounds fantastic tonally in that type of situation.
Do you find the noise floor to be comparable to the 017 FET? I have a pair of them and the noise floor never bothered me, so if its similar, I'm probably OK!
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Post by smashlord on Apr 24, 2024 18:56:47 GMT -6
Those with 013 FETs.... I've read quite a bit that they have a relatively high self noise... do you feel its enough to present an issue with recording acoustics? Considering a pair of these to try on acoustic, violin, and drum OHS. I'll link the session files from my video review of the 013 FET vs Tube. Plenty of quieter stuff in there for you to play with and decide. Full disclosure, I had some major issues with RF interference on my 013 Tubes and unfortunately had to sell them. It seems like it's isolated to my location, which really sucks because they sounded amazing. Kenny and everyone at Soyuz bent over backwards to try and help me, including sending me a brand new pair at the end. A frustrating process for everyone involved when I was super thorough with my testing, then they get them back to the shop and they work perfectly... I didn't have any issues with the FET versions when I had them here, so I'm planning on replacing them with the FETs. drive.google.com/file/d/1D5CaDbPvijkZ1eALO0mxTqamMjBD9JXa/viewWow! This was incredibly helpful, thank you. First impression: these mics sound fantastic, especially on the drums. Second impression: They ARE a bit noisy. I tried EQing the piano and electric guitar like I would in a mix and there was just a tad too much hiss. Bummer. I think I'd love a pair of these for OHs, but the noise is making me wary about how I'd be able to tolerate them on acoustic.
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Post by ontravelling on Apr 25, 2024 3:28:19 GMT -6
I have always wanted a pair of the 013 gets and think they sound great. I just got a pair of the Samar MG33 and if noise is a consideration, they are incredibly low noise and sound great. I didn't even plan on using them for overheads or acoustic guitars but they absolutely crush on both.
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Post by rdsyo on Apr 28, 2024 6:13:52 GMT -6
To my ears it is definitely better. But I'm a bit sceptical because there is more low-end. And it will be harder to fix on post-processing in case I will need to fix something. Instead just of adding EQ to it. However Km184 is more moody to positioning (another's opinions). And there are just a lot "more of KM184" on the internet. To many people prefer it and say that its most preferable mic for guitar recordings. So maybe that gives a feeling that its true. But my ears just have a bit more different taste, which tends to soyuz, Austrian audio, schoeps(but its to expensive) Well, I know what could help me to make decision today As I understood, there are 2 different concepts in those 2 mics. With Transformers (SU 013) and transformerless (Km 184). Which concept is more reliable? I.e. If I will use it everyday for 5-10 hours for years, for work speech recordings, for guitar recordings, for discrod at free time and so on... Or it doesnt matter at all if its based on transistors or transformers? I have both the Soyuz and the Samar MG32...both are killer. I'd honestly go for the Samar at $299 intro price. It's worth 3 times that. It's a little more mid focused than the Soyuz, but you can tell the capsule is high quality because of how easily it takes EQ. It also has a huge off-axis reach. www.samaraudiodesign.com/MG32.htmlrealgearonline.com/post/345689/threadWould you say that the samar is more 84-like?
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Post by rdsyo on Apr 28, 2024 6:27:57 GMT -6
My Soyuz 13 Fet had no imperfections. Actually neither my 023 or my 017. I did not find the noise floor unreasonable in the 013 and I dont recall it being a problem at all. Have you looked at Serrano Audio SA84's they have been a better option with multiple caps coming with them. They sound VERY good indeed. www.serranoaudio.com/84I remember seeing that you had an mc930 that you were trying against the 013. I’m searching or an sdc to primarily record acoustics. How would you rank them? Or is this serrano the way to go?
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