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Post by thehightenor on Dec 10, 2023 14:52:59 GMT -6
The silver box. I’ve had one years ago…I sold my Burl AD…and I think I regret it. Just did a vocal through the Apollo x6 AD and had some problems getting it to not be a little harsh. You just can’t tell this shit until you do it a couple times in the real world…but there was a little spikey-ness in the 6-8Khz range that I just don’t remember being there in the past using the Burl with the same chain. So - I’ve been perusing reverb and noticed the 2x6 Symphony iOS going for well under $1000. That AD is most likely better than the x6 still, don’t you think? It would be nice to compare the Apogee DA with my Burl DA too. John …. why did you sell your Burl A/D ? Along with Crane Song I consider those converters to be state of the art. A Mothership 16 AES 8a/d + 8 d/a is my number 1 wish list item! |
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Post by wiz on Dec 10, 2023 15:27:26 GMT -6
It’s just gas…..pass it and move on.
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 10, 2023 16:18:06 GMT -6
The silver box. I’ve had one years ago…I sold my Burl AD…and I think I regret it. Just did a vocal through the Apollo x6 AD and had some problems getting it to not be a little harsh. You just can’t tell this shit until you do it a couple times in the real world…but there was a little spikey-ness in the 6-8Khz range that I just don’t remember being there in the past using the Burl with the same chain. So - I’ve been perusing reverb and noticed the 2x6 Symphony iOS going for well under $1000. That AD is most likely better than the x6 still, don’t you think? It would be nice to compare the Apogee DA with my Burl DA too. John …. why did you sell your Burl A/D ? Along with Crane Song I consider those converters to be state of the art. A Mothership 16 AES 8a/d + 8 d/a is my number 1 wish list item! Because I wanted another Axefx...and I thought, "OK, I've done a few tests and I don't really hear a ton of difference between the Burl AD and Apollo..." Again...maybe it was just a bad vocal. I had just turned everything on and it hadn't warmed up, and I probably recorded it a little hot. I might try again with a few tweaks and see if it's the same thing. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 10, 2023 18:18:24 GMT -6
John …. why did you sell your Burl A/D ? Along with Crane Song I consider those converters to be state of the art. A Mothership 16 AES 8a/d + 8 d/a is my number 1 wish list item! Because I wanted another Axefx...and I thought, "OK, I've done a few tests and I don't really hear a ton of difference between the Burl AD and Apollo..." Again...maybe it was just a bad vocal. I had just turned everything on and it hadn't warmed up, and I probably recorded it a little hot. I might try again with a few tweaks and see if it's the same thing. I mean, you always sound great to me, but I find there's nothing as tough and at times confusing, as recording one’s own singing. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 10, 2023 18:52:53 GMT -6
Because I wanted another Axefx...and I thought, "OK, I've done a few tests and I don't really hear a ton of difference between the Burl AD and Apollo..." Again...maybe it was just a bad vocal. I had just turned everything on and it hadn't warmed up, and I probably recorded it a little hot. I might try again with a few tweaks and see if it's the same thing. I mean, you always sound great to me, but I find there's nothing as tough and at times confusing, as recording one’s own singing. well, I've been satisfied in the past...maybe it's just me being a weirdo |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 10, 2023 20:14:29 GMT -6
I mean, you always sound great to me, but I find there's nothing as tough and at times confusing, as recording one’s own singing. well, I've been satisfied in the past...maybe it's just me being a weirdo That definitely happens to me. “I’m a genius!” Next day. “I’m terrible.” |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 11, 2023 1:30:27 GMT -6
John …. why did you sell your Burl A/D ? Along with Crane Song I consider those converters to be state of the art. A Mothership 16 AES 8a/d + 8 d/a is my number 1 wish list item! Because I wanted another Axefx...and I thought, "OK, I've done a few tests and I don't really hear a ton of difference between the Burl AD and Apollo..." Again...maybe it was just a bad vocal. I had just turned everything on and it hadn't warmed up, and I probably recorded it a little hot. I might try again with a few tweaks and see if it's the same thing. If the tracks are keeper tracks then I think converters matter, for straight up “song demo” only then probably it’s an unnecessary expense. John, you’re a great singer (bet you wish you had a dollar for every time someone’s told you that!) but I still think it’s worth recording a great voice with the best chain affordable. Sounds corny, but a vocal of your quality actually justifies a Burl or Cransong converter - I’ve recorded singers where I’ve thought a cassette desk would be a better option  |
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Post by ab101 on Dec 11, 2023 12:28:07 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 11, 2023 13:04:34 GMT -6
Well yeah, but it’s 6 times what John was looking at! |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 11, 2023 14:04:59 GMT -6
I’m not in John’s league, but on a good day, I feel my vocals justify my Crane Song HEDD 192 |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2023 15:09:53 GMT -6
I’m not in John’s league, but on a good day, I feel my vocals justify my Crane Song HEDD 192 Well, what I feel and what my bank account says seem to be two different things… |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2023 15:12:33 GMT -6
I do tend to find a scapegoat when something doesn’t sound the way I want it to…Like - who knows. Maybe it’s the Neve. Maybe it’s having a distortion box like the 1176 F in the chain is a bad idea. I know in the past I would have never used an 1176 on my vocal because I tend to be harsh anyway…oh well, looks like I need another sta-level lol
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Post by ragan on Dec 11, 2023 15:15:07 GMT -6
I do tend to find a scapegoat when something doesn’t sound the way I want it to…Like - who knows. Maybe it’s the Neve. Maybe it’s having a distortion box like the 1176 F in the chain is a bad idea. I know in the past I would have never used an 1176 on my vocal because I tend to be harsh anyway…oh well, looks like I need another sta-level lol I think it’s this ^^^ Johnkenn. I do the same thing. I don’t think it’s the Apollo. Or any one thing. Super small sample size too, right? One overcooked vocal? Try 10 vocals, with various settings, take stuff in and out of the chain. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2023 15:23:50 GMT -6
I do tend to find a scapegoat when something doesn’t sound the way I want it to…Like - who knows. Maybe it’s the Neve. Maybe it’s having a distortion box like the 1176 F in the chain is a bad idea. I know in the past I would have never used an 1176 on my vocal because I tend to be harsh anyway…oh well, looks like I need another sta-level lol I think it’s this ^^^ Johnkenn. I do the same thing. I don’t think it’s the Apollo. Or any one thing. Super small sample size too, right? One overcooked vocal? Try 10 vocals, with various settings, take stuff in and out of the chain. And it could be psychosomatic too…I sold the Burl so therefore was expecting something to sound bad… |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 11, 2023 15:31:30 GMT -6
As much as people seem to love it, I always felt the 1176 sounded like the tone controls of a Fender amp, harsh and kinda nasty. I've only liked 1176 on acoustic guitars.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 11, 2023 15:36:31 GMT -6
I think it’s this ^^^ Johnkenn. I do the same thing. I don’t think it’s the Apollo. Or any one thing. Super small sample size too, right? One overcooked vocal? Try 10 vocals, with various settings, take stuff in and out of the chain. And it could be psychosomatic too…I sold the Burl so therefore was expecting something to sound bad… The fact that you question this shit, is what makes you an artist. It’s hard to know when to stop striving for better. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 17:08:05 GMT -6
I do tend to find a scapegoat when something doesn’t sound the way I want it to…Like - who knows. Maybe it’s the Neve. Maybe it’s having a distortion box like the 1176 F in the chain is a bad idea. I know in the past I would have never used an 1176 on my vocal because I tend to be harsh anyway…oh well, looks like I need another sta-level lol I gave up on a lot of cool stuff for vocals because they had a tendency to make stuff worse sometimes and I am time strapped now. I just use the old school Oxford Dynamics now which just tends to make it brighter and if that adds too much of an edge in the mix, I'll take it off with U-he Satin set pretty cleanly at the end of the vocal chain. I will de-ess before or after depending on if the de-esser has a threshold or not. Now if the vocal is wimpy, I'll do way worse than the 1176. I'll use Vintage Warmer as my peak limiter or in parallel.
If there's a vocal bus with a lot of automation on individual tracks, I'll have Kotelnikov there to control my fader moves. |
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Post by ab101 on Dec 11, 2023 17:31:27 GMT -6
We need a prayer section on the forum. But since we do not, I will just pray here that John becomes very prosperous and that everything that supports his voice and talent be provided, asap.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 11, 2023 18:09:01 GMT -6
We need a prayer section on the forum. But since we do not, I will just pray here that John becomes very prosperous and that everything that supports his voice and talent be provided, asap. Amen! |
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Post by ericn on Dec 11, 2023 18:12:38 GMT -6
We need a prayer section on the forum. But since we do not, I will just pray here that John becomes very prosperous and that everything that supports his voice and talent be provided, asap. Imagine the economic impact if we all suddenly became wealthy 😁 |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 12, 2023 3:33:59 GMT -6
As much as people seem to love it, I always felt the 1176 sounded like the tone controls of a Fender amp, harsh and kinda nasty. I've only liked 1176 on acoustic guitars. They can be a bit "electronic" sounding - your can really hear it's a FET based electronic device. I like them in the right mix setting. I'm not a big an at the tracking stage but maybe if I owned a $5K vintage URIE silver-face 76 like Greg Wells I would be :-) |
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 12, 2023 3:36:03 GMT -6
I do tend to find a scapegoat when something doesn’t sound the way I want it to…Like - who knows. Maybe it’s the Neve. Maybe it’s having a distortion box like the 1176 F in the chain is a bad idea. I know in the past I would have never used an 1176 on my vocal because I tend to be harsh anyway…oh well, looks like I need another sta-level lol I'm still using a Retro STA Level. LOL .... I only bought mine after hearing you rave about it so much. Rightly so. Next time you buy one John, write your name on it in thick permanent black felt tip pen .... that'll stop you from selling it again :-) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2023 4:20:33 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 12, 2023 4:22:39 GMT -6
I’m not in John’s league, but on a good day, I feel my vocals justify my Crane Song HEDD 192 Well, what I feel and what my bank account says seem to be two different things… Welcome to the club ! |
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Post by livemusicny on Aug 28, 2024 10:06:03 GMT -6
After getting the full Monty Black Lion Audio mod to my X6, I discovered the converters were not really the issue with the Apollo's, it was a host of other things. Now my Apollo sounds more like Dangerous Music's converters. The Symphony is a little softer and bigger, more pleasing than the regular Apollo's. So it depends what you're really looking for. I mixed a friend's album with the post BLA mod x6, and I was able to get where I wanted to go in 1/2 to 2/3 the amount of time. Any comparison clips? I love Apollo workflow but the conversion was not accurate enough for me. Aurora (n) was the closest via tests I’d did. Curious how the mod does. I did have a revive mod w an Apollo x for a while but it was not as good as BLA I’ve heard. Thanks! |
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