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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 5, 2023 13:50:59 GMT -6
Well... ProAudioStar has M88s brand new for $255 on Reverb... resistance wavering...
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Post by drumsound on Dec 5, 2023 13:55:37 GMT -6
Well... ProAudioStar has M88s brand new for $255 on Reverb... resistance wavering... I think those are TGs they are blowing out. That's a pretty killer price. |
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Post by ironinthepath on Dec 5, 2023 16:37:00 GMT -6
Well... ProAudioStar has M88s brand new for $255 on Reverb... resistance wavering... I think those are TGs they are blowing out. That's a pretty killer price. Just ordered one on Reverb. Couldn't hold back -- wanted one for years. Thanks for posting this! |
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Post by bikescene on Dec 5, 2023 16:51:34 GMT -6
Well... ProAudioStar has M88s brand new for $255 on Reverb... resistance wavering... I’ve been wavering on picking one up, but couldn’t resist at this price. I definitely want to see how this does for vocals, guitar, and percussion. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 5, 2023 18:15:26 GMT -6
Resistance was futile. Now who has a cheap M88 windscreen recommendation?
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Post by plinker on Dec 5, 2023 19:32:46 GMT -6
As an amateur radio enthusiast, I was intrigued by Bob Heil's designs. I had a conversation with him about 20 years ago (?? shit!). He was a profound evangelist for large diaphragm designs and had zero interest in anything less than 1" -- holds for jokes...
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Post by drumsound on Dec 5, 2023 21:23:26 GMT -6
I think those are TGs they are blowing out. That's a pretty killer price. Just ordered one on Reverb. Couldn't hold back -- wanted one for years. Thanks for posting this! Well... ProAudioStar has M88s brand new for $255 on Reverb... resistance wavering... I’ve been wavering on picking one up, but couldn’t resist at this price. I definitely want to see how this does for vocals, guitar, and percussion. I'm sure you'll both be happy Resistance was futile. Now who has a cheap M88 windscreen recommendation? Isn't there a link somewhere in this thread? Anywho, enjoy the M88. |
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Post by enlav on Dec 6, 2023 8:26:05 GMT -6
Resistance was futile. Now who has a cheap M88 windscreen recommendation? The official windscreen is around 30 or 40 dollars. You can also use an sm7b's larger foam windscreen or the re20/320/27 windscreen, but neither really goes around and protects the rear and they both barely stay on (loose). Likewise, the shure sm58 gray one will fit but it offers even less protection and has gaps at the rear. |
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Post by mattbroiler on Dec 6, 2023 9:04:59 GMT -6
for M88 kick duty I use an Auray LDC cheap foamy with a twist tie around the bottom to fully cover rear of the capsule no candy color choices but it costs about $8 and works just fine
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Post by Ward on Dec 6, 2023 9:42:37 GMT -6
I will bump here - any users of the Telefunken M82 on kick? Comments? I have one . . . it's very aggressive and doesn't have the tonal depth of something like a U47FET, but very useful for hard and heavy music. The 350 dip switch is more aggressive sounding than what the specs indicate and the high-end boost switch definitely adds a TON of point. I don't recommend it for country, pop, blues, general rock or other forms. But for heavy music? Hard to beat. Beats a D6 and D112 IMHE. |
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Post by enlav on Dec 6, 2023 9:45:06 GMT -6
I will bump here - any users of the Telefunken M82 on kick? Comments? I have one . . . it's very aggressive and doesn't have the tonal depth of something like a U47FET, but very useful for hard and heavy music. The 350 dip switch is more aggressive sounding than what the specs indicate and the high-end boost switch definitely adds a TON of point. I don't recommend it for country, pop, blues, general rock or other forms. But for heavy music? Hard to beat. Beats a D6 and D112 IMHE. When set flat, does it compare favorably for other sources compared to other larger dynamics? |
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Post by Ward on Dec 6, 2023 9:53:49 GMT -6
I have one . . . it's very aggressive and doesn't have the tonal depth of something like a U47FET, but very useful for hard and heavy music. The 350 dip switch is more aggressive sounding than what the specs indicate and the high-end boost switch definitely adds a TON of point. I don't recommend it for country, pop, blues, general rock or other forms. But for heavy music? Hard to beat. Beats a D6 and D112 IMHE. When set flat, does it compare favorably for other sources compared to other larger dynamics? Set flat, it's a bit like a Shure SM52 . . . not as round as a D12e or an RE20 or 320, not as boomy as a D112 or pointy as an Audix D6. Close to the honest6y of an RE27 (the single most underrated LDD mic in existence because it it the finest LDD mic in existence). |
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Post by theboris on Dec 7, 2023 9:16:11 GMT -6
I will bump here - any users of the Telefunken M82 on kick? Comments? I too am curious on A/B with M88, let's throw in an SM7B, RE20*, 421, Alien8 and C8 as well! I'm looking for a mic to pair with 47FET on res head, bass cabinet, even e gtr. For a lot of sources, one mic is never enough for me, phase is just part of the job (arguably the crux of any job!) * Ward, I used 27s alongside 20s for a few years. Never had a breakdown with any, but I felt the 20 reached deeper and the 27 felt more like a PR40. We had a few of each so I don't think it was a one-off. All went through lots of different pre topologies. Welcome further thoughts on differences for you, I want to say you're a bit of an evangelical for 27s, yah? |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 7, 2023 11:57:32 GMT -6
I will bump here - any users of the Telefunken M82 on kick? Comments? I too am curious on A/B with M88, let's throw in an SM7B, RE20*, 421, Alien8 and C8 as well! I'm looking for a mic to pair with 47FET on res head, bass cabinet, even e gtr. For a lot of sources, one mic is never enough for me, phase is just part of the job (arguably the crux of any job!) * Ward, I used 27s alongside 20s for a few years. Never had a breakdown with any, but I felt the 20 reached deeper and the 27 felt more like a PR40. We had a few of each so I don't think it was a one-off. All went through lots of different pre topologies. Welcome further thoughts on differences for you, I want to say you're a bit of an evangelical for 27s, yah? I’d say he is. He got me to buy one a couple years back. 😄 |
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Post by gosart on Dec 7, 2023 12:16:35 GMT -6
I'd throw in the EV N/D868. We have most of the usual suspects but I'd say the 868 winds up on at least 2/3 of our recordings.
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Post by bikescene on Dec 7, 2023 17:49:27 GMT -6
I got my M88 in the mail today. I’m kind of surprised I’m that it doesn’t come with a foam filter. The M201 that I bought a while back came with one, and it’s big enough that I think it would work with the M88.
II might try the M88 on a couple of kick hits just to see what the tonality is like. I’ve got a Beta 52 and ND868 that I normally use on kick duty, and am curious to see how it compares.
I also bought one of those cheap used Beyerdynamic M69 on Adorama. Mine has markings from the NYU film dept, so I guess the batch of used mics are sourced from there. Probably less useful as a kick mic, but it’s interesting on guitar amp.
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Post by smashlord on Dec 7, 2023 19:32:02 GMT -6
I just bought a $6 filter and use an elastic to keep the back closed... cheap and works great. The tonality is pretty neutral but warm, unlike the Heil. The Heil is neutral and hard, IMO.
The M88 will require more EQ than a dedicated kick mic for most stuff, but takes it well and sounds nice and punchy when dialed in. For rock kicks, I usually got the 250hz slider on an API 560 all the way down, but it sounds great.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 9, 2023 17:06:51 GMT -6
Well... ProAudioStar has M88s brand new for $255 on Reverb... resistance wavering... I’ve been wavering on picking one up, but couldn’t resist at this price. I definitely want to see how this does for vocals, guitar, and percussion. On there for $299 now. Still $200 below Sweetwater. I think it's because the redesign new ones have the old-school silver grill? But supposedly the only difference is cosmetic. I love my vintage m88, this is mucho tempting. |
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Post by theboris on Dec 9, 2023 17:44:05 GMT -6
I’ve been wavering on picking one up, but couldn’t resist at this price. I definitely want to see how this does for vocals, guitar, and percussion. On there for $299 now. Still $200 below Sweetwater. I think it's because the redesign new ones have the old-school silver grill? But supposedly the only difference is cosmetic. I love my vintage m88, this is mucho tempting. no, the 'refresh' is cosmetic to all but the m88! added mesh in the silver grill to help with plosives. given the many users that have had diaphragms crap out, i very much welcome it. i really feel like "touring group" is a joke, i've had m88 and m201 blow diaphragms, and all in very normal use and non-abusive scenarios. the repair options are not cheap. it's a bummer most of shure's mics don't sound as good as BD's, as they sure seem better built on the whole. i can't justify 400 for their new version, but also don't really want to repeat the cycle with the old ones. /rant. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Dec 9, 2023 21:35:58 GMT -6
On there for $299 now. Still $200 below Sweetwater. I think it's because the redesign new ones have the old-school silver grill? But supposedly the only difference is cosmetic. I love my vintage m88, this is mucho tempting. no, the 'refresh' is cosmetic to all but the m88! added mesh in the silver grill to help with plosives. given the many users that have had diaphragms crap out, i very much welcome it. i really feel like "touring group" is a joke, i've had m88 and m201 blow diaphragms, and all in very normal use and non-abusive scenarios. the repair options are not cheap. it's a bummer most of shure's mics don't sound as good as BD's, as they sure seem better built on the whole. i can't justify 400 for their new version, but also don't really want to repeat the cycle with the old ones. /rant. Hmm... that's appealing. Cuz my M88 (70's model) is a plosive machine. It's kind of amazing actually, it's like they wanted it to be that way. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 10, 2023 1:19:43 GMT -6
no, the 'refresh' is cosmetic to all but the m88! added mesh in the silver grill to help with plosives. given the many users that have had diaphragms crap out, i very much welcome it. i really feel like "touring group" is a joke, i've had m88 and m201 blow diaphragms, and all in very normal use and non-abusive scenarios. the repair options are not cheap. it's a bummer most of shure's mics don't sound as good as BD's, as they sure seem better built on the whole. i can't justify 400 for their new version, but also don't really want to repeat the cycle with the old ones. /rant. I think the TG's got some better shock mounting in the headbasket... But added mesh does seem smart. I also think for $250-300 new, the TG version is a pretty compelling purchase. Especially for the studio where it's not hard to make sure there's a windshield in place for kick drum use. P.S. - ProAudioStar is pretty good about negotiating price if you submit an offer on eBay or Reverb. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 11:10:02 GMT -6
On there for $299 now. Still $200 below Sweetwater. I think it's because the redesign new ones have the old-school silver grill? But supposedly the only difference is cosmetic. I love my vintage m88, this is mucho tempting. no, the 'refresh' is cosmetic to all but the m88! added mesh in the silver grill to help with plosives. given the many users that have had diaphragms crap out, i very much welcome it. i really feel like "touring group" is a joke, i've had m88 and m201 blow diaphragms, and all in very normal use and non-abusive scenarios. the repair options are not cheap. it's a bummer most of shure's mics don't sound as good as BD's, as they sure seem better built on the whole. i can't justify 400 for their new version, but also don't really want to repeat the cycle with the old ones. /rant. The Shures are much studier but worse sounding usually. Still the Shure KSMs are more detailed yet woodier and harsher than the Beyerdynamic condensers ime. The Beyerdynamic ones are awesome in that they just work in the mix though but they don’t pick up as much of the performance which can be a big issue. I don’t buy Beyerdynamic products though. The one exception to Shure’s sturdiness I’ve experienced is the Beta 52. Still you can always just use an RE-20 (older with intact foam is better! Newer units lack the detail) and get a more natural kick anyway or use a PR-40 and get the detail but that high end boost that cuts in the mix but often needs to be eaten by something. I just use a broad shelf or U-he Satin honestly. |
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Post by plinker on Dec 10, 2023 12:48:16 GMT -6
On there for $299 now. Still $200 below Sweetwater. I think it's because the redesign new ones have the old-school silver grill? But supposedly the only difference is cosmetic. I love my vintage m88, this is mucho tempting. no, the 'refresh' is cosmetic to all but the m88! added mesh in the silver grill to help with plosives. given the many users that have had diaphragms crap out, i very much welcome it. i really feel like "touring group" is a joke, i've had m88 and m201 blow diaphragms, and all in very normal use and non-abusive scenarios. the repair options are not cheap. it's a bummer most of shure's mics don't sound as good as BD's, as they sure seem better built on the whole. i can't justify 400 for their new version, but also don't really want to repeat the cycle with the old ones. /rant. Under what situations have your diaphragms blown out? I believe the Touring Group (TG) updates were designed to make the basket more resistant to denting/damage caused by stage use. Personally, for studio use, I'm not looking for additional metal mesh -- there will certainly be a change in sound. Even with the additional mesh, Beyer is still recommending using the foamy windshield for bass drum use. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Dec 10, 2023 13:05:02 GMT -6
Received my M88 TG yesterday... Threw it on the kick for my session. Sounds awesome. $254 well spent.
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Post by plinker on Dec 10, 2023 15:01:42 GMT -6
I got my order just the other day! How many moving-coil mics comes with a frequency plot, huh?!
Yeah!!
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