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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 25, 2023 23:21:58 GMT -6
Anyone use em? Curious about a decent tom microphone, as well as useful mics for drum overheads and acoustic.
I have no really decent SDCs!
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Post by jmoose on Nov 26, 2023 0:16:39 GMT -6
Yah. At some point once the new room is together I might grab 3 or 4 of those... solid tom mics. Good utility mics in general really... kinda like the poor mans Jospehson E22.
They'll take the same kinda levels without overload, but the AT is more 2-D and bandpassed? Not nearly as open toned. I've also, despite the hi pass and with mics aimed dead on parallel to the heads have had more then a couple instances of cymbal noise... aka wind appearing in the tracks.
Nothing that ever reared up badly, as unusable but there have been a couple times I've solo'd tracks later in the process and heard the diaphragm being pushed around.
Shop I used to work out of a bunch had a pair. Never tried them as overheads but toms sure, acoustic guitars, all kinds of stuff. Feel like maybe the shure KSM range or AKG 451's would probably make a better 'general use' pair if you don't have anything else but the 450's aren't bad at all.
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Post by antipodesjosh on Nov 26, 2023 2:00:36 GMT -6
Interested in these as well. I’ve been wondering about the dynamic ATM230s for toms too, just kinda bored of the e604 😅
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 26, 2023 9:02:05 GMT -6
Interesting, for some reason these flew under the radar for me. We should have a dedicated thread comparing side address mics. These and the new Samars really interest me.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2023 10:57:24 GMT -6
The ATM450 doesn’t get the respect it deserves, it is overlooked most of the time. AT never really gave the ATM’s the US push they deserved and was constantly fiddling with the line in the US without ever really explaining what they were doing, every time an ATM like the 25 would gain traction it would disappear, the 450 just got lost in the shuffle.
The 450 also got pigeon holed as a tom mic, the 30 and 40 series were the do everything utility mics. Add in the fact that most MI dealers had never had nor really understood the advantages of a side address. It is a mic that the dealer had to explain to the customer, in a market of 57’s and drum condensers were these tiny little things with built in suspensions. The 450 is just different, you could later on push it as a poor man’s E22, but it lacked the look and mythical rep of Josephson.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 26, 2023 11:21:07 GMT -6
Also... on eBay and Amazon, you can buy an AT Drum kit set that comes with a 57ish type snare mic, kick drum/brass mic, and a PAIR of 450s... $399 total.
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 26, 2023 11:47:13 GMT -6
Also... on eBay and Amazon, you can buy an AT Drum kit set that comes with a 57ish type snare mic, kick drum/brass mic, and a PAIR of 450s... $399 total. Thats an amazing deal |
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Post by drbill on Nov 26, 2023 11:51:30 GMT -6
Curious about a decent tom microphone, as well as useful mics for drum overheads and acoustic. I have no really decent SDCs! Not a SDC, but really suggest you try some Oktava 219's. I love em. Love the Joly modded ones even more, but the stock ones are no slouch. I think Chesparoff has one FS for a very fair price. I was thinking about getting it from him, but I already have 4. These mics have become my #1 fav tom mic due to their "woody-ness". And that's saying something. BTW - they are side address. |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 26, 2023 12:01:36 GMT -6
Curious about a decent tom microphone, as well as useful mics for drum overheads and acoustic. I have no really decent SDCs! Not a SDC, but really suggest you try some Oktava 219's. I love em. Love the Joly modded ones even more, but the stock ones are no slouch. I think Chesparoff has one FS for a very fair price. I was thinking about getting it from him, but I already have 4. These mics have become my #1 fav tom mic due to their "woody-ness". And that's saying something. BTW - they are side address. Yes they are very cool, but I have more than enough LDC mics. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 26, 2023 12:05:46 GMT -6
Curious about a decent tom microphone, as well as useful mics for drum overheads and acoustic. I have no really decent SDCs! Not a SDC, but really suggest you try some Oktava 219's. I love em. Love the Joly modded ones even more, but the stock ones are no slouch. I think Chesparoff has one FS for a very fair price. I was thinking about getting it from him, but I already have 4. These mics have become my #1 fav tom mic due to their "woody-ness". And that's saying something. BTW - they are side address. Bill, you ever compare the 219s to CAD m179s on toms? I know I tried 219s on toms years ago, don’t really remember what I thought of them. Been on the m179s for years now, considering whether it’s worth it to dig the 219s out of the closet. |
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Post by ab101 on Nov 26, 2023 12:17:34 GMT -6
I have a pair of Josephson e22s mics which I love on toms and hand drums. But I want to get a pair of the Samar MG33 mics and check them out on toms and hand drums. It seems like the Samars may be more versatile - i.e., toms, hand drums, and acoustic guitar, piano, etc. Hopefully, I will know for sure soon!
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Post by niklas1073 on Nov 26, 2023 12:37:17 GMT -6
Interested in these as well. I’ve been wondering about the dynamic ATM230s for toms too, just kinda bored of the e604 😅 Ive used the atm230 on toms for a long time. They are great, would not consider replacing them. Really nice and solid bottom end. |
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Post by crillemannen on Nov 26, 2023 13:06:04 GMT -6
They're awesome! I've been using them for over 10 years on Toms. They kind of sound how you'd imagine you want toms to sound miced up oppose to the dreaded 421s haha.. They work great on snare to blended with an sm57 for a nice topsmack/crack. Highly recommended them!
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Post by notneeson on Nov 26, 2023 13:20:53 GMT -6
I don't mind 421s, but I get that the cymbal hash is unflattering off axis. Have been really liking AT AE3000 tom mics lately.
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Post by drbill on Nov 26, 2023 13:51:47 GMT -6
Not a SDC, but really suggest you try some Oktava 219's. I love em. Love the Joly modded ones even more, but the stock ones are no slouch. I think Chesparoff has one FS for a very fair price. I was thinking about getting it from him, but I already have 4. These mics have become my #1 fav tom mic due to their "woody-ness". And that's saying something. BTW - they are side address. Bill, you ever compare the 219s to CAD m179s on toms? I know I tried 219s on toms years ago, don’t really remember what I thought of them. Been on the m179s for years now, considering whether it’s worth it to dig the 219s out of the closet. Yes. I have both. They are both good. I personally prefer the 219's because they have a more organic "woody" feel / tone to them. The 179's strike me as a tad more "modern" sounding - if that makes any sense. But both are really good and I'd easily choose either over 421's due to the dreaded 421 bleed.  . If you really NEED a hypercard due to cymbal imbalance due to the player, the 179's might win out - but for pure tone, it's all 219 for me. As for SDC's on toms....I don't know. I never go there. |
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Post by mcirish on Nov 26, 2023 14:09:34 GMT -6
Interested in these as well. I’ve been wondering about the dynamic ATM230s for toms too, just kinda bored of the e604 😅 I used to use 421s. I'm now using ATM230, 25 and 250 on toms. They all sound great. The 230s were a big step up from the 421s in sound. No complaints. |
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Post by nnajar on Nov 26, 2023 14:23:48 GMT -6
I’m a huge fan of the e22s and we have a few but if you’re looking for drum mics specifically the beyerdynamic clip on drum mics are terrific.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2023 16:48:47 GMT -6
The ATM23 was the favorite Tom mic at SMART for years.
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Post by phdamage on Nov 26, 2023 18:26:49 GMT -6
i used to have a ton of these. I only kept two because for placement, they are superb. the sound is pretty damn thin though. they can manage on toms if you mic the reso heads also with something with more bottom.
I only use them if I absolutely have to. the Beta181s sound so much better, though are a lot more expensive.
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Post by phdamage on Nov 26, 2023 18:27:33 GMT -6
i would never stick these on overheads or an acoustic guitar.
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Post by ericn on Nov 26, 2023 18:31:26 GMT -6
i used to have a ton of these. I only kept two because for placement, they are superb. the sound is pretty damn thin though. they can manage on toms if you mic the reso heads also with something with more bottom. I only use them if I absolutely have to. the Beta181s sound so much better, though are a lot more expensive. The 181 is a better mic, but considering the price the 450 is such a steal. I will admit to a bit of curiosity about the less expensive Shure PGA 181 with the fixed capsule, just not enough to take a flyer😁 |
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Post by phdamage on Nov 26, 2023 18:40:21 GMT -6
i used to have a ton of these. I only kept two because for placement, they are superb. the sound is pretty damn thin though. they can manage on toms if you mic the reso heads also with something with more bottom. I only use them if I absolutely have to. the Beta181s sound so much better, though are a lot more expensive. The 181 is a better mic, but considering the price the 450 is such a steal. I will admit to a bit of curiosity about the less expensive Shure PGA 181 with the fixed capsule, just not enough to take a flyer😁 i have seen prob 6 Beta181s go on ebay in the last month for $200ish. patience is key! almost bought more but I think I have 5, so I'm good. I should note, they also get dented pretty easily if you're sticking them on toms. I think 2 or 3 of mine have decent dents in em. I saw someone talking about those PGA 181s and basically said don't think you're getting a cheaper Beta181 and not to bother - supposedly it cannot take levels of a close mic'd drum. |
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Post by knucklehead89 on Nov 26, 2023 18:42:08 GMT -6
Heil PR31’s are a better version of an MD421 on Toms. The bleed is virtually zero
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Post by ab101 on Nov 26, 2023 20:11:22 GMT -6
i would never stick these on overheads or an acoustic guitar. That is why I think the Samar MG33 mics may be more versatile, and while a little more than the ATM 450, if it can be used on drums and more, they represent a better value. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Nov 26, 2023 21:52:36 GMT -6
I had an ATM-450 for some years. Only place I ever really used in was as a secondary mic on snare top, to mix-in the the 57 or other dynamic. If it wasn’t that, it on hi-hat. Very bright and thin, so it excelled nicely for my application.
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. If you really NEED a hypercard due to cymbal imbalance due to the player, the 179's might win out - but for pure tone, it's all 219 for me. As for SDC's on toms....I don't know. I never go there.
