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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 11:52:28 GMT -6
Most young bands turn their nose up at the sound of real drums anyhow I'm gonna have to disagree with ya there, Ward. I don't know the demographics of the artists you primarily work with, but I'd say amongst my younger clientele there is a particular demand for 'real' drum sounds. Regarding samples, I'd argue that in *most* genres, their use is more the result of inadequate performances than anything else, and, as a mentioned, a general lack of resources (time, money for new drumheads and proper tuning, etc). In a perfect world, I'm quite sure ALL of my clients would prefer we get a perfect drum sound and dial in exceptional performances so that samples are never a necessity. A lot of the time they want real drums but are unhappy with the real drums they recorded or paid someone to record. Especially if their references used a drum machine or samples and they are unaware of that. Very common with 80s and 90s rock and metal. Then there's the cases where the producer/artist isn't happy with the real drums and the samples provide to me sound just as bad. Most of the drum packs are offensively processed and were recorded in a room that doesn't blend to other parts of the recording. I'll often need to apply far more drastic eq filters and gates/expanders to them than with recorded drums. |
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Post by svart on Nov 20, 2023 11:54:54 GMT -6
But I guess in terms of EV's drums.. I just don't really like anything he does. It's all SPLAT and EXCITEMENT but feels disconnected somehow.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 20, 2023 13:13:29 GMT -6
But I guess in terms of EV's drums.. I just don't really like anything he does. It's all SPLAT and EXCITEMENT but feels disconnected somehow. I thought he’d turned acoustic sounding drums into drums that sounded sampled. Ironic really. But I can be safely ignored, my references are from 60’s 70’s 80’s and early 90’s …. anything past 1992 is lost on me LOL! |
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Post by bigbone on Nov 20, 2023 19:55:10 GMT -6
By themselves or in a finished mix: big difference. Still sound better before..... |
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Post by bigbone on Nov 20, 2023 19:58:10 GMT -6
Maybe it's me, but I have to ask, does anyone here think that 90% of what Eric is doing, & discussing is a total waste of time? I think I could have achieved a drum sound, given those tracks in a few minutes, and made slight adjustments for each section, that would have taken less time than it took to watch that video~! Now that said, I like Eric, his company, his products, etc... But, again, I'm sure it's only me the old guy, but boy does this seems like a waste of time in the real scheme of things. Carry on. Agree. Record it right the first time. There are lot of talking about nothing. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Nov 20, 2023 21:13:14 GMT -6
Maybe it's me, but I have to ask, does anyone here think that 90% of what Eric is doing, & discussing is a total waste of time? I think I could have achieved a drum sound, given those tracks in a few minutes, and made slight adjustments for each section, that would have taken less time than it took to watch that video~! Now that said, I like Eric, his company, his products, etc... But, again, I'm sure it's only me the old guy, but boy does this seems like a waste of time in the real scheme of things. Carry on. Agree. Record it right the first time. There are lot of talking about nothing. Man I’m sorry but I just can’t get behind this at all. The guy is one of music’s most successful rock producers and he just gets on YouTube one day and starts giving us mixing deep dives for some of the biggest songs of the last 20 years. Like 3-hour long, no-stone-left-unturned type of shit where he lists every mic, every instrument, every EQ move, every minuscule detail about rooms, preamps, etc. You can’t even get this type of detail on MWTM, and Eric does it completely free of charge. Totally cool if you don’t dig someone’s work or teaching style, but it is a real treat to have access to this kind of stuff. Years ago you would have been stuck piecing together random tidbits from magazines and forums. We are very privileged in this day and age. |
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 21, 2023 0:06:01 GMT -6
Agree. Record it right the first time. There are lot of talking about nothing. Man I’m sorry but I just can’t get behind this at all. The guy is one of music’s most successful rock producers and he just gets on YouTube one day and starts giving us mixing deep dives for some of the biggest songs of the last 20 years. Like 3-hour long, no-stone-left-unturned type of shit where he lists every mic, every instrument, every EQ move, every minuscule detail about rooms, preamps, etc. You can’t even get this type of detail on MWTM, and Eric does it completely free of charge. Totally cool if you don’t dig someone’s work or teaching style, but it is a real treat to have access to this kind of stuff. Years ago you would have been stuck piecing together random tidbits from magazines and forums. We are very privileged in this day and age. Big yep. Eric’s vision is singular and he’s consistently been making some of the most compelling recordings for decades, across an impossibly wide variety of genres. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 21, 2023 0:34:22 GMT -6
Finally checked this out. I think it's rad. I think he used his (considerable) chops to serve that song well and I think it's rad that he shares it freely.
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Post by Ward on Nov 21, 2023 6:28:44 GMT -6
Agree. Record it right the first time. There are lot of talking about nothing. Man I’m sorry but I just can’t get behind this at all. The guy is one of music’s most successful rock producers and he just gets on YouTube one day and starts giving us mixing deep dives for some of the biggest songs of the last 20 years. Like 3-hour long, no-stone-left-unturned type of shit where he lists every mic, every instrument, every EQ move, every minuscule detail about rooms, preamps, etc. You can’t even get this type of detail on MWTM, and Eric does it completely free of charge. Totally cool if you don’t dig someone’s work or teaching style, but it is a real treat to have access to this kind of stuff. Years ago you would have been stuck piecing together random tidbits from magazines and forums. We are very privileged in this day and age. Man I’m sorry but I just can’t get behind this at all. The guy is one of music’s most successful rock producers and he just gets on YouTube one day and starts giving us mixing deep dives for some of the biggest songs of the last 20 years. Like 3-hour long, no-stone-left-unturned type of shit where he lists every mic, every instrument, every EQ move, every minuscule detail about rooms, preamps, etc. You can’t even get this type of detail on MWTM, and Eric does it completely free of charge. Totally cool if you don’t dig someone’s work or teaching style, but it is a real treat to have access to this kind of stuff. Years ago you would have been stuck piecing together random tidbits from magazines and forums. We are very privileged in this day and age. Big yep. Eric’s vision is singular and he’s consistently been making some of the most compelling recordings for decades, across an impossibly wide variety of genres. Finally checked this out. I think it's rad. I think he used his (considerable) chops to serve that song well and I think it's rad that he shares it freely. Totally agree with you three gents. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 7:45:13 GMT -6
Agree. Record it right the first time. There are lot of talking about nothing. Man I’m sorry but I just can’t get behind this at all. The guy is one of music’s most successful rock producers and he just gets on YouTube one day and starts giving us mixing deep dives for some of the biggest songs of the last 20 years. Like 3-hour long, no-stone-left-unturned type of shit where he lists every mic, every instrument, every EQ move, every minuscule detail about rooms, preamps, etc. You can’t even get this type of detail on MWTM, and Eric does it completely free of charge. Totally cool if you don’t dig someone’s work or teaching style, but it is a real treat to have access to this kind of stuff. Years ago you would have been stuck piecing together random tidbits from magazines and forums. We are very privileged in this day and age. he’s walking you through exactly how to get the drums to pop on a pop record. How he makes the room come through the kicks irradiated. How he made the record. And he doesn’t go Dave Pensado where the magic plugin of the week makes the drum 1% better. Eric Valentine makes it 50% better or 50% more irradiated. How can you criticize him except for following current pop trends he helped set that made him successful? Then there’s people criticizing him who have no peak control in their mixes until they clip the final pcm files or inadvertently clip their own converters. Criticizing him for harmonic distortion when they’re making crispier records than Chinese CRISPR babies? Yo wtf man?  ?? |
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Post by lee on Nov 21, 2023 22:18:39 GMT -6
Man I’m sorry but I just can’t get behind this at all. The guy is one of music’s most successful rock producers and he just gets on YouTube one day and starts giving us mixing deep dives for some of the biggest songs of the last 20 years. Like 3-hour long, no-stone-left-unturned type of shit where he lists every mic, every instrument, every EQ move, every minuscule detail about rooms, preamps, etc. You can’t even get this type of detail on MWTM, and Eric does it completely free of charge. Totally cool if you don’t dig someone’s work or teaching style, but it is a real treat to have access to this kind of stuff. Years ago you would have been stuck piecing together random tidbits from magazines and forums. We are very privileged in this day and age. Big yep. Eric’s vision is singular and he’s consistently been making some of the most compelling recordings for decades, across an impossibly wide variety of genres. I love the drum sound on the Persephone's Bees record. I guess it's become a "classic" EV drum sound (It's also him playing), but for the genre of music, that kind of splatty, preamp-driven sound is what the doctor ordered. To your point, the Nickel Creek records sound nothing like these other examples, and sound great to my ears. I benefit a lot from his online generosity. And now for something completely different, The One Mic Drum Sound |
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