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Post by drumsound on Nov 6, 2023 22:59:51 GMT -6
I appreciate that type of work flow. I like the SP2016 quite a bit. I LOVE simple user interfaces. That's exciting! We've all heard that room so many times. The Kramer HLS is a good plugin, but turn the noise off as the first part of the process. The UAD Helios Legacy sounds good, I need to audition the upgrade. Anyone have thoughts on the newer version? This is gonna be cool. Aw, man. They took the video down. |
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Post by bobeschism on Nov 7, 2023 1:51:23 GMT -6
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Post by christopher on Nov 7, 2023 1:59:26 GMT -6
Yeah the “studio” reverb plugins are probably my favorite plugins past 10 years. Sound-wise I feel like existing reverb plugins might beat them? It’s so close though, and the visual feedback of seeing the space is just soooooo cool. I love Sunset for that, super easy to visualize what I’m trying to get. I don’t bother using anything else for verb much. Hasn’t replaced room mics- it’s just fun to add those rooms in softly
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 7, 2023 2:43:20 GMT -6
I love the pulsar 1178. I basically use it like I would any 76. It’s got hp sc, different saturation options, over sampling. Love it. I still love the UAD stuff too. No other 76 plugs break up like the UAD one - like for parallel drum bus - crank the input, slow attack fast release, all buttons in. It can mangle. Yes I agree, the Pulsar 1178 is an excellent compressor plugin. I also still use the UAD 76’s too, they’re also class leading. I also agree with you about HW vs SW. Especially EQ. One always needs to use so much more gain with software EQ vs HW EQ. As soon as I start to turn the knobs on any of my hardware EQ’s be it from a lowly Mackie 1402 monitoring desk to my Swift tube EQ on the stereo bus then there’s an instant musical thump or gloss or mid push even with a tiny amount of gain! On an equivalent software EQ nothings seems to happen of musical significance until the gain is pushed much further than seems correct - sw EQ never seems to act on the digital with any heft or weight it has a hollowness I’m always fighting to compensate for. The only exception that comes to mind is the DMG Equilibrium, which when set up with a long impulse response length and using some CPU cycles it seems to be able to get much closer to my hardware EQ’s. |
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Post by deif on Nov 7, 2023 5:50:07 GMT -6
UA just announced a new Native bundle. Sweet deal! www.pluginboutique.com/product/81-Bundles/39-Effects-Bundles/11607-UAD-Signature-Edition-Crossgrade-Bundle-Free-LA-2A?refSrc=7408&nosto=frontpage-nosto-1Included in the UAD Signature Edition 1176 Limiter Collection API 2500 Bus Compressor API Vision Channel Strip Avalon VT-737 Tube Channel Strip Brigade Chorus Pedal Capitol Chambers Capitol Mastering Compressor Century Tube Channel Strip dbx 160VU Compressor / Limiter Electra 88 Vintage Keyboard Studio Empirical Labs EL8 Distressor Fairchild Limiter Collection Galaxy Tape Echo Hitsville EQ Collection Hitsville Reverb Chambers Lexicon 224 Digital Reverb Manley Massive Passive EQ Manley Tube Preamp Manley VOXBOX Channel Strip Moog Minimoog Opal Morphing Synth Oxide Tape Recorder PolyMAX Synth Pultec EQ Collection Pure Plate Reverb Ravel Grand Piano Sound City Studios Studer A800 Tape Recorder Studio D Chorus Teletronix LA-2A Leveler Collection Teletronix LA-3A Compressor UA 175B & 176 Tube Compressor Collection Waterfall B3 Organ Waterfall Rotary Speaker |
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Post by chipbuttie on Nov 7, 2023 7:28:40 GMT -6
There’s a lot of UAD love in this thread, I’ve always avoided them as I didn’t want to get sucked into their DSP ecosystem but now there are running natively that’s not so much of an issue. Are their emulations really that much better than sod tube and plug-in alliance etc? They have emulations of a lot of the same things such as Distressor, API 2500, API channel strip, I already own quite a few plug-in alliance plugins.
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Post by subspace on Nov 7, 2023 8:12:39 GMT -6
Thanks for the tip. Took the plunge for the Mix bundle. Having some issues getting it sorted. But I’m old and sometimes tech challenged. Cheers, Geoff Well other than UAD not letting me download the plugs all is good. Grrrrr. Cheers, Geoff Download UA Connect, everything happens through their app, download and ilok cloud authorization. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 7, 2023 8:24:57 GMT -6
There’s a lot of UAD love in this thread, I’ve always avoided them as I didn’t want to get sucked into their DSP ecosystem but now there are running natively that’s not so much of an issue. Are their emulations really that much better than sod tube and plug-in alliance etc? They have emulations of a lot of the same things such as Distressor, API 2500, API channel strip, I already own quite a few plug-in alliance plugins. So, I too have wondered about this. When I had the Spark subscription I enjoyed it, but I wasn't blown away by any means. Not that they were bad. Just overly hyped by the UAD marketing machine and internet tendencies. For instance, I have the Pulsar 1176 and it's really good. But, recently the UAD 1176 bundle was so cheap I just went ahead and grabbed it. And they're proving helpful to have. I also grabbed the free LA2A and it's handy. The thing about all of these is they're seemingly dirtier sounding than my other emulations. Not in a bad way, but I think they saturate faster than Pulsar, for example. The UA reissue LA2A, for example, is way cleaner in my experience than this free plug in. I think this is maybe where the reputation comes from, that they sound more analog. No big deal since you can trim down before the UA stuff for cleaner sound. And I honestly am just observing, have done 0 actual tests here, so big grains of salt. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 7, 2023 9:32:26 GMT -6
I love the pulsar 1178. I basically use it like I would any 76. It’s got hp sc, different saturation options, over sampling. Love it. I still love the UAD stuff too. No other 76 plugs break up like the UAD one - like for parallel drum bus - crank the input, slow attack fast release, all buttons in. It can mangle. Yes I agree, the Pulsar 1178 is an excellent compressor plugin. I also still use the UAD 76’s too, they’re also class leading. I also agree with you about HW vs SW. Especially EQ. One always needs to use so much more gain with software EQ vs HW EQ. As soon as I start to turn the knobs on any of my hardware EQ’s be it from a lowly Mackie 1402 monitoring desk to my Swift tube EQ on the stereo bus then there’s an instant musical thump or gloss or mid push even with a tiny amount of gain! On an equivalent software EQ nothings seems to happen of musical significance until the gain is pushed much further than seems correct - sw EQ never seems to act on the digital with any heft or weight it has a hollowness I’m always fighting to compensate for. The only exception that comes to mind is the DMG Equilibrium, which when set up with a long impulse response length and using some CPU cycles it seems to be able to get much closer to my hardware EQ’s. Man, I don’t know if I’m the same with eq’s. Honestly, I couldn’t tell a difference in eq if blindfolded. The only thing I think I’ve noticed is that you seem to be able to push hw eq farther without getting harsh or painful. I just struggle to invest in hw eq when I’d need 30 of them to do what I do with sw. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 7, 2023 9:38:17 GMT -6
There’s a lot of UAD love in this thread, I’ve always avoided them as I didn’t want to get sucked into their DSP ecosystem but now there are running natively that’s not so much of an issue. Are their emulations really that much better than sod tube and plug-in alliance etc? They have emulations of a lot of the same things such as Distressor, API 2500, API channel strip, I already own quite a few plug-in alliance plugins. So, I too have wondered about this. When I had the Spark subscription I enjoyed it, but I wasn't blown away by any means. Not that they were bad. Just overly hyped by the UAD marketing machine and internet tendencies. For instance, I have the Pulsar 1176 and it's really good. But, recently the UAD 1176 bundle was so cheap I just went ahead and grabbed it. And they're proving helpful to have. I also grabbed the free LA2A and it's handy. The thing about all of these is they're seemingly dirtier sounding than my other emulations. Not in a bad way, but I think they saturate faster than Pulsar, for example. The UA reissue LA2A, for example, is way cleaner in my experience than this free plug in. I think this is maybe where the reputation comes from, that they sound more analog. No big deal since you can trim down before the UA stuff for cleaner sound. And I honestly am just observing, have done 0 actual tests here, so big grains of salt. Well, the pulsar is an 1178, so it should be cleaner…but I agree on the 76’s. They seem to crunch more than others - which I kind of interpreted as “more authentic.” I think there was a time when UAD was far ahead…now I think others have caught up and surpassed in some instances. To me - UA is like Apple. They innovate, the presentation is top in class, marketing is like crack, and there’s such a wide variety of cool emus. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 7, 2023 9:39:15 GMT -6
Oh - unless you were talking about the pulsar smasher…but I thought that was supposed to be ABI destruction.
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Post by svart on Nov 7, 2023 12:33:19 GMT -6
If I had to do it all over again here's the ones I'd buy first:
Arouser (compressor)
Silencer (Drum gate)
Crave (EQ)
BOD (free distortion sim)
ML Plexi (guitar sim)
Soothe (spectral compressor)
SSL Native Bus compressor
Both Ruletec EQs
Valhalla Room (reverb)
With that list I could do most anything I needed.
Honorable mentions would be Waves L1 and 1176, Magnetite, and a number of guitar sims that I'm not going to list out.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 7, 2023 12:36:30 GMT -6
Oh - unless you were talking about the pulsar smasher…but I thought that was supposed to be ABI destruction. Nah, you’re totally correct. Good call out. But I think the principle is the same: it feels like the UA’s get gritty quicker than even the real Rev D I used to use all the time. Of course, gain staging is a huge piece of this. It’s not a bad sound at all, regardless. |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 7, 2023 13:10:21 GMT -6
Yes I agree, the Pulsar 1178 is an excellent compressor plugin. I also still use the UAD 76’s too, they’re also class leading. I also agree with you about HW vs SW. Especially EQ. One always needs to use so much more gain with software EQ vs HW EQ. As soon as I start to turn the knobs on any of my hardware EQ’s be it from a lowly Mackie 1402 monitoring desk to my Swift tube EQ on the stereo bus then there’s an instant musical thump or gloss or mid push even with a tiny amount of gain! On an equivalent software EQ nothings seems to happen of musical significance until the gain is pushed much further than seems correct - sw EQ never seems to act on the digital with any heft or weight it has a hollowness I’m always fighting to compensate for. The only exception that comes to mind is the DMG Equilibrium, which when set up with a long impulse response length and using some CPU cycles it seems to be able to get much closer to my hardware EQ’s. Man, I don’t know if I’m the same with eq’s. Honestly, I couldn’t tell a difference in eq if blindfolded. The only thing I think I’ve noticed is that you seem to be able to push hw eq farther without getting harsh or painful. I just struggle to invest in hw eq when I’d need 30 of them to do what I do with sw. Well I only have a hardware stereo tube EQ on my stereo bus and a few for tracking like the EQ in my BAE 1073 and Millennia channel strip. When I'm mixing my channel EQ's are software. I have noticed when I'm top down mixing and getting the vibe with the Swift Tube EQ on the stereo bus that I need a lot less individual channel EQ boosting with the software eq's which is a good thing in my book as boosting never sounds that great to me on sw EQ. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2023 13:48:14 GMT -6
There’s a lot of UAD love in this thread, I’ve always avoided them as I didn’t want to get sucked into their DSP ecosystem but now there are running natively that’s not so much of an issue. Are their emulations really that much better than sod tube and plug-in alliance etc? They have emulations of a lot of the same things such as Distressor, API 2500, API channel strip, I already own quite a few plug-in alliance plugins. So, I too have wondered about this. When I had the Spark subscription I enjoyed it, but I wasn't blown away by any means. Not that they were bad. Just overly hyped by the UAD marketing machine and internet tendencies. For instance, I have the Pulsar 1176 and it's really good. But, recently the UAD 1176 bundle was so cheap I just went ahead and grabbed it. And they're proving helpful to have. I also grabbed the free LA2A and it's handy. The thing about all of these is they're seemingly dirtier sounding than my other emulations. Not in a bad way, but I think they saturate faster than Pulsar, for example. The UA reissue LA2A, for example, is way cleaner in my experience than this free plug in. I think this is maybe where the reputation comes from, that they sound more analog. No big deal since you can trim down before the UA stuff for cleaner sound. And I honestly am just observing, have done 0 actual tests here, so big grains of salt. you’re not wrong. Your hardware is cleaner but probably noisier than all of these emulation plugins. The hardware has more bandwidth despite additional slight distortions allowing it to use algorithms realized in circuit form with multiple functions that produce infinite harmonics in the sidechain, the control path, of the compressor. In digital, these will just reflect back instantly as inharmonic partials, leading to the dynamics processor to eventually horribly misfire and do stupid random things to the audio with stupid random distortions, eg L1 metallic tinge and not limiting any peaks, UAD SSL Bus comp and PSP Busspressor getting muddy yes an ssl bus getting muddy, and your stock daw compressor sounding like a gritty piece of shit. There are ways in digital to minimize distortion that do not exist in analog: lookahead smooths the attack, more release envelopes are possible, a smoother rectifier can be written than physical diodes, the sidechain will not bleed into the audible path, the optical detectors will not age, there won’t be any noise from fixed gain, low signal level gain reduction elements like jfets and diodes. Most emulations do none of these. Put the UAD compressors or the Pulsar that has more bandwidth next to hardware or plugs like Presswerk, Kotelnikov, or MDWDRC2 in an analyzer and they just look stupid. |
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Post by ab101 on Nov 7, 2023 14:19:50 GMT -6
Good post Dan! By the way, I love my Thermionic Swift especially with its sweet high end. I wish thermionic and tdr would work together!
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 7, 2023 16:08:38 GMT -6
Well other than UAD not letting me download the plugs all is good. Grrrrr. Cheers, Geoff Download UA Connect, everything happens through their app, download and ilok cloud authorization. Yeah figured that out. My internet was too slow. Moved things to the same room as the router and problem solved. Bit of a pita, but getting things sorted. Pondering pulling the plug on the Silver Bullet while the machine is where it is. Doubt it will be further discounted. But that will pretty much blow the budget. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 7, 2023 16:43:06 GMT -6
Download UA Connect, everything happens through their app, download and ilok cloud authorization. Yeah figured that out. My internet was too slow. Moved things to the same room as the router and problem solved. Bit of a pita, but getting things sorted. Pondering pulling the plug on the Silver Bullet while the machine is where it is. Doubt it will be further discounted. But that will pretty much blow the budget. Cheers, Geoff SB plug in is top notch and super versatile. |
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 7, 2023 17:04:09 GMT -6
Yeah figured that out. My internet was too slow. Moved things to the same room as the router and problem solved. Bit of a pita, but getting things sorted. Pondering pulling the plug on the Silver Bullet while the machine is where it is. Doubt it will be further discounted. But that will pretty much blow the budget. Cheers, Geoff SB plug in is top notch and super versatile. Yeah, it looks awesome. But I guess I m pondering getting most or all of the other stuff on my wish list, or the SB. Either way I don’t think I can go wrong. Decisions, decisions. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by ragan on Nov 7, 2023 18:20:13 GMT -6
UA just announced a new Native bundle. Sweet deal! www.pluginboutique.com/product/81-Bundles/39-Effects-Bundles/11607-UAD-Signature-Edition-Crossgrade-Bundle-Free-LA-2A?refSrc=7408&nosto=frontpage-nosto-1Included in the UAD Signature Edition 1176 Limiter Collection API 2500 Bus Compressor API Vision Channel Strip Avalon VT-737 Tube Channel Strip Brigade Chorus Pedal Capitol Chambers Capitol Mastering Compressor Century Tube Channel Strip dbx 160VU Compressor / Limiter Electra 88 Vintage Keyboard Studio Empirical Labs EL8 Distressor Fairchild Limiter Collection Galaxy Tape Echo Hitsville EQ Collection Hitsville Reverb Chambers Lexicon 224 Digital Reverb Manley Massive Passive EQ Manley Tube Preamp Manley VOXBOX Channel Strip Moog Minimoog Opal Morphing Synth Oxide Tape Recorder PolyMAX Synth Pultec EQ Collection Pure Plate Reverb Ravel Grand Piano Sound City Studios Studer A800 Tape Recorder Studio D Chorus Teletronix LA-2A Leveler Collection Teletronix LA-3A Compressor UA 175B & 176 Tube Compressor Collection Waterfall B3 Organ Waterfall Rotary Speaker Jeez. That’s a lot of action for $300. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 7, 2023 18:24:31 GMT -6
UA just announced a new Native bundle. Sweet deal! www.pluginboutique.com/product/81-Bundles/39-Effects-Bundles/11607-UAD-Signature-Edition-Crossgrade-Bundle-Free-LA-2A?refSrc=7408&nosto=frontpage-nosto-1Included in the UAD Signature Edition 1176 Limiter Collection API 2500 Bus Compressor API Vision Channel Strip Avalon VT-737 Tube Channel Strip Brigade Chorus Pedal Capitol Chambers Capitol Mastering Compressor Century Tube Channel Strip dbx 160VU Compressor / Limiter Electra 88 Vintage Keyboard Studio Empirical Labs EL8 Distressor Fairchild Limiter Collection Galaxy Tape Echo Hitsville EQ Collection Hitsville Reverb Chambers Lexicon 224 Digital Reverb Manley Massive Passive EQ Manley Tube Preamp Manley VOXBOX Channel Strip Moog Minimoog Opal Morphing Synth Oxide Tape Recorder PolyMAX Synth Pultec EQ Collection Pure Plate Reverb Ravel Grand Piano Sound City Studios Studer A800 Tape Recorder Studio D Chorus Teletronix LA-2A Leveler Collection Teletronix LA-3A Compressor UA 175B & 176 Tube Compressor Collection Waterfall B3 Organ Waterfall Rotary Speaker Jeez. That’s a lot of action for $300. If I were starting new, I would totally be jumping on this. And these are not just the native plugins (except for those that are only offered in native), but also their DSP counterparts for that price. Total no brainer if you're at all interested in going UAD. |
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Post by ragan on Nov 7, 2023 18:25:45 GMT -6
I think I will be picking up some big UAD bundle, but will wait for BF sales probably.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 7, 2023 21:57:06 GMT -6
Ok. Bit thé (Silver) Bullet. So I think my Black Friday shopping is done.
I must have downloaded it three or four times. Where the f is it? Oh, in amongst the Plug-in Alliance stuff. Hiding in plain sight. D’oh!
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 7, 2023 22:06:03 GMT -6
I wonder if there’s any way to upgrade from the bundle I bought a few weeks ago? That Signature Edition Bundle has a lot in it.
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 7, 2023 22:07:45 GMT -6
Ok. Bit thé (Silver) Bullet. So I think my Black Friday shopping is done. I must have downloaded it three or four times. Where the f is it? Oh, in amongst the Plug-in Alliance stuff. Hiding in plain sight. D’oh! Cheers, Geoff I think you're going to really like it, Geoff - it’s an exceptional plugin. |
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