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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 14:36:14 GMT -6
Fuck what a miserable experience, NOT EVEN CLOSE. The reference was strong in the bottom, clearer top. I've been having this issue with the Kemper a lot lately, I've done some profiles where I can't hear it but whenever there's a loud high gain amp it all of a sudden shits the bed.
Anyone got some experiences they could share when it comes to profiling?
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Post by warren on Jul 7, 2014 15:32:27 GMT -6
Hmm, I was really considering getting a Kemper and selling my amps to save space. This would be a problem since all my amps are high gain amps :/
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Post by Ward on Jul 8, 2014 8:41:03 GMT -6
The whole 'Kemper Hype' thing is dead now, innit?? Didn't it turn out to be a bit of 'the emperor's new clothes'?
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Post by donr on Jul 8, 2014 8:49:02 GMT -6
I have not done a lot of profiling, but what I have done has been successful matching what went in the Kemper. When profiling an amp using the Two-Notes Torpedo instead of a cab/mic, listening only to the monitors and without any influence from a cab in the room, I can reliably get the profile to the point where I do not prefer the original input to the profile.
There's many great user profiles up on the Kemper forum. Using any of those, you don't know if the profiled amp sounded better. Only if you like what you hear.
Then I don't use a ton of amp gain on my own stuff. And I don't record other guitarists that do.
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Post by donr on Jul 8, 2014 8:57:45 GMT -6
I watched a Pete Thorn video demo'ing the Apollo Twin. He had a Two-Notes Torpedo in his desktop rack, and a Kemper sitting on his desk.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 8, 2014 9:02:02 GMT -6
I never profiled anything with the Kemper, but I really liked it a lot. I'd love to have another one. I ultimately sold the Kemper, bought a Deluxe and a 57 and called it a day. I have to say, I feel like I'm getting more muscle in my guitar tracks now. It's that lack of low mid thump that happens in the room that is what you miss when playing the Kemper - but I'm beginning to think you miss that a little in the recording too. I know plenty of studio guys that are using this for overdubs and small sessions, so I definitely believe it's a fantastic tool. The convenience is unrivaled.
I never used many of the high gain versions or profiled them - but I know Michael Waegner swears by it, right? You think there's something wrong with yours?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:37:51 GMT -6
The whole 'Kemper Hype' thing is dead now, innit?? Didn't it turn out to be a bit of 'the emperor's new clothes'? I don't think so, I think it's just me. I'm fucking up somehwere because everyone elses clips sound dead on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:40:26 GMT -6
WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ABOUT THIS TWO NOTES TORPEDO THING!?
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Post by svart on Jul 10, 2014 11:34:17 GMT -6
The whole 'Kemper Hype' thing is dead now, innit?? Didn't it turn out to be a bit of 'the emperor's new clothes'? Aren't they all? It's funny that the professionals still keep going back to the same handful of vintage mics, amps, guitars and gear over and over even in the face of all this brand new "technology".. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 10, 2014 11:54:59 GMT -6
The whole 'Kemper Hype' thing is dead now, innit?? Didn't it turn out to be a bit of 'the emperor's new clothes'? Aren't they all? It's funny that the professionals still keep going back to the same handful of vintage mics, amps, guitars and gear over and over even in the face of all this brand new "technology".. that thing is a good quick demo tool, but could you imagine Hendrix playing through a Kemper? also, i've picked out kemper tracks unprompted on the occasions it was present with an inquisical "is that a kemper?", it does not sound the real deal to my ears, you can have a hard time picking it out on a demo of lower quality, but the more dynamic and sophisticated the guitar part, and the better the overall recording(not plastered with compression), the more obvious it's limitations become IME but like i said earlier, i think its a cool idea capturing tool. of course as always, JMO |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 10, 2014 12:58:08 GMT -6
Try an Eleven Rack
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Post by Ward on Jul 10, 2014 22:11:45 GMT -6
I have an Eleven Rack. It sits on top of my Marshall JMP1 preamp - the greatest unsung hero in studio guitar tools and it's been so for about 20 years now. The thing is amazing. |
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Post by donr on Jul 11, 2014 1:22:35 GMT -6
WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ABOUT THIS TWO NOTES TORPEDO THING!? I've spoken about it here, and on GS, in the context of iso cabs for home studios. I've used it for a couple years now live and recording and I love it. The FOH and my IEM's gets an ENGL530 pre and power section of a JCM900 amp into the Torpedo load and cab IR, generally an ENGL 2x12 mic'ed with a U87, about a foot off the speaker and slightly off center. You can tune the IR with in-ears, tweak the mic placement and type, eq, there's power amp sims in there too. I augment the Marshall tube sound mixing in a bit of 6L6 pentode emulation. All saved as preset. I never run the Marshall master past 4 or 5, most of my distortion is on the pedal board. The Torpedo also drives another Marshall half-stack (effect return) for a low volume stage monitor. Steve LaCerra, our FOH mixer, loves it. Easy to mix, keeps the guitar out of the vocal mic. |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 11, 2014 4:42:33 GMT -6
I have an Eleven Rack. It sits on top of my Marshall JMP1 preamp - the greatest unsung hero in studio guitar tools and it's been so for about 20 years now. The thing is amazing. Didn't they only come out about 5 years ago? |
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Post by Ward on Jul 11, 2014 7:46:40 GMT -6
I have an Eleven Rack. It sits on top of my Marshall JMP1 preamp - the greatest unsung hero in studio guitar tools and it's been so for about 20 years now. The thing is amazing. Didn't they only come out about 5 years ago? JMP1?? I bought mine in 1995. Nearly 20 years of fantastic tones. The 11R? I bought that about 4 years ago. Works once in a while. Good for demo purposes. But with 4 Voxes and 4 Dr. Zs, Blackfaces, a Magnatone etc... I don't find much use for it in album production. And back to the Kemper. Yes, it can model and sound similar but it does not have the inspiration that comes from the smell of burning tubes and capacitors in an amp that's turned up to 'meltdown' nor does it have that 'fight' you get from forcing a tube amp to do what you want it to and the nirvana that comes from that. Nothing will ever replace that for the dedicated and/or serious and/or experienced and/or crusty old fart guitarists out there! |
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Post by donr on Jul 11, 2014 9:35:46 GMT -6
Didn't they only come out about 5 years ago? JMP1?? I bought mine in 1995. Nearly 20 years of fantastic tones. The 11R? I bought that about 4 years ago. Works once in a while. Good for demo purposes. But with 4 Voxes and 4 Dr. Zs, Blackfaces, a Magnatone etc... I don't find much use for it in album production. And back to the Kemper. Yes, it can model and sound similar but it does not have the inspiration that comes from the smell of burning tubes and capacitors in an amp that's turned up to 'meltdown' nor does it have that 'fight' you get from forcing a tube amp to do what you want it to and the nirvana that comes from that. Nothing will ever replace that for the dedicated and/or serious and/or experienced and/or crusty old fart guitarists out there! Ward, you just reminded me I have a JMP1 and it likely has some unmined golden tones used with the Torpedo, to be profiled with the Kemper. Ha, Marshall should make a cologne (instead of headphones,) the odor/aroma of a Marshall amp is unique. Fender too! You're right about the visceral connection playing an amp at amp volume compared to playing a Kemper in the control room or home studio. The Kemper is primarily a convenience in a home or apartment, or archiving a setup not easily duplicated for the future. I've had no desire to replace my stage rig with the Kemper, although it would be easily do-able, and I've used it successfully live a couple times, with two QSC K-10's. A Kemper at stage volume starts behaving like you'd expect an amp to behave, only you're playing an amp that's already been recorded. A little spooky, but still fun. |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 11, 2014 9:48:57 GMT -6
Didn't they only come out about 5 years ago? JMP1?? I bought mine in 1995. Nearly 20 years of fantastic tones. The 11R? I bought that about 4 years ago. Works once in a while. Good for demo purposes. But with 4 Voxes and 4 Dr. Zs, Blackfaces, a Magnatone etc... I don't find much use for it in album production. Avid www.avid.com/US/products/eleven-rack |
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Post by Ward on Jul 11, 2014 11:13:36 GMT -6
Ha, Marshall should make a cologne (instead of headphones,) the odor/aroma of a Marshall amp is unique. Fender too! My favorite is 'Eau de Vox AC30 de brûlé' LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 13:22:20 GMT -6
I'm saying I suck and the Kemper is good. I'm never getting rid of it, it's still a very creative tool and I'm sure any good player will be just as fine through it. It does nail the dynamics. I'm simply having trouble getting a convincing profile from it which could be a settings thing or a monitoring issue which is very possible.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 11, 2014 18:06:27 GMT -6
Absolutely nothing wrong with the Kemper. It's an awesome tool.
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Post by bobbritt on Jul 14, 2014 20:20:37 GMT -6
Absolutely nothing wrong with the Kemper. It's an awesome tool. Ditto... The best piece of studio gear for guitar I've seen in years. No... decades. |
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Post by papag on Jul 20, 2014 20:01:30 GMT -6
The Kemper is an outstanding piece of kit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 13:16:59 GMT -6
If maybe some of you guys can share what you're doing when profiling really loud amps that would be helpful, it seems to work just fine when I'm just using a low volume setting but when I start cranking the output the profile comes back really weird.
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Post by svart on Jul 22, 2014 13:33:55 GMT -6
Many of the engineers doing the heaviest stuff have said that they track guitars at listenable volumes, not cranked to high stage volumes..
Perhaps you are simply cranking them too loud?
One thing I don't understand though.. If you have the amp to profile.. Why not just use it and be done with it?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 22, 2014 13:42:14 GMT -6
Many of the engineers doing the heaviest stuff have said that they track guitars at listenable volumes, not cranked to high stage volumes.. Perhaps you are simply cranking them too loud? One thing I don't understand though.. If you have the amp to profile.. Why not just use it and be done with it? I would imagine that when someone brings an amp to the studio, he wants to profile it to have in the bank for future use. |
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