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Post by thehightenor on Oct 31, 2023 2:08:01 GMT -6
Typical “greasy” Apple marketing.
M3 60% quicker then M1
What about compared to last weeks M2?
They might as well say M3 6000% faster than G3!
Honestly.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2023 2:29:25 GMT -6
Well, or if we’ve been following silicon along, then each gen has seen a roughly 20-25% improvement, so roughly 60%+, gen 1-gen3, also remembering that gen1 was faster than intel I7, so significant cumulative performance improvements, plus faster ram, lower heat, fan noise and hopefully greater longevity.
My m1 mini just gets the job done here, no muss no fuss.
Was recording with a buddy two days ago and his i7 mini with 32 gig ram has been crashing all the time since he loaded latest OS, not certain why he did ?
Anyway, the new m3 mbp 16 inch and the imac 24 inch would be pretty sweet, if you were in the market.
Still also running my 2012 i7, with ventura, used open legacy patcher to load uncertified os, works perfectly, nice to have same gen softwares on m1 and older i7, and not get marooned by apple.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 31, 2023 2:32:36 GMT -6
Well, or if we’ve been following silicon along, then each gen has seen a roughly 20-25% improvement, so roughly 60%+, gen 1-gen3, also remembering that gen1 was faster than intel I7, so significant cumulative performance improvements, plus faster ram, lower heat, fan noise and hopefully greater longevity. My m1 mini just gets the job done here, no muss no fuss. Was recording with a buddy two days ago and his i7 mini with 32 gig ram has been crashing all the time since he loaded latest OS, not certain why he did ? Anyway, the new m3 mbp 16 inch and the imac 24 inch would be pretty sweet, if you were in the market. Still also running my 2012 i7, with ventura, used open legacy patcher to load uncertified os, works perfectly, nice to have same gen softwares on m1 and older i7, and not get marooned by apple. My office/teaching room needs a new iMac and I have been holding out for the M3 iMac. Hopefully they’ll be a sensibly priced entry level unit. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2023 2:41:24 GMT -6
Base prices were in the article, if you just don’t load up on drive and ram, can keep price out of stratosphere !  Good luck! |
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Post by lee on Oct 31, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -6
SOB. My M2 MacBook Pro is sitting in customs, about to be delivered!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 8:42:35 GMT -6
It's easy to ho-hum the incremental improvements in the M3. But I think there's more to it. The reduction of power consumption is noteworthy and points the way towards longer battery life for laptops and even lower fan requirements for desktop. I'm not graphics-oriented (same is true of most people on this list), but the improvement in the graphics cores may quell the complaints of those that work in that area. As far as the improvements in the neural engine, who knows? I appreciate the fact that Apple prefers to keep this processing on-board, rather than sending it upstream to Google et al. There are a number of audio restoration and mastering tools that claim to use AI, but I have no idea if they're currently using the Apple Silicon GPUs and Neural Engine for this work. It would seem to me that there may be substantial untapped resources in the M3 and I certainly hope that developers in our area begin to take full advantage of what's there.
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2023 10:38:05 GMT -6
It's easy to ho-hum the incremental improvements in the M3. But I think there's more to it. The reduction of power consumption is noteworthy and points the way towards longer battery life for laptops and even lower fan requirements for desktop. I'm not graphics-oriented (same is true of most people on this list), but the improvement in the graphics cores may quell the complaints of those that work in that area. As far as the improvements in the neural engine, who knows? I appreciate the fact that Apple prefers to keep this processing on-board, rather than sending it upstream to Google et al. There are a number of audio restoration and mastering tools that claim to use AI, but I have no idea if they're currently using the Apple Silicon GPUs and Neural Engine for this work. It would seem to me that there may be substantial untapped resources in the M3 and I certainly hope that developers in our area begin to take full advantage of what's there. I think most think these chips are all about their personal needs rather than the couple taking up space at my local coffee shop / breakfast place charging 2 iPads off of and running YouTube videos all day off a MacBook Pro. Unfortunately those are the customers who keep Apple going not us. For them battery life / lack of heat is everything. |
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Post by svart on Oct 31, 2023 11:53:34 GMT -6
Typical “greasy” Apple marketing. M3 60% quicker then M1 What about compared to last weeks M2? They might as well say M3 6000% faster than G3! Honestly. Harkens back to the G3 era of "It's a super computer!" marketing and it turned out that they used a specially designed benchmark to show 1000% faster speed than a PC when in reality it was about 30% slower overall than a PC. |
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Post by geoff738 on Oct 31, 2023 12:33:03 GMT -6
SOB. My M2 MacBook Pro is sitting in customs, about to be delivered! Ugh. I just got my Mac mini after I got tired of waiting and waiting for essentially this announcement. I feel your pain. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2023 12:38:54 GMT -6
I have silicon envy. Just on a lowly M1 Mac Studio...
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2023 12:40:09 GMT -6
Typical “greasy” Apple marketing. M3 60% quicker then M1 What about compared to last weeks M2? They might as well say M3 6000% faster than G3! Honestly. Harkens back to the G3 era of "It's a super computer!" marketing and it turned out that they used a specially designed benchmark to show 1000% faster speed than a PC when in reality it was about 30% slower overall than a PC. PCs suck...  |
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Post by svart on Oct 31, 2023 13:25:42 GMT -6
Harkens back to the G3 era of "It's a super computer!" marketing and it turned out that they used a specially designed benchmark to show 1000% faster speed than a PC when in reality it was about 30% slower overall than a PC. PCs suck...  |
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Post by ericn on Oct 31, 2023 13:29:22 GMT -6
I have silicon envy. Just on a lowly M1 Mac Studio... I’m still on Intel. |
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Post by robo on Oct 31, 2023 13:51:51 GMT -6
I have silicon envy. Just on a lowly M1 Mac Studio... I’m still on Intel. Me too. Since it looks like I’ll be spending my retirement fund on an M5 or whatever, I’m keeping this machine humming as long as I can. |
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Post by sirthought on Oct 31, 2023 14:19:35 GMT -6
I still think the first Mac Studio should do well for audio for a long time. Still, the progress builds...
They claim M3 Pro has a 30% increase in single core performance over an M1 Pro, but the power consumption is about the same as the M2 Pro.
The iMac seems to be the ideal entry point for anyone who doesn't already have a nice monitor. And this new one has speakers that can do the spacial audio and Dolby Atmos. It's notable that the single core performance on the standard M3 isn't any different than that on the M3 Pro or Max. So unless you are doing a lot of multi-core tasks, like video, you might not need to spend that extra cash on a more powerful chip.
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Post by andersmv on Oct 31, 2023 14:42:37 GMT -6
I'm really getting annoyed at the speed Apple is spitting out these new chips. Things were "just" starting to get stable on the M1 chips, then they spit out the M2 that seemed to fix some stuff but was still the same basic makeup. So I splurged on an M2 Ultra Studio, meanwhile I'm still having to run ProTools in Rosetta so I can use a few plugins that are still lagging, DaVinci Resolve seems to have been the best playing catchup but a few color grading plugins are still wigging the hell out and I'm getting constant crashes.... I'm starting to think "stable OS" is going to be a concept of the past. These asshats need to slow the hell down and let developers catch up. I bought the brand new, top of the line M2 FOUR MONTHS AGO and they're already on to the next thing... So frustrating, we don't need a 20% boost every 6 months. We need some downtime to make sure everything's working on the last thing you spit out. Apple can't expect us to play this "keeping up with the Jone's" game at such an accelerated rate, can they? None of our software is ever going to be stable again, is it?  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2023 14:59:03 GMT -6
Nothing compels you to upgrade your m2, silicon’s been out for like almost 3 years now, seems to me its the 3rd party developers dragging their software update buns ?
Rosetta works fine, no alternatives for the laggards ?
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Post by elmolemon on Oct 31, 2023 16:08:02 GMT -6
I understand the frustration. At the same time I’m excited. For me it is time for an upgrade and I’m looking forward to order one of the new space black MBPs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2023 16:33:31 GMT -6
Yea, both perspectives completely valid, that will be a sweet mac ! Enjoy !
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 31, 2023 17:01:24 GMT -6
Finally… Well I’m definitely getting one of these new Macs… I upgrade every 8 or so years, so should I go iMac maxed out at 24G of RAM or MacBook; mainly for more RAM? I don’t do any video, only simple PT editing, but my 12-year-old son is definitely looking forward to it for gaming and will probably eventually get into simple video editing. Maybe one day I too will do simple video editing with it too. I probably should get into it a bit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2023 17:06:45 GMT -6
My studio is still a monster with 32gb ram...If the M3 iMac had been around I might have just done that. But I've had an older 27" Apple display that has been great. I would assume the M3 with 24gb or RAM would still run circles around mine, though. Not sure I'd even need it.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2023 17:32:54 GMT -6
Finally… Well I’m definitely getting one of these new Macs… I upgrade every 8 or so years, so should I go iMac maxed out at 24G of RAM or MacBook; mainly for more RAM? I don’t do any video, only simple PT editing, but my 12-year-old son is definitely looking forward to it for gaming and will probably eventually get into simple video editing. Maybe one day I too will do simple video editing with it too. I probably should get into it a bit. I run large logic sessions here, with say 3 vi, on an m1, 256,16 gig ram mini, never a problem: doubt you need 24 gig of ram ? |
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Post by sirthought on Oct 31, 2023 17:48:54 GMT -6
The whole RAM situation is different than it was on Intel chipsets. 24GB of RAM is really a very healthy amount. I use 16GB with an M1 Pro and I don't seem to suffer any issues due to memory.
The thing with iMacs (for now at least) is that they're sold just with the standard M3 and not the M3 Pro or Max. This makes zero sense to me, especially since they are putting the bigger chips into laptops and mini's. The M3 will work great for audio folks, and truly fine for video folks...but the M3 Pro and Max will offer more guts to handle video jobs. I can't understand why they wouldn't offer those chips with a product that has one of their displays on it.
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Post by andersmv on Oct 31, 2023 20:19:00 GMT -6
The whole RAM situation is different than it was on Intel chipsets. 24GB of RAM is really a very healthy amount. I use 16GB with an M1 Pro and I don't seem to suffer any issues due to memory. The thing with iMacs (for now at least) is that they're sold just with the standard M3 and not the M3 Pro or Max. This makes zero sense to me, especially since they are putting the bigger chips into laptops and mini's. The M3 will work great for audio folks, and truly fine for video folks...but the M3 Pro and Max will offer more guts to handle video jobs. I can't understand why they wouldn't offer those chips with a product that has one of their displays on it. Because they’re going to do a larger 32 inch iMac more than likely. It’s been rumored for a while, and I think they’re struggling trying to figure out what “not” to do with the iMac. I doubt we’ll ever seen another iMac Pro, the Studio and a Screen combo has filled that void. They’ll probably offer some insane up sell options processor wise in the larger iMacs, but I doubt we’ll see an IMac with an Ultra chip. Just have to wait and see. I was hoping for a good iMac this summer as I had a decked out 27 inch intel iMac and loved it for the video work. The Studio won me over and I adjusted to color grading with a cheaper screen that had great ratings and the right color space crap. I’m happy, I doubt I’ll ever consider an iMac again (which is probably what Apple was pushing the pro crowd to do). I better not have to worry about a computer again for close to a decade with the M2 Ultra, otherwise I wasted a lot of money on that bet… I think I’ll be good for a while. |
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