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Post by bradd on Oct 31, 2023 21:15:58 GMT -6
I just bought a refurbed M1 Max MBP last week. It’s a little frustrating, but I’m certain it will more than meet my needs coming from a 2012 MBP.
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Post by ml on Oct 31, 2023 21:17:43 GMT -6
I'm really getting annoyed at the speed Apple is spitting out these new chips. Things were "just" starting to get stable on the M1 chips, then they spit out the M2 that seemed to fix some stuff but was still the same basic makeup. So I splurged on an M2 Ultra Studio, meanwhile I'm still having to run ProTools in Rosetta so I can use a few plugins that are still lagging, DaVinci Resolve seems to have been the best playing catchup but a few color grading plugins are still wigging the hell out and I'm getting constant crashes.... I'm starting to think "stable OS" is going to be a concept of the past. These asshats need to slow the hell down and let developers catch up. I bought the brand new, top of the line M2 FOUR MONTHS AGO and they're already on to the next thing... So frustrating, we don't need a 20% boost every 6 months. We need some downtime to make sure everything's working on the last thing you spit out. Apple can't expect us to play this "keeping up with the Jone's" game at such an accelerated rate, can they? None of our software is ever going to be stable again, is it?  I have to agree the “new” OS thing every year is pretty lame and always feels rushed. I’m still on Monterey and have no plans to update anytime soon. |
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Oct 31, 2023 22:16:35 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 31, 2023 22:16:35 GMT -6
The new os provides no new benefits for audio recording so why bother ?
A new mac always comes current os so that’s just the way it is.
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Post by sirthought on Oct 31, 2023 22:47:20 GMT -6
I just bought a refurbed M1 Max MBP last week. It’s a little frustrating, but I’m certain it will more than meet my needs coming from a 2012 MBP. Oh yeah. You'll be fine. The advances are interesting. But I think the advantages of low heat and quiet of the silicon architecture were already such an improvement on the Intel chips of before. |
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Nov 1, 2023 19:01:38 GMT -6
Post by sirthought on Nov 1, 2023 19:01:38 GMT -6
Seeing on Mac Rumors that single core Geekbench testing of the standard M3 is 20% faster than the M2.
I recall there not being that big of a jump from M1 to M2, but this is progress for audio apps.
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Post by lee on Nov 1, 2023 21:58:24 GMT -6
I found out today that I have 14 days to return the new M2 MacBook Pro to Apple (and only because I ordered directly through them), so I'm gonna do that tomorrow, wait the couple of months extra and get the M3 equivalent. I can't think of a reason not to at this point, so long as we're talking longevity. I like to get about 6 years or more out of a Mac if that's possible.
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Nov 1, 2023 23:32:54 GMT -6
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Post by suicity on Nov 1, 2023 23:32:54 GMT -6
I found out today that I have 14 days to return the new M2 MacBook Pro to Apple (and only because I ordered directly through them), so I'm gonna do that tomorrow, wait the couple of months extra and get the M3 equivalent. I can't think of a reason not to at this point, so long as we're talking longevity. I like to get about 6 years or more out of a Mac if that's possible. I’d be cautious about that. The M3 pro is 25% down on memory bandwidth, and has fewer performance cores than the M2 pro, and fewer transistors. www.macrumors.com/2023/10/31/apple-m3-pro-less-memory-bandwidth/Apple seems to be creating a bigger gap between Pro and Max performance. |
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Post by lee on Nov 1, 2023 23:56:46 GMT -6
I found out today that I have 14 days to return the new M2 MacBook Pro to Apple (and only because I ordered directly through them), so I'm gonna do that tomorrow, wait the couple of months extra and get the M3 equivalent. I can't think of a reason not to at this point, so long as we're talking longevity. I like to get about 6 years or more out of a Mac if that's possible. I’d be cautious about that. The M3 pro is 25% down on memory bandwidth, and has fewer performance cores than the M2 pro, and fewer transistors. www.macrumors.com/2023/10/31/apple-m3-pro-less-memory-bandwidth/Apple seems to be creating a bigger gap between Pro and Max performance. Very good to know! I will read up before I make a hasty choice. |
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Nov 1, 2023 23:59:39 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 1, 2023 23:59:39 GMT -6
Yes, the pro designation ups the performance game vs a base model: devils in the deets!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 2, 2023 2:29:49 GMT -6
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Post by Darren Boling on Nov 2, 2023 11:17:51 GMT -6
So a question from one that's still holding on to a powerful Intel machine that is a beast except in Ableton (thermal throttling). Do the Apple silicon machines never overheat or just much less heat in general compared to Intel? Someone else at the studio has an M2 that in some quick PT tests seemed crazy powerful but I didn't try Ableton with Ozone on it, that's what always brings my current Intel to it's knees.
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Nov 2, 2023 11:48:48 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 2, 2023 11:48:48 GMT -6
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Post by sirthought on Nov 2, 2023 13:24:00 GMT -6
My M1 Pro 16" never gets hot. It might be ever so slightly warm, but I can't even decide if that's in my head. I've never heard the fan. But I've heard reports of some Studio owners hearing a fan kick on occasionally.
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Nov 2, 2023 15:11:58 GMT -6
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Post by lee on Nov 2, 2023 15:11:58 GMT -6
So this is basically saying "No need to get the new one since the older ones are still in their prime," and I agree. But I guess we'll still have to wait for comparative benchmarking to really know if there is a benefit, or a loss, to audio use. I expect most normies will see the benefits of M3. |
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Nov 2, 2023 15:29:35 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 2, 2023 15:29:35 GMT -6
Maybe, a 20% increase on paper may or may not be apoarent in your actual sessions? Your money, your call !  |
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Post by lee on Nov 2, 2023 18:15:55 GMT -6
Well luckily, it's a direct swap for the equivalent tier of M3 if I decide to do it, so I lose no money. This laptop isn't replacing my main music computer so I'm not too stressed either way, but I do need a new portable.
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Post by donr on Nov 2, 2023 20:31:46 GMT -6
I have the sense that Apple Mac Silicon version improvements do not translate directly to audio DAW performance enhancements. The Apple designers are going after the video and graphic rendering improvements, looks to me. Didn't DAW software possibilities to offload/leverage Nvidia graphic card processor card power fissile a while ago? It's about software effort, compatibility and scale, I'd guess.
But like Michael Carnes says, the power efficiency and fan noise are real pluses for DAW users. I have an M1 MAX laptop, and the fan has NEVER gone on, to my ear, anyway. Not so with any of my Intel Macs. (In my family, we have 5 Macs.) Have't yet upgraded the studio computer from the 2013 trashcan, but it'll happen.
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Post by ericn on Nov 2, 2023 21:02:03 GMT -6
I have the sense that Apple Mac Silicon version improvements do not translate directly to audio DAW performance enhancements. The Apple designers are going after the video and graphic rendering improvements, looks to me. Didn't DAW software possibilities to offload/leverage Nvidia graphic card processor card power fissile a while ago? It's about software effort, compatibility and scale, I'd guess. But like Michael Carnes says, the power efficiency and fan noise are real pluses for DAW users. I have an M1 MAX laptop, and the fan has NEVER gone on, to my ear, anyway. Not so with any of my Intel Macs. (In my family, we have 5 Macs.) Have't yet upgraded the studio computer from the 2013 trashcan, but it'll happen. In conversations with a couple of developers both audio and otherwise, in the short run you nailed it, with the rush to be compatible with the latest and greatest most just ported their code with minimal adjustments. In the long run ( or until Apple makes another CPU change) once these same developers see how they can take advantage of what the new chips can do we will see an advantage. Every time Apple has changed chip architecture we have seen the same rodeo. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 2, 2023 21:20:04 GMT -6
I just bought a refurbed M1 Max MBP last week. It’s a little frustrating, but I’m certain it will more than meet my needs coming from a 2012 MBP. I’m on one. It’s been great. |
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Nov 3, 2023 18:57:43 GMT -6
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