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Post by Ward on Sept 19, 2023 8:33:51 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 8:55:14 GMT -6
Designed in California but made where? China?
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Post by robo on Sept 19, 2023 9:30:10 GMT -6
Curious…somebody buy one and report back!
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Post by andersmv on Sept 19, 2023 10:04:49 GMT -6
Really tempted to buy this...
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Post by drumsound on Sept 19, 2023 11:34:14 GMT -6
How is this not hypercardioid?
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Post by phdamage on Sept 19, 2023 12:59:17 GMT -6
How is this not hypercardioid? I think it's second order cardioid or something like that, no? def curious but unless i find one used for cheaper, i'm gonna pass for now. they also look kinda huge, so placement seems like it would be difficult. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Sept 19, 2023 13:59:07 GMT -6
I've been using the Earthworks DM20 on snare and really enjoying it. Very small form factor and the spill from other drums sounds like... drums.
This looks cool too. But definitely kind of chunky.
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Post by Ward on Sept 19, 2023 14:11:20 GMT -6
How is this not hypercardioid? I believe it's cardioid-3, the same pattern deployed in their LS308 tom microphones that I demo'ed here recently. Cardioid 3 is like a tennis ball of pickup straight in front of the grill of the microphone and rejects off-axis sound. ( Like an SM7b with usable output and doesn't sound like crap? ) |
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Post by svart on Sept 19, 2023 14:14:06 GMT -6
But can it beat my KM105 on snare?
And why do companies use the WORST sounding snares to show off their "snare sound"?
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Post by Ward on Sept 19, 2023 14:16:06 GMT -6
But can it beat my KM105 on snare? And why do companies use the WORST sounding snares to show off their "snare sound"? Did the drummer have a say in it? |
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Post by svart on Sept 19, 2023 14:23:34 GMT -6
But can it beat my KM105 on snare? And why do companies use the WORST sounding snares to show off their "snare sound"? Did the drummer have a say in it? I dunno, but this drummer says it sounds like a wet cardboard box. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Sept 19, 2023 14:38:07 GMT -6
Did the drummer have a say in it? I dunno, but this drummer says it sounds like a wet cardboard box. Didn't even listen to the clip but based on other songs I hear, that seems to be a popular snare sound these days. Go figure. |
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Post by drumsound on Sept 19, 2023 16:49:16 GMT -6
How is this not hypercardioid? I think it's second order cardioid or something like that, no? def curious but unless i find one used for cheaper, i'm gonna pass for now. they also look kinda huge, so placement seems like it would be difficult. Seems a little steep. How is this not hypercardioid? I believe it's cardioid-3, the same pattern deployed in their LS308 tom microphones that I demo'ed here recently. Cardioid 3 is like a tennis ball of pickup straight in front of the grill of the microphone and rejects off-axis sound. ( Like an SM7b with usable output and doesn't sound like crap? )That's interesting. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Sept 21, 2023 3:34:22 GMT -6
Shall I jump? The demos are crap. I want to hear some comparisons.
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Post by nomatic on Sept 21, 2023 8:03:34 GMT -6
Do It!
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Post by paulcheeba on Sept 21, 2023 8:21:58 GMT -6
The isolation is the only selling point. I have better sounding mics for drums, like e22's. |
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Post by nomatic on Sept 21, 2023 8:29:36 GMT -6
I have a ton of mics as well but I am curious ...
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Post by andersmv on Sept 21, 2023 9:15:43 GMT -6
The isolation is the only selling point. I have better sounding mics for drums, like e22's. I really don't mind bleed. With the exception of a handful of drummers over the years, bleed in the snare mics has never been a problem for me. Then I got all the FabFilter plugins and started getting a little heavier handed with Saturn and harmonically driving certain frequency areas. Really addicting, but becomes a phase nightmare with bleed sometimes. With more rock oriented drums sounds, I've been looking for some condenser options with less bleed that I can mutilate a bit more. I was about to just order one yesterday, but wasn't all that impressed with any of the demos. If I didn't have a lot on my plate right now, I would have reached out to Lauten about doing a demo on one. I don't have any drum sessions for a month or so at least, so I might revisit this or just order one when it's getting closer to a drum session and see how it does. |
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Post by copperx on Sept 21, 2023 11:03:39 GMT -6
It has the same MSRP as the Beyer M201, but it's a condenser with the same general idea of the Josephson E22s at 1/4 the price. I would love some comparisons.
Also, in the demo video, why bother recording to tape? A better snare and mic setup into a Digi 002 would have sounded better.
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Post by Ward on Sept 21, 2023 11:21:33 GMT -6
Shall I jump? The demos are crap. I want to hear some comparisons. I agree. I thought the demo was very underwhelming to the point of a disservice. The saving grace was the demonstration of isolation. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 21, 2023 11:23:29 GMT -6
Might as well Jump, hey, go ahead and jump. Yes please. |
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Post by kbsmoove on Sept 22, 2023 12:53:31 GMT -6
I think I need this after hearing the hihat rejection. Sheesh.
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Post by ericn on Sept 23, 2023 15:11:59 GMT -6
Ok if you’re going to be all about the rear rejection show me real polar plots vs frequency, not some diagram of perfectly smooth cardiod! I really want to see the actual pattern, when the whole selling point is rejection.
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Post by ericn on Sept 23, 2023 15:19:29 GMT -6
How is this not hypercardioid? Remember while Hyper cardiod gives you a more front focused pattern it also gives you that rear lobe on the axis like a shot gun. That rear lobe can be hell to deal with, depending on Frequency you can either have a ton of kick or cymbal bleed. I understand the choice but again I really want to see polar pattern at a couple of frequencies to see the ugly truth not some generic smooth cardiod. I want to see how good your magic rejection is vs freq. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 24, 2023 9:32:14 GMT -6
How is this not hypercardioid? I believe it's cardioid-3, the same pattern deployed in their LS308 tom microphones that I demo'ed here recently. Cardioid 3 is like a tennis ball of pickup straight in front of the grill of the microphone and rejects off-axis sound. ( Like an SM7b with usable output and doesn't sound like crap? )See above, ericn Cardioid 3 is basically electronic voodoo. The opposite capsule is being used to defeat incoming sound. not pick it up... have a look at the LS308 more closely! I suspect is in the circuit out of phase. But I would like to get some clarification from Trent on this, and not try and verbally reverse engineer his design here with a healthy helping of verbosity. |
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