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Post by knucklehead89 on Sept 24, 2023 14:02:37 GMT -6
I’ve heard a few good samples of this mic now and the limited bleed is cool but I also get in that territory I feel with my SE V7x. I also don’t love the sound of this Snare Mic. Not enough crack and too much tub down low for my personal taste. Anyone else feel the same? Is this the same circuit as the LS208? Because I heard a couple samples of that and the top end crack was beautiful on that mic and the bottom wasn’t too much. Almost pulled the trigger on that for a snare mic option on a simple kit I can fit it in on.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 13, 2024 12:23:12 GMT -6
Hi, anyone here ever get a chance to try this? Love LDC mics on snare except for all the bleed, it would be nice to have a single LDC snare mic get the bulk of the work done without all the side effects, Looks like they have "tom" specific mics also
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Post by doubledog on Jul 13, 2024 12:51:12 GMT -6
Hi, anyone here ever get a chance to try this? Love LDC mics on snare except for all the bleed, it would be nice to have a single LDC snare mic get the bulk of the work done without all the side effects, Looks like they have "tom" specific mics also I have one in my possession and have used it for a bunch of tracks. it does reject really well and it still has more top end (like you would expect a condenser to have). Like with any mic and snare, you can position it for different sounds. Some work great, some not depending on the drum and what you like. Lauten recommend pointing it straight across the snare head (on a parallel plane - instead of pointing down into the head) and it's kind of amazing how well it still rejects bleed from other parts of the kit and gets a good snare sound. And the tom mics are similar (although I prefer to position them pointing at an angle toward the center of the head). And if you need more rejection, then both have LPF and HPF filters (switches) on the mics. Output level wise, they are similar to a dynamic (for the snare mic I didn't even change the preamp level where it was from using a Telefunken M80). But snare mics and snare mics sound are very subjective, so the only way you'll really know is to try one yourself. |
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Post by antipodesjosh on Jul 13, 2024 13:26:33 GMT -6
I’ve been wondering whether to get snare mic or the LS208, which seems like it could be useful on lots of other sources too. Anyone compared them?
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Post by EmRR on Jul 14, 2024 10:57:20 GMT -6
I’ve been wondering whether to get snare mic or the LS208, which seems like it could be useful on lots of other sources too. Anyone compared them? After seeing two LS208 capsule failures, I wouldn't get one for vocals without a windscreen / pop filter in place from day one, knowing you bought it new. They look like a standard stage mic, so I suspect get treated as such, lips on the grill, etc. We usually had the higher LPF switch in, pretty bright on most singers eating the mic. Didn't stand out on stage as particularly more isolated, though it did on a studio tracking session in the room with drums once, can't say it was any better than an RE-16 on that front. The LS308 is much more isolated, but even there you see the limits. It sounds dark/wooly/weird on a lot of sources and there are definitely iso situations where it's no better than a Beta 57 (which sounds more natural). It's eq curve does tend to set bleed back in the mix in a useful way on some sources, it's very useful on acoustic bass in the room with a drummer. The drum bleed sounds 'behind' the bass, but still plenty present. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 14, 2024 14:44:36 GMT -6
I believe it's cardioid-3, the same pattern deployed in their LS308 tom microphones that I demo'ed here recently. Cardioid 3 is like a tennis ball of pickup straight in front of the grill of the microphone and rejects off-axis sound. ( Like an SM7b with usable output and doesn't sound like crap? )See above, ericn Cardioid 3 is basically electronic voodoo. The opposite capsule is being used to defeat incoming sound. not pick it up... have a look at the LS308 more closely! I suspect is in the circuit out of phase. But I would like to get some clarification from Trent on this, and not try and verbally reverse engineer his design here with a healthy helping of verbosity. So cardioid 3 is there own name for using phase cancelation to achieve a tighter pattern, makes me want to see an actual polar vs. Frequency plot even more! No body has that nice of a cardiod plot over the entire useful range. |
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Post by drumsound on Jul 14, 2024 15:55:59 GMT -6
See above, ericn Cardioid 3 is basically electronic voodoo. The opposite capsule is being used to defeat incoming sound. not pick it up... have a look at the LS308 more closely! I suspect is in the circuit out of phase. But I would like to get some clarification from Trent on this, and not try and verbally reverse engineer his design here with a healthy helping of verbosity. So cardioid 3 is there own name for using phase cancelation to achieve a tighter pattern, makes me want to see an actual polar vs. Frequency plot even more! No body has that nice of a cardiod plot over the entire useful range. I was reading up on the LS308 today, and there are a few mentions of it being 'ribbon like' and I think part of what they are doing is rollig off the top. I think part of their "rejects drums even when in the same room" comes from that. I think we all know that even with directional patterns and careful placement, its cymbal bleed that gives it away. So, if you have the noise canceling AND hi frequency roll off then you can get somewhere. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 14, 2024 16:51:07 GMT -6
So cardioid 3 is there own name for using phase cancelation to achieve a tighter pattern, makes me want to see an actual polar vs. Frequency plot even more! No body has that nice of a cardiod plot over the entire useful range. I was reading up on the LS308 today, and there are a few mentions of it being 'ribbon like' and I think part of what they are doing is rollig off the top. I think part of their "rejects drums even when in the same room" comes from that. I think we all know that even with directional patterns and careful placement, its cymbal bleed that gives it away. So, if you have the noise canceling AND hi frequency roll off then you can get somewhere. Tony you probably nailed , but the hard part is doing it and retaining the harmonics or it’s going to sound pretty dull! |
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Post by Ward on Jul 14, 2024 16:59:57 GMT -6
I was reading up on the LS308 today, and there are a few mentions of it being 'ribbon like' and I think part of what they are doing is rollig off the top. I think part of their "rejects drums even when in the same room" comes from that. I think we all know that even with directional patterns and careful placement, its cymbal bleed that gives it away. So, if you have the noise canceling AND hi frequency roll off then you can get somewhere. Tony you probably nailed , but the hard part is doing it and retaining the harmonics or it’s going to sound pretty dull! Still hasn't heard a shoot-out by paulcheeba whom I trust, or another trusted ally here. I've done a demo of the LS308 on tom-toms in a full kit experience, as you'll remember and they are really fabulous . . . not dull at all, and not as center mid heavy as I expected. how do th Lauten 'Tom' mics compare? That would be interesting.... they are considerably cheaper. Much like the Snare is cheaper than the LS208. |
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Post by Ward on Jul 14, 2024 17:02:33 GMT -6
So cardioid 3 is there own name for using phase cancelation to achieve a tighter pattern, makes me want to see an actual polar vs. Frequency plot even more! No body has that nice of a cardiod plot over the entire useful range. That is what I suspect. I am not making that claim for them, or done sufficient investigation to verify my hypothesis. |
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Post by EmRR on Jul 14, 2024 17:08:53 GMT -6
I was reading up on the LS308 today, and there are a few mentions of it being 'ribbon like' 'ribbon like'. huh. Only if you have shitty ribbons! It's a seriously specific application weird sounding wooly beast. Glad I have one, not much I do with it. It's also cool at distance on a 4x12 cab along with other close mics. Still sounds closer than a shotgun at the same distance somehow. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 14, 2024 17:50:00 GMT -6
Tony you probably nailed , but the hard part is doing it and retaining the harmonics or it’s going to sound pretty dull! Still hasn't heard a shoot-out by paulcheeba whom I trust, or another trusted ally here. I've done a demo of the LS308 on tom-toms in a full kit experience, as you'll remember and they are really fabulous . . . not dull at all, and not as center mid heavy as I expected. how do th Lauten 'Tom' mics compare? That would be interesting.... they are considerably cheaper. Much like the Snare is cheaper than the LS208. I think one of the biggest problems here is while the whole kit is percussive, the snare when engaged has a very different frequency profile. In other words what works great on a Tom isn’t necessarily going to work on a snare. |
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Post by robo on Jul 14, 2024 21:40:40 GMT -6
On the purple site someone pointed out that there is some internal limiting happening in this Lauren Snare mic. Sort of a weird thing to include in a design and not mention.
Another option for folks willing to spend $500 on a snare mic is the Roswell/mic parts modified km84 clone built for loud drums. It sounds pretty great in their demo video.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 14, 2024 22:14:08 GMT -6
I was reading up on the LS308 today, and there are a few mentions of it being 'ribbon like' 'ribbon like'. huh. Only if you have shitty ribbons! It's a seriously specific application weird sounding wooly beast. Glad I have one, not much I do with it. It's also cool at distance on a 4x12 cab along with other close mics. Still sounds closer than a shotgun at the same distance somehow. That's what the Lauten sight says. I tend to interpret that as rolled of highs. On the purple site someone pointed out that there is some internal limiting happening in this Lauren Snare mic. Sort of a weird thing to include in a design and not mention. Another option for folks willing to spend $500 on a snare mic is the Roswell/mic parts modified km84 clone built for loud drums. It sounds pretty great in their demo video. I've wondered about that one, too. I like what they are up to, in general. The samples do sound really good. Thanks for the reminder. |
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Post by keymod on Jul 15, 2024 4:11:24 GMT -6
I built the Mic Parts Snare84 and we use it all the time with very good results
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Post by drumsound on Jul 15, 2024 10:24:07 GMT -6
I built the Mic Parts Snare84 and we use it all the time with very good results How difficult is the build? |
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Post by keymod on Jul 15, 2024 10:27:53 GMT -6
I built the Mic Parts Snare84 and we use it all the time with very good results How difficult is the build? Easy build |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 15, 2024 11:47:26 GMT -6
We built a pair of the Vami Sound Electrets and they are great as they are shaped like E22’s and come with great parts like Moby transformers. Solid bodies and great quality.
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