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Post by smashlord on Aug 23, 2023 8:52:30 GMT -6
Hey all, I'm wondering if those of you who have used or own these mics could share some thoughts and experiences?
What little information and feedback that is out there is seemingly positive, however, I can't help but notice there are quite a few turned around on the used market in mint/open box condition, which makes me question if there is a silent majority not digging these mics. I would just get one and try it out, but resale value seems to be garbage, so it would potentially be an expensive demo once you factor in sales tax, shipping, and seller fees.
I am considering a pair vs pair of U87ai. I realize not 1:1 comparison due to the single polar pattern. As I stated in my LDC thread, primary use would be overheads and acoustic guitar in a singer/songwriter context (have other options for when it is in supporting role in a busy mix). Obviously it being a good vocal mic is a bonus, but I have some other things that cover that area.
Thanks!
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Post by Ward on Aug 23, 2023 9:03:09 GMT -6
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Post by smashlord on Aug 23, 2023 10:50:29 GMT -6
I read all those threads, but as you mentioned, they mostly pertain to the tube version and it's use on vocals. I am more looking for anyone's feedback on the FET version in regards to use on overheads, acoustic, and other general purpose things.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Aug 23, 2023 12:13:48 GMT -6
Amazing on vocals, I’d take it over an 87.
It’s too dark for my tastes on my Martin, but that’s why I have the 0-13’s. On a brighter Taylor or maple body I’m sure it would be great.
Fantastic on upright bass.
Just get one you won’t be upset about it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 23, 2023 13:27:49 GMT -6
It's a world class mic. People selling is often just to raise money, I wouldn't read much into that. It's way better than an 87 on vocals, and is equal to the Chandler Redd and the Neumann 67 reissues. Of course, it's a matter of taste.
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Post by hadaja on Aug 23, 2023 14:34:36 GMT -6
Will send you a pm as i was a 17 fet user.
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Post by smashlord on Jan 12, 2024 8:30:59 GMT -6
Anyone with these mics ever pick up the omni or FoE capsules? If so, any thoughts?
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Post by kristoferharris on Jan 12, 2024 12:00:09 GMT -6
I've been considering this for tracking vocals at my home studio. Would replace a 70's 87 I had been loaning from a friend. It was fairly dark example of any 87 and worked well on a variety of voices. I wouldn't want something quite so rolled off as that 87 again. So, also curious to hear from anyone here that's used it on vocals. Specifically the FET.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2024 12:36:07 GMT -6
I've been considering this for tracking vocals at my home studio. Would replace a 70's 87 I had been loaning from a friend. It was fairly dark example of any 87 and worked well on a variety of voices. I wouldn't want something quite so rolled off as that 87 again. So, also curious to hear from anyone here that's used it on vocals. Specifically the FET. Never used the fet, but I love my tube one. People have said the tube one just sounds a little thicker…
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Post by WKG on Jan 12, 2024 14:28:11 GMT -6
Anyone with these mics ever pick up the omni or FoE capsules? If so, any thoughts? I've got the omni capsule however it hasn't seen much use yet. I haven't seen the figure 8 available anywhere.
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Post by niklas1073 on Jan 12, 2024 14:45:34 GMT -6
I am not fortunate enough to YET own a 017. But I own a 1973 which is of course sound wise a very different pal. But what I can tell you is… you will have a hard time finding a better built mic out there than the soyuz. Everything in house built from scratch. This is something hardly any manufacturer can take pride in today. And they are beautifully crafted. My 1973 is my go to nowadays. It is just phenomenal. I am hungry for more soyuz mics. So no, you cannot go wrong with a 017 i’m sure in any other way, than that the sound just does not suite your needs. But that is something only you can determine.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 12, 2024 15:11:18 GMT -6
Hard to go wrong with the 017 mics
The Fet to me sounds similar to a u87ai but I like the frequency balance a bit better, it doesn’t have those pokey upper mids that modern 87s have. I also enjoy the fet on acoustics whereas I’ve never loved the 87 on ac, the ai even less.
The tube is a bigger sound, more low end and super rich mids. It has a real specific vibe which is amazing when it works. When it doesn’t you know it right away, if I were recording a lot of singers I don’t think I’d want it to be my only mic.
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Post by hadaja on Jan 12, 2024 16:33:13 GMT -6
Well I shall wade into here with some trepidation. I am one of those people that bought a FET17 and did not gel with it and sold it as new. I went through the 67 sound and bought a 1st edition stam 67 when they came out years ago. And the sound did not suit my voice. Years later now I bought the bought the 17 fet with this possibility in mind. I did not find the mic dark in any way as some say. I thought I would try the BU67 as I liked what I heard from that. I find it a little strange that I like the BU67 ver2 over the Fet17 with both being a 67 style sound but not sounding that similar at all. Having owned both of them I sold the 17 fet as I used it the least. So sometimes people sell the Soyuz 017 fet because another better purposed mic replaces it and at a cheaper cost. But I do know that a Soyuz 17 fet and/or tube is not something that will ever be on my radar again. Now the Chandler REDD that could be a different story !!
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Post by reddirt on Jan 12, 2024 17:04:12 GMT -6
Hey guys, hadaja's post shows how we all hear differently and I've been financially burned by several big rap items bought on spec because I live in an out of the way place and go on forum vibes etc. (Amphion 15 or Focal Clear Pro e.g.) Having said that, on the positive side of the buy on recommendation ledger is a Chandler TG type L which is a little cracker. Not sure what you can take out of that O.P. but there it is. Cheers, Ross
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Post by smashlord on Jan 12, 2024 18:24:43 GMT -6
Hey guys, hadaja's post shows how we all hear differently and I've been financially burned by several big rap items bought on spec because I live in an out of the way place and go on forum vibes etc. I should have mentioned I did end up snagging a pair of these since starting the thread, so thank you to everyone who had initially chimed in. I was lucky enough after snagging one to come across another in mint condition mistagged as a used Bomblet by a large national chain.... needless to say, I got the deal of a lifetime! For me, these mics have lived up to the hype and then some. I was a staff engineer for years at a studio where U47s, U67s, M49s, U87s, etc.. were my daily drivers and I put the 017 FET in that league, but with its own unique sound. It is a very colored mic, but so far, that color seems to compliment quite a few sources. It just oozes class. I've been considering this for tracking vocals at my home studio. Would replace a 70's 87 I had been loaning from a friend. It was fairly dark example of any 87 and worked well on a variety of voices. I wouldn't want something quite so rolled off as that 87 again. So, also curious to hear from anyone here that's used it on vocals. Specifically the FET. I find to to be fantastic on vocals. My first session with mine, the client remarked how great it sounded just speaking into it. Its very smooth up top... as an experiment I tried to see how much top I could push before it got harsh or sibilant, and I was at close to +15 db with a top end shelf before any of that occurred. That said, I've found it only really needs 2-3 dB of any sort of top boost to sit in a mix and that's it. Usually no other EQ required. It sounds finished. Also love it on acoustic guitar and it sounded better than I thought it would on stereo overheads. Very articulate. That said, I think I prefer the Bomblet's in that application. I will be shooting them out against a pair of vintage U67s next weekend on piano. Also, FWIW, the Bomblet does share a familial sound with it, IMO, despite being a very different capsule. A little less present/detailed in the upper mids, but another seriously impressive mic (electric guitar cab holy cow!).
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2024 21:21:07 GMT -6
Well I shall wade into here with some trepidation. I am one of those people that bought a FET17 and did not gel with it and sold it as new. I went through the 67 sound and bought a 1st edition stam 67 when they came out years ago. And the sound did not suit my voice. Years later now I bought the bought the 17 fet with this possibility in mind. I did not find the mic dark in any way as some say. I thought I would try the BU67 as I liked what I heard from that. I find it a little strange that I like the BU67 ver2 over the Fet17 with both being a 67 style sound but not sounding that similar at all. Having owned both of them I sold the 17 fet as I used it the least. So sometimes people sell the Soyuz 017 fet because another better purposed mic replaces it and at a cheaper cost. But I do know that a Soyuz 17 fet and/or tube is not something that will ever be on my radar again. Now the Chandler REDD that could be a different story !! Not sure why a Fet 17 would sound like a 67 with a tube?
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Post by hadaja on Jan 12, 2024 21:44:22 GMT -6
Sorry maybe I should say TLM67 - a 67 fet. The Fet 17 was reported as to having a 67 capsule style sound. And with that same analogy I am in no illusion that my BN 67 would or does sound like a U67.
So with the Stam SA67 and the Soyuz 017fet supposively sounding like a 67 ish style mic, I thought I was done with 67 style mics until the BN67 came along.
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Post by smashlord on Jan 12, 2024 22:08:09 GMT -6
Sorry maybe I should say TLM67 - a 67 fet. The Fet 17 was reported as to having a 67 capsule style sound. And with that same analogy I am in no illusion that my BN 67 would or does sound like a U67. So with the Stam SA67 and the Soyuz 017fet supposively sounding like a 67 ish style mic, I thought I was done with 67 style mics until the BN67 came along. I personally don’t think the 017 FET sounds anything like a U67. I can see someone being disappointed if that was what they were looking for.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 12, 2024 22:14:17 GMT -6
I think the 67 comp has been thrown around in reference to the tube version. I mean, I guess I can see where that would come from, it's a little forward in the mids...big bottom. But the top doesn't sound anything like a 67 IMO.
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Post by hadaja on Jan 12, 2024 22:14:31 GMT -6
with the capsule in the 17 fet being the same as tube 17, a well known reviewer had this to say - "Soyuz have based the SU–017 cardioid capsule design on the revered Neumann K67 capsule" So that sort of peaked my initial interest in a 67 capsule style sounding mic. I thought it was worth a tryout.
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Post by hadaja on Jan 12, 2024 22:16:15 GMT -6
Sorry maybe I should say TLM67 - a 67 fet. The Fet 17 was reported as to having a 67 capsule style sound. And with that same analogy I am in no illusion that my BN 67 would or does sound like a U67. So with the Stam SA67 and the Soyuz 017fet supposively sounding like a 67 ish style mic, I thought I was done with 67 style mics until the BN67 came along. I personally don’t think the 017 FET sounds anything like a U67. I can see someone being disappointed if that was what they were looking for. So did you end up getting one? Or at least trying one out?
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 12, 2024 23:15:02 GMT -6
I feel it’s more of a hybrid sound between a 47 and a 67. It also shares some similarities with the Stam SA 87T but all the above are not as soft as a Soyuz017. I love Soyuz mics. The mid range is beautiful.
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Post by andersmv on Jan 13, 2024 9:54:07 GMT -6
I started out using a lot of Gefell mics before I ever heard a Neumann. Everyone was always telling me that the U87 was the best mic ever made and would be a huge step up from the UM-70's I was used to. The first time I used a U87, I was really disappointed. Ever since then, the midrange in the 87's and 67's has always stuck out to me and sounded weird, kind of honkey. It comes down to what you're accustomed to at the end of the day. I started out on mics that were a bit more on the neutral side, so that's always going to be what sounds "right" to me. I'm sure it would have been the other way around if I started with something like U87's.
I would agree, all the Soyuz mics seem to have a cool "mid range focus" to them, but it's not anything like the a U67 or U87. The first time I used an 017, right off the bat it sounded right to me and I really liked it. I guess it's a bit darker and smooth like a U67 and has a nice focus on the "important stuff" in the frequency range, but it's not a Neumann. It's a subjective call as to that being good or bad. I would take an 017 over a 67 or 87 eight days a week...
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Post by drumsound on Jan 13, 2024 18:34:12 GMT -6
I started out using a lot of Gefell mics before I ever heard a Neumann. Everyone was always telling me that the U87 was the best mic ever made and would be a huge step up from the UM-70's I was used to. The first time I used a U87, I was really disappointed. Ever since then, the midrange in the 87's and 67's has always stuck out to me and sounded weird, kind of honkey. It comes down to what you're accustomed to at the end of the day. I started out on mics that were a bit more on the neutral side, so that's always going to be what sounds "right" to me. I'm sure it would have been the other way around if I started with something like U87's. I would agree, all the Soyuz mics seem to have a cool "mid range focus" to them, but it's not anything like the a U67 or U87. The first time I used an 017, right off the bat it sounded right to me and I really liked it. I guess it's a bit darker and smooth like a U67 and has a nice focus on the "important stuff" in the frequency range, but it's not a Neumann. It's a subjective call as to that being good or bad. I would take an 017 over a 67 or 87 eight days a week... I tend to think 87s, 67s and 47s sound kind of odd and honky in solo, but just often fit really well once IN the production. They all work well in the mix.
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Post by smashlord on Jan 14, 2024 11:51:15 GMT -6
I personally don’t think the 017 FET sounds anything like a U67. I can see someone being disappointed if that was what they were looking for. So did you end up getting one? Or at least trying one out? I ended up getting a pair and a Bomblet. Probably one of the best gear purchases I've made in years. Extremely impressed with all of them, especially the little Bomblet.
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