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Post by lowlou on Jun 8, 2024 6:01:27 GMT -6
I'd say, if it's only cosmetic, keep it as is. Paint doesn't have a sound.
They could give a discount instead. 10000 $ for example, or 9950 $, something like that lol.
I'd try to get some of my money back, but avoid shipping the comp again, which is a mission in & of itself it seems. Just my opinion !
Oh how I'd like to try that thing...
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Post by Ward on Jun 8, 2024 17:10:02 GMT -6
SNIP How people react to criticism says a lot about them. Not necessarily. 1/3 of the population suffer with some level of ADHD and people with ADHD do not handle criticism the same way the other 2/3rds do . . . they often come across as selfish or arrogant, when nothing could be further from the truth.
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Post by andersmv on Jun 8, 2024 18:53:03 GMT -6
SNIP How people react to criticism says a lot about them. Not necessarily. 1/3 of the population suffer with some level of ADHD and people with ADHD do not handle criticism the same way the other 2/3rds do . . . they often come across as selfish or arrogant, when nothing could be further from the truth. Well, “they” (as in the company, which many times ends up just being one person) can either address your problems as a customer and come to a collective solution, or the ADHD can kick in and they loose a customer 😂. My only point is that stuff happens, and I’m always willing to give a company the benefit of the doubt and a chance to solve issues. If they’re going to be rude and accusatory, my money goes somewhere else. There’s way too many audio companies out there, and I would rather give my money to the person that’s going to put in the work and be reasonable. At this point, I’m pretty much on a “first name basis” relationship with every single gear company of stuff I use in the studio. I’ve sold a lot of stuff the last few years when people were dicks, I want to invest in companies that do good things and care. There’s plenty of them out there.
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Post by wiz on Jun 8, 2024 19:12:03 GMT -6
Insane that it had ANY issues at that price...was it a prototype that went to the investor?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by smashlord on Jun 8, 2024 19:21:58 GMT -6
I'd say, if it's only cosmetic, keep it as is. Paint doesn't have a sound. They could give a discount instead. 10000 $ for example, or 9950 $, something like that lol. I'd try to get some of my money back, but avoid shipping the comp again, which is a mission in & of itself it seems. Just my opinion ! Oh how I'd like to try that thing... It's actually a friend who owns and he said it is what it is for the reason of not having to ship it. I was just really shocked to see those oversights given I've never seen it on any other gear I own that costs farrrrrrr less. I have to say, it might be the best compressor I have heard on a vocal and I have a vintage LA-2A, an RS124, and a pair of Serpent Splices sitting right next to it. It just adds thickness in the bottom without ever getting muddy and can do some serious GR without any audible pumping. Loving it on the 2nd time constant.
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Post by wiz on Jun 8, 2024 19:30:40 GMT -6
I'd say, if it's only cosmetic, keep it as is. Paint doesn't have a sound. They could give a discount instead. 10000 $ for example, or 9950 $, something like that lol. I'd try to get some of my money back, but avoid shipping the comp again, which is a mission in & of itself it seems. Just my opinion ! Oh how I'd like to try that thing... It's actually a friend who owns and he said it is what it is for the reason of not having to ship it. I was just really shocked to see those oversights given I've never seen it on any other gear I own that costs farrrrrrr less. I have to say, it might be the best compressor I have heard on a vocal and I have a vintage LA-2A, an RS124, and a pair of Serpent Splices sitting right next to it. It just adds thickness in the bottom without ever getting muddy and can do some serious GR without any audible pumping. Loving it on the 2nd time constant. any chance of some sonic examples... pretty please.... 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 8, 2024 19:45:19 GMT -6
I don’t even know if I’d ever consider spending the money on an Undertone 670, but if I did consider it, I’d sure as hell buy that over the Fairchild at that ridiculous price! Right now I’m looking at a matched pair of RS660’s for 10K CAD (like $10 USD )…that’s about my ceiling EVER on any piece of audio gear, and I’m sure I’ll be more than happy with those. With all the companies making sweet audio gear at much better rates these days, Fairchild is cracked! I could never support a company with such disgusting prices…there is no way it costs them even 50% of this price to produce…straight up name brand gouging, sickening!
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Post by smashlord on Jun 9, 2024 9:15:11 GMT -6
any chance of some sonic examples... pretty please.... 8) cheers Wiz If anyone wants to share tracks in a DropBox folder or something, I am happy to run them through! I don’t even know if I’d ever consider spending the money on an Undertone 670, but if I did consider it, I’d sure as hell buy that over the Fairchild at that ridiculous price! Right now I’m looking at a matched pair of RS660’s for 10K CAD (like $10 USD )…that’s about my ceiling EVER on any piece of audio gear, and I’m sure I’ll be more than happy with those. With all the companies making sweet audio gear at much better rates these days, Fairchild is cracked! I could never support a company with such disgusting prices…there is no way it costs them even 50% of this price to produce…straight up name brand gouging, sickening! Agreed. I am not sure what the owner of this one paid because he got in before the project was even announced and there may have been some special arrangement for being an early investor of sorts. It does sound REALLY good, but there is quite a bit of good gear you can get for $35K. That said, I think the target demo for it is probably not the average working engineer or studio owner, but rather collectors that want something that is part of a limited run (I think only 17 made?) and has that "bling factor" to it. I think it also depends on the type of music you do. 75% of what I do is rock music and this honestly doesn't seem to have a ton of utility for that, at least for my tastes. It does not do pumpy and gritty like an 1176, Distressor, or Spectra Sonics would do. What it seems to excel at is sweeting, fattening, and de-harshing things. I've so far enjoyed it the most on clean/acoustic guitars, vocals, and pianos in a pop or singer songwriter context. I realize it may be sacrilege to not bow piously at the altar of Fairchild, but as I am sure most guys who have tried a lot of gear over the years will tell you there is a lot of BS hype around certain "holy grail" pieces until you use them and you are like "oh its cool on these couple of things and not so cool on these other things". For $35K, I'd take 17 channels of 1176 and a Compex over it every day of the week. But I am a guy who thinks my Warm WA-2A holds up against my vintage LA-2A and my Pearlman TM47 sounds as good as the two vintage U47s I use on a regular basis. So what do my dumb ears know?
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Post by Ward on Jun 10, 2024 8:32:43 GMT -6
Not necessarily. 1/3 of the population suffer with some level of ADHD and people with ADHD do not handle criticism the same way the other 2/3rds do . . . they often come across as selfish or arrogant, when nothing could be further from the truth. Well, “they” (as in the company, which many times ends up just being one person) can either address your problems as a customer and come to a collective solution, or the ADHD can kick in and they loose a customer 😂. My only point is that stuff happens, and I’m always willing to give a company the benefit of the doubt and a chance to solve issues. If they’re going to be rude and accusatory, my money goes somewhere else. There’s way too many audio companies out there, and I would rather give my money to the person that’s going to put in the work and be reasonable. At this point, I’m pretty much on a “first name basis” relationship with every single gear company of stuff I use in the studio. I’ve sold a lot of stuff the last few years when people were dicks, I want to invest in companies that do good things and care. There’s plenty of them out there. I'm with you on not dealing with or supporting companies/people who are unnecessarily rude.
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Post by mythundreamt on Jun 11, 2024 8:17:03 GMT -6
I have the AnalogueTube AT-1 (so 660 instead of 670) and it cost a lot too ($10K). I have come close to selling it a few times because it just seems like so much money to have in a compressor… But every time I shy away from seriously trying to sell it. Because what it does to vocals or acoustic or even electric guitar (or any mono source) I just can’t get any other compressor to do. Big round lows and clarity in the highs, both that seem to finish the sound in a way my admittedly amateur ass has no clue how to otherwise. Looks cool too! edit: I briefly owned the Unfairchild before it, and it was similar. I prefer this though, much more obvious what it does.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jun 11, 2024 17:04:47 GMT -6
Many years ago, one of the original "CLONES" so to speak was the Fairman, and it's price was quite high... Took many by surprise how expensive it was. A few years later, Anthony Demaria, from ADL, wanted recreate a 670, as well as a 660, so he searched all over the world, and after a few years he sourced all the parts needed to build a few of these "recreation 670's & 660's" I believe he built 5 x 670's (I own #3) and other than it's outward appearance, is a part, for part, clone of the original, using all the same parts, transformers, and original tubes! And yes, way back when it cost me 20K! This shit is expensive, but at least I know, mine is for better for worse, recreating the original experience, for whatever that's worth. Anyhow, when using my newly acquired 670, I found a few peculiar things while trying to use it on the mix buss, so I asked Anthony, from ADL to come and take a look. He and I went thru the unit, changed tubes, realigned it, etc, etc, spent many hours, trying to fix what I didn't like. After Tony was done doing what I asked, I hated it! I then asked hime to return it to whatever the original setting were. (another 4 hours, give or take) And as an aside, when I lived in Millbrook, one of my neighbors, and best friends, for 20 or so years was Eddie Kramer! He and I would have dinner together (schedule permitting) every Thursday during that time. Still perplexed by trying to use this on the mx buss, I asked Eddie to come to my place and take a listen, let me know what he thought, especially from his experiences with the original units. In a nutshell, he said my unit sounded exactly like what he remembered, and it exhibited all the quirks he remembered from back then, he also suggested, don't use it on a mix! Much better on individual sources! So there ya, go. Attachments:
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Post by chessparov on Jun 11, 2024 18:06:10 GMT -6
Well. He was... Experienced.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Jun 13, 2024 18:25:04 GMT -6
Haha Yes he was~!
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 14, 2024 22:07:56 GMT -6
I have the AnalogueTube AT-1 (so 660 instead of 670) and it cost a lot too ($10K). I have come close to selling it a few times because it just seems like so much money to have in a compressor… But every time I shy away from seriously trying to sell it. Because what it does to vocals or acoustic or even electric guitar (or any mono source) I just can’t get any other compressor to do. Big round lows and clarity in the highs, both that seem to finish the sound in a way my admittedly amateur ass has no clue how to otherwise. Looks cool too! View Attachmentedit: I briefly owned the Unfairchild before it, and it was similar. I prefer this though, much more obvious what it does. Yes, but not even close to the price of the new Fairchild! But if you must, sell it and buy two RS660’s…then list them for sale and give me a sweet deal! Shouldn’t keep ranting, but I gotta say, even if I had all the money in the world I wouldn’t buy one on principle alone…no matter how ‘good’ it is.
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