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Post by Ward on Aug 23, 2023 8:30:10 GMT -6
A producer mate heard my POM and told me it sounds better than the originals he has used, and much better than the Unfairchild. I also have original transformers in mine - so maybe that helps? You mean the same transfomers that were in the original 670? New in box, found in old stock somewhere? |
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 23, 2023 10:26:05 GMT -6
not to derail but another awesome interview with Wade & Mirek Stiles ... if anyone needed more proof wade is the coolest haha. |
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Post by Omicron9 on Aug 23, 2023 10:58:15 GMT -6
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Post by spindrift on Aug 23, 2023 12:21:11 GMT -6
A producer mate heard my POM and told me it sounds better than the originals he has used, and much better than the Unfairchild. I also have original transformers in mine - so maybe that helps? I’m selling a pile of gear but my POM with the OG transformers is staying put. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 23, 2023 12:26:23 GMT -6
A producer mate heard my POM and told me it sounds better than the originals he has used, and much better than the Unfairchild. I also have original transformers in mine - so maybe that helps? The thing with so many of the originals is that the owners don’t have the tech resources to keep those beasts working as they should. Most people don’t realize that if you get a drink or 2 in the designers of the modern interpretations is the changes they made to make them require les’s service, because in most cases these guys come from a background of keeping them running. |
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Post by christophert on Aug 23, 2023 17:04:07 GMT -6
A producer mate heard my POM and told me it sounds better than the originals he has used, and much better than the Unfairchild. I also have original transformers in mine - so maybe that helps? You mean the same transfomers that were in the original 670? New in box, found in old stock somewhere? Yes. Pierre sources them, they are very hard to find.
They may have been used ones - I'm not sure if that is the case.
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Post by Blackdawg on Aug 24, 2023 0:43:51 GMT -6
For anyone interested in going the modern Fairchild route, I’d check out the latest magic death eye compressors. Ian has spent the last 3 years tweaking the design to make it work with 12AU7 tubes to make it way more easy and affordable to maintain. magicdeatheye.com/“New design Magic Death Eye Stereo Compressor With the cost of 6386 tubes skyrocketing because of only one company (JJ) making them, and other difficult manufacturing hurdles, I spent 3 years redesigning my compressors. The new models use the very abundant and still manufactured 12AU7 dual triode. This is not a remote cutoff (vari-mu) tube. It does have the widest bias range of all the common 12A(X)7 type tubes. The 12AU7 can still deliver 5mA of current at -20 volts bias at 350v plate. A 12AX7 shuts off at -3 Volts. All this means is that the 12AU7 can be slowly turns off over a wider control voltage range, closer to how a vari-mu tube like the 6386 or 6BC8 works. So I set out to match the performance of my old design with a new design. I rewound transformers, introduced discrete op amps, amassed piles of prototypes and after 3 years, finished a design I’m proud of. Both the stereo and mono use four 12AU7’s per channel flanked by an input and output transformer. The stereo has a new EQ loosely based off the Sontec, using a discrete op amp (Jensen 918 circuit) with the filter circuit in the feedback loop. There is 6dB of cut and boost for both high and low bands. Each band has 2 frequencies. There is also a 20Hz 24db/octave low cut filter. I made sure the unit is very serviceable and robust in design.“ While I agree, getting one is just as hard as a real fairchild. I'm on his news letter when he has one for sale and I haven't seen a stereo unit for sale in years. He was working on ramping up production after Capitol let the mastering staff go. But haven't seen that come to reality yet. new design is coming along though. So here's hoping. The plugin is great though. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 24, 2023 20:01:19 GMT -6
TFuncle USA are so silly with their clones and prices.
POM’s is hand made for over 10 years £5k+ depending.
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2023 20:40:11 GMT -6
TFuncle USA are so silly with their clones and prices. POM’s is hand made for over 10 years £5k+ depending. I have often wondered how much the name alone cost them. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 24, 2023 21:01:52 GMT -6
TFuncle USA are so silly with their clones and prices. POM’s is hand made for over 10 years £5k+ depending. I have often wondered how much the name alone cost them. Good point. That’s probably why they have to make multi coloured reggae mics. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2023 21:43:48 GMT -6
I have often wondered how much the name alone cost them. Good point. That’s probably why they have to make multi coloured reggae mics. Well they put the funk in tfunk? And to quote SNL”you put your weed in it” at least that’s what my current gearpimp tells me the cases are good for. |
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 25, 2023 13:06:17 GMT -6
A producer mate heard my POM and told me it sounds better than the originals he has used, and much better than the Unfairchild. I also have original transformers in mine - so maybe that helps? I’m selling a pile of gear but my POM with the OG transformers is staying put. A greater compliment would be, "I’m selling ALL my gear but my POM with the OG transformers is staying put"  |
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Post by jacobamerritt on Aug 26, 2023 11:02:40 GMT -6
I have often wondered how much the name alone cost them. Good point. That’s probably why they have to make multi coloured reggae mics. Curious how many people who rag on Telefunken have actually tried many of their mics. Yeah the 'classics' are obscenely expensive. But the TF series sound great, are well built in the USA, and in my opinion are very well priced. And TFunk customer support is great. I dont think I'll ever sell my TF-39 pair. |
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Post by smashlord on Jun 7, 2024 12:23:40 GMT -6
As promised, I am reporting back! I got this thing in my studio.... trying to figure out to to safely get all 65lbs of it in a rack. Attachments:
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Post by smashlord on Jun 7, 2024 14:36:13 GMT -6
Initial impressions are not good.
- Pulled it out of the box and 4 of the transformers has a bad paint job on it... really ugly drips and globs.
-Poor paint job on the chassis. Tons of globs.
-The front panel is holes are not cut in the proper place and thus you are not able to adjust the balance pots with it on, which is not a huge deal in practice, since you have to remove it to mount it in a rack, but not acceptable at this price.
-No IEC cable in the box.... really? Come on.
-Tube shields are too small to fit anything other than the 6386s.
I'm well aware of the controversy around Telefunken USA and how the company has a lot of haters and I have to say, I've seen better fit and finish on Warm Audio products than this $35K compressor.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 7, 2024 15:25:09 GMT -6
At that price point, that’s ridiculous.
I’d return it and get the Stam, there’s a used mki on fb for $2,000 !
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2024 15:54:54 GMT -6
Initial impressions are not good. - Pulled it out of the box and 4 of the transformers has a bad paint job on it... really ugly drips and globs. -Poor paint job on the chassis. Tons of globs. -The front panel is holes are not cut in the proper place and thus you are not able to adjust the balance pots with it on, which is not a huge deal in practice, since you have to remove it to mount it in a rack, but not acceptable at this price. -No IEC cable in the box.... really? Come on. -Tube shields are too small to fit anything other than the 6386s. I'm well aware of the controversy around Telefunken USA and how the company has a lot of haters and I have to say, I've seen better fit and finish on Warm Audio products than this $35K compressor. So they really did a bang up job of cloning a beat up vintage unit😎 |
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Post by smashlord on Jun 7, 2024 16:02:48 GMT -6
Initial impressions are not good. - Pulled it out of the box and 4 of the transformers has a bad paint job on it... really ugly drips and globs. -Poor paint job on the chassis. Tons of globs. -The front panel is holes are not cut in the proper place and thus you are not able to adjust the balance pots with it on, which is not a huge deal in practice, since you have to remove it to mount it in a rack, but not acceptable at this price. -No IEC cable in the box.... really? Come on. -Tube shields are too small to fit anything other than the 6386s. I'm well aware of the controversy around Telefunken USA and how the company has a lot of haters and I have to say, I've seen better fit and finish on Warm Audio products than this $35K compressor. So they really did a bang up job of cloning a beat up vintage unit😎 For real... I will say, it sounds damn good. On the mix and drum buss it adds a nice bloom and authority to the low end. On vocals and acoustics, its kind of magic... just makes everything fat and smooth and quells any harsh resonances. I have no idea what a vintage one sounds like and probably never will, but on its own merits, it sounds good. |
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Post by andersmv on Jun 7, 2024 17:09:20 GMT -6
I would absolutely be on the phone with someone at Telefunken that is part of that division. If you're paying that kind of insane money, it's not at all unreasonable to tell them you're not satisfied with the build quality. I've had to do this with a couple of companies on nicer stuff (especially newer companies just starting up). Two of those companies were really appreciative for the feedback and worked with me to fix things, we had a very constructive dialogue. One of them was really hostile and immediately made excuses and pretty much just said "send it back". I don't do business with them anymore, good riddance.... The other two companies are amazing and I've formed solid relationships with them and continue to buy.
Stuff happens, no one is perfect. If you can't have some constructive dialogue about those issues and work towards a solution, they don't deserve your money. There's too many audio companies out there, and I know you work hard for your money if you're spending this kind of $$ on a compressor. It's not unreasonable to expect a lot, and the good people out there are going to be horrified by this type of stuff and will fix it for you. That's how it should be! I'm always up for giving people a chance to fix stuff, but I would be a little gun shy if right out of the gate if there isn't someone with white gloves going over every single little thing on this type of product before it's sent out.
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2024 17:34:42 GMT -6
I would absolutely be on the phone with someone at Telefunken that is part of that division. If you're paying that kind of insane money, it's not at all unreasonable to tell them you're not satisfied with the build quality. I've had to do this with a couple of companies on nicer stuff (especially newer companies just starting up). Two of those companies were really appreciative for the feedback and worked with me to fix things, we had a very constructive dialogue. One of them was really hostile and immediately made excuses and pretty much just said "send it back". I don't do business with them anymore, good riddance.... The other two companies are amazing and I've formed solid relationships with them and continue to buy. Stuff happens, no one is perfect. If you can't have some constructive dialogue about those issues and work towards a solution, they don't deserve your money. There's too many audio companies out there, and I know you work hard for your money if you're spending this kind of $$ on a compressor. It's not unreasonable to expect a lot, and the good people out there are going to be horrified by this type of stuff and will fix it for you. That's how it should be! I'm always up for giving people a chance to fix stuff, but I would be a little gun shy if right out of the gate if there isn't someone with white gloves going over every single little thing on this type of product before it's sent out. First I completely agree with you but I do have to say if I’m buying a piece of gear that costs more than a new Camry I do expect some QC & the build of a Camry. I can guess that for some of it they will try to blame it shipping damage, but again at this price I expect you to pack the unit so that just isn’t a possibility. I have known many manufacturers in both pro and highend consumer gear at this price point who have either used crates or custom road cases that the custom returns in many cases ( guess who sold them the cases😁). Hell at the price of a Camry T funk should buy a Camry hand deliver and set up, again I know manufacturers who at this price who have done just that! |
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Post by andersmv on Jun 7, 2024 17:47:04 GMT -6
I would absolutely be on the phone with someone at Telefunken that is part of that division. If you're paying that kind of insane money, it's not at all unreasonable to tell them you're not satisfied with the build quality. I've had to do this with a couple of companies on nicer stuff (especially newer companies just starting up). Two of those companies were really appreciative for the feedback and worked with me to fix things, we had a very constructive dialogue. One of them was really hostile and immediately made excuses and pretty much just said "send it back". I don't do business with them anymore, good riddance.... The other two companies are amazing and I've formed solid relationships with them and continue to buy. Stuff happens, no one is perfect. If you can't have some constructive dialogue about those issues and work towards a solution, they don't deserve your money. There's too many audio companies out there, and I know you work hard for your money if you're spending this kind of $$ on a compressor. It's not unreasonable to expect a lot, and the good people out there are going to be horrified by this type of stuff and will fix it for you. That's how it should be! I'm always up for giving people a chance to fix stuff, but I would be a little gun shy if right out of the gate if there isn't someone with white gloves going over every single little thing on this type of product before it's sent out. First I completely agree with you but I do have to say if I’m buying a piece of gear that costs more than a new Camry I do expect some QC & the build of a Camry. I can guess that for some of it they will try to blame it shipping damage, but again at this price I expect you to pack the unit so that just isn’t a possibility. I have known many manufacturers in both pro and highend consumer gear at this price point who have either used crates or custom road cases that the custom returns in many cases ( guess who sold them the cases😁). Hell at the price of a Camry T funk should buy a Camry hand deliver and set up, again I know manufacturers who at this price who have done just that! I also completely agree with everything you said. My only caveat, again, is that they deserve a chance to make things right and earn some of that trust back. How people react to criticism says a lot about them. |
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Post by smashlord on Jun 7, 2024 19:11:44 GMT -6
I would absolutely be on the phone with someone at Telefunken that is part of that division. If you're paying that kind of insane money, it's not at all unreasonable to tell them you're not satisfied with the build quality. I've had to do this with a couple of companies on nicer stuff (especially newer companies just starting up). Two of those companies were really appreciative for the feedback and worked with me to fix things, we had a very constructive dialogue. One of them was really hostile and immediately made excuses and pretty much just said "send it back". I don't do business with them anymore, good riddance.... The other two companies are amazing and I've formed solid relationships with them and continue to buy. Stuff happens, no one is perfect. If you can't have some constructive dialogue about those issues and work towards a solution, they don't deserve your money. There's too many audio companies out there, and I know you work hard for your money if you're spending this kind of $$ on a compressor. It's not unreasonable to expect a lot, and the good people out there are going to be horrified by this type of stuff and will fix it for you. That's how it should be! I'm always up for giving people a chance to fix stuff, but I would be a little gun shy if right out of the gate if there isn't someone with white gloves going over every single little thing on this type of product before it's sent out. First I completely agree with you but I do have to say if I’m buying a piece of gear that costs more than a new Camry I do expect some QC & the build of a Camry. I can guess that for some of it they will try to blame it shipping damage, but again at this price I expect you to pack the unit so that just isn’t a possibility. I have known many manufacturers in both pro and highend consumer gear at this price point who have either used crates or custom road cases that the custom returns in many cases ( guess who sold them the cases😁). Hell at the price of a Camry T funk should buy a Camry hand deliver and set up, again I know manufacturers who at this price who have done just that! It actually did come in a crate and a very substantial box with probably 4-5 inches of foam all around, but this is most assuredly a QC thing. It's like they used too much paint or flipped part before letting it dry. It's just not what I would expect for a unit like this. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2024 20:06:45 GMT -6
First I completely agree with you but I do have to say if I’m buying a piece of gear that costs more than a new Camry I do expect some QC & the build of a Camry. I can guess that for some of it they will try to blame it shipping damage, but again at this price I expect you to pack the unit so that just isn’t a possibility. I have known many manufacturers in both pro and highend consumer gear at this price point who have either used crates or custom road cases that the custom returns in many cases ( guess who sold them the cases😁). Hell at the price of a Camry T funk should buy a Camry hand deliver and set up, again I know manufacturers who at this price who have done just that! It actually did come in a crate and a very substantial box with probably 4-5 inches of foam all around, but this is most assuredly a QC thing. It's like they used too much paint or flipped part before letting it dry. It's just not what I would expect for a unit like this. Well at least they know how to pack it! You would think a manufacturer who already once killed their good rep would no better and invest in keeping the reputation they have rebuilt. Of course where this becomes almost comical is the do you know what Telefunken’s other big business is? Why Tony has Telefunken Motor Sports, a company devoted to race prep, service and Transport as well as restoration of Classic Porsche’s. Now do you think the owner of say a custom Slant nose 930 would put up with this ( someday get me drunk enough and I’ll tell you a story about a Blue KMR slant nose). Now I will admit to a conflict here, Kelley Moss Racing was a client, one of our old receptionist works in the office & I got to know the crew because one of the guys was in the burn unit with me. I can tell you this Telefunken Motor Sports knows how to paint! |
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Post by andersmv on Jun 7, 2024 20:43:30 GMT -6
It’s the paint on the transformers, correct? I’m guessing they’re like the original UTC transformers and have a metal can covering? I remember them saying they had a company make them custom transformers for this thing, not to pass the buck here but that might be on the company that made the transformers. Still should have been caught when they were put in there, but that might make this a bit more complicated.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 8, 2024 4:08:52 GMT -6
Great, that it sounds great, but at this price point, expecting a eye for detail on qc is not unreasonable.
I think a respectful frank call to TF to describe your user experience is appropriate: anyway enjoy the sonics, that’s what it’s really about!
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