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Post by drumsound on Aug 28, 2023 15:49:07 GMT -6
Sneak peak! I realized I didn’t have any piano clips with the V24 and got a little carried away today… Thanks a million Matt. Share with the audience what the stereo technique, pattern, and signal chain might be? The stereo separation on the piano is great, although my planar cans may have something to do with that. I'll have to run upstairs and grab my Ultrasones and see how it sounds through those. (I don't actually know the details, I prefer to let engineers run free with whatever reviews and tests they'd like. Best way to gauge a mic is in the real world.)I just listened to this at the studio while ding backups. That thing is something!!! Nice song and performance, as expected, Matt.
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Post by andersmv on Aug 30, 2023 9:06:42 GMT -6
Thanks a million Matt. Share with the audience what the stereo technique, pattern, and signal chain might be? The stereo separation on the piano is great, although my planar cans may have something to do with that. I'll have to run upstairs and grab my Ultrasones and see how it sounds through those. (I don't actually know the details, I prefer to let engineers run free with whatever reviews and tests they'd like. Best way to gauge a mic is in the real world.)I just listened to this at the studio while ding backups. That thing is something!!! Nice song and performance, as expected, Matt. Thanks! I'm going to have to get a C12 now, hopefully Derek will accept a large chunk of cash for a mono one at some point. I thought my Chandler TG mic in the really flat settings (System B and tape EQ flat) was close to the C12 world, but having them next to each other was eye opening. The TG didn't sound bad, but there was just so much more clarity on the V24. It strait up sounded like there were phase issues in the high mids on the Chandler when it was next to the V24. Not a bash on the TG mic at all, just a testament to the design and improvements Derek made. Still enough character in there to make me smile too. I still don't think it's the best choice for a mediocre vocalist like me, but it can really showcase a great singer with those characteristics.
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Post by drumsound on Aug 30, 2023 9:58:03 GMT -6
I just listened to this at the studio while ding backups. That thing is something!!! Nice song and performance, as expected, Matt. Thanks! I'm going to have to get a C12 now, hopefully Derek will accept a large chunk of cash for a mono one at some point. I thought my Chandler TG mic in the really flat settings (System B and tape EQ flat) was close to the C12 world, but having them next to each other was eye opening. The TG didn't sound bad, but there was just so much more clarity on the V24. It strait up sounded like there were phase issues in the high mids on the Chandler when it was next to the V24. Not a bash on the TG mic at all, just a testament to the design and improvements Derek made. Still enough character in there to make me smile too. I still don't think it's the best choice for a mediocre vocalist like me, but it can really showcase a great singer with those characteristics. That's really interesting. I'm curious, did you A/B the V24 with the V13. I know you really dig that mic, and it's one of those mic that I keep thinking I need.
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Post by andersmv on Aug 30, 2023 10:21:36 GMT -6
Thanks! I'm going to have to get a C12 now, hopefully Derek will accept a large chunk of cash for a mono one at some point. I thought my Chandler TG mic in the really flat settings (System B and tape EQ flat) was close to the C12 world, but having them next to each other was eye opening. The TG didn't sound bad, but there was just so much more clarity on the V24. It strait up sounded like there were phase issues in the high mids on the Chandler when it was next to the V24. Not a bash on the TG mic at all, just a testament to the design and improvements Derek made. Still enough character in there to make me smile too. I still don't think it's the best choice for a mediocre vocalist like me, but it can really showcase a great singer with those characteristics. That's really interesting. I'm curious, did you A/B the V24 with the V13. I know you really dig that mic, and it's one of those mic that I keep thinking I need. I did really briefly. The last few years, I always set up the V13 and Chandler TG next to a new mic just to give myself a starting point. V13 and TG are opposite ends of the spectrum, lets me know really quickly where the new mic lands. I'll dig around and see if I can find any files, not sure if I kept anything when they were next to each other. The V13 sounded like a ribbon mic next to the V24, so not anywhere near each other sonically. The V13 isn't going to do it for you if you want something more C12'ish. It does make everything sound really warm and thick though, very natural sounding. If the source is solid in the room, the V13 usually compliments it well. I've done folky acoustic albums with almost all Vanguard mics, it makes things really easy for that genera. I'm a little more selective on where I use the V13 on more modern sounding stuff, it has a tendency to fill a space nicely if the arrangement leaves you some room.
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Oct 24, 2023 11:36:39 GMT -6
For anyone interested, i'll have a V24 at AES NY this week in the booth with our friends at AudioScape ( booth 631). Come say hi!
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Post by drumsound on Oct 24, 2023 12:32:02 GMT -6
For anyone interested, i'll have a V24 at AES NY this week in the booth with our friends at AudioScape ( booth 631). Come say hi! That mic on the RND desk...
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Post by phdamage on Oct 24, 2023 17:13:29 GMT -6
Whoa! Much higher price tag than I expected!! Not saying it ain’t worth it but it’s too expensive for me to find out what it sounds like
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Post by Ward on Oct 25, 2023 6:33:21 GMT -6
For anyone interested, i'll have a V24 at AES NY this week in the booth with our friends at AudioScape ( booth 631). Come say hi! My kids' college fund is extremely pleased I'm not at AES this year. Posting that photo is a guaranteed way to drain bank accounts of any excess. Grateful I have a beautiful V44S mark 2, but a little less grateful as the green monster looks at this polished beauty!
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Jun 17, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -6
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Post by hadaja on Jun 17, 2024 14:29:03 GMT -6
Congrats to the review, very nice.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 24, 2024 10:02:04 GMT -6
They come close but the presence projection of the C24 is the winner for me. They sound excellent though. Very open without sibilants. TBH I’d probably get the cheaper stereo Vanguard as it sounds great too. And I already have a bunch of Stereo tube mics including a mint C24 and SM69’s.
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 24, 2024 19:50:32 GMT -6
Just watched the vids, excellent as always. I thought I wasn’t a fan of brighter mics, but the sound with the coils is incredible…What a perfect pair!
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Post by Ward on Jun 25, 2024 14:08:19 GMT -6
Really Fantastic, Derek. Thanks for sharing, my friend! At times I prefer the C24, other times the V24. The 251 mode switch is genius! You and mics are clearly on the same page! Well done. Genii
[quote author=" vanguardaudiolabs" source="/post/369133/thread" timestamp="1718653581" ]I know i'm way late updating this. For those interested - several demos/shootouts have been completed, replete with sound samples etc.
JML Studios in Nutley, NJ - against a Stephen Paul-modified C24 (2nd gen):
Listening files:
Ice Cream Factory in Austin, TX against what appeared to be a stock C24 gen2 (I didn't have the time to disassemble it) and George Benson's old 251:
Listening files:
the home studio of fingerstyle wizard Trevor Gordon Hall in rural PA against a stock V44S gen2:
and 25th Street Recordings in Oakland, CA against a Klaus Heyne modded C24:
Any questions just holler. Major props to Ben @ BeesNeez, the capsules are truly glorious.
-DEREK[/quote]
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Post by mics on Jun 25, 2024 23:20:48 GMT -6
Thanks for the love guys!!!! Really Fantastic, Derek. Thanks for sharing, my friend! At times I prefer the C24, other times the V24. The 251 mode switch is genius! You and mics are clearly on the same page! Well done. Genii
[quote author=" vanguardaudiolabs" source="/post/369133/thread" timestamp="1718653581" ]I know i'm way late updating this. For those interested - several demos/shootouts have been completed, replete with sound samples etc.
JML Studios in Nutley, NJ - against a Stephen Paul-modified C24 (2nd gen):
Listening files:
Ice Cream Factory in Austin, TX against what appeared to be a stock C24 gen2 (I didn't have the time to disassemble it) and George Benson's old 251:
Listening files:
the home studio of fingerstyle wizard Trevor Gordon Hall in rural PA against a stock V44S gen2:
and 25th Street Recordings in Oakland, CA against a Klaus Heyne modded C24:
Any questions just holler. Major props to Ben @ BeesNeez, the capsules are truly glorious.
-DEREK [/quote]
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Jun 27, 2024 10:48:19 GMT -6
They come close but the presence projection of the C24 is the winner for me. They sound excellent though. Very open without sibilants. TBH I’d probably get the cheaper stereo Vanguard as it sounds great too. And I already have a bunch of Stereo tube mics including a mint C24 and SM69’s. i'm about 90% sure we have some of the V44S stereo mics in the UK with our distributor Emerging Ltd. KMR also sells them if they're your go-to.
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Jun 27, 2024 10:49:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the love guys!!!! They wouldn't sound as good without your lovely CK12 capsules Ben!
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Jun 27, 2024 10:53:22 GMT -6
They come close but the presence projection of the C24 is the winner for me. They sound excellent though. Very open without sibilants. TBH I’d probably get the cheaper stereo Vanguard as it sounds great too. And I already have a bunch of Stereo tube mics including a mint C24 and SM69’s. I am curious which C24 you preferred - the 3 I've heard against the V24 sound markedly different from each other. Two of which, of course, are modified - the JML one by Stephen Paul, and the 25th Street one by Klaus Heyne. The only "stock"-ish C24 was at Ice Cream Factory. But I suspect most C24s have had some level of maintenance. The metallized paper caps they used in particular, along with a few other bits, don't last as long as you'd like them to. If I had to guess, if I put up 5 random C24s from 5 different studios up against each other, they'd have a fair few sonic differences (even if they were from the same generation). It's the classic "vintage mic" problem, but in stereo and thus multiplied by 2!
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Post by chessparov on Jun 27, 2024 17:53:31 GMT -6
I heard the Vintage AKG C4's were dynamite!
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Post by andersmv on Jun 27, 2024 18:24:20 GMT -6
I heard the Vintage AKG C4's were dynamite! Thanks for the explosive commentary...
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Post by chessparov on Jun 27, 2024 22:47:18 GMT -6
Oops. Sorry. I suppose I could have let you... C4 yourself. Chris
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Post by Ward on Jun 28, 2024 18:33:30 GMT -6
I heard the Vintage AKG C4's were dynamite! Thanks for the explosive commentary... He's a real firecracker
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 28, 2024 19:43:35 GMT -6
They come close but the presence projection of the C24 is the winner for me. They sound excellent though. Very open without sibilants. TBH I’d probably get the cheaper stereo Vanguard as it sounds great too. And I already have a bunch of Stereo tube mics including a mint C24 and SM69’s. I am curious which C24 you preferred - the 3 I've heard against the V24 sound markedly different from each other. Two of which, of course, are modified - the JML one by Stephen Paul, and the 25th Street one by Klaus Heyne. The only "stock"-ish C24 was at Ice Cream Factory. But I suspect most C24s have had some level of maintenance. The metallized paper caps they used in particular, along with a few other bits, don't last as long as you'd like them to. If I had to guess, if I put up 5 random C24s from 5 different studios up against each other, they'd have a fair few sonic differences (even if they were from the same generation). It's the classic "vintage mic" problem, but in stereo and thus multiplied by 2! I appreciate your final point firstly. I’ve owned 2 first generation C24’s sold 1 after 15 years and a nice couple of C12’s and C12a’s plus about 6 DIY 251’s and a handful of DIY and quality clone C12’s with AKG, Beesneez and Haun capsules plus Bock and Beesneez 251’s and, with 35 years of studio experience in studios around the world I like to think I know a bit about the the original sound and the quality clones make. I spent a lot of time listening to your V24 as I am an admirer of it. I was poised to want one when a mint C24 came up for not much more. That was a no brainer. I’m also a huge fan of Ben’s BCK12 and own a significant amount of pairs as I believe it’s the most accurate I’ve heard to the original from the 60’s. TBH I watched a couple of your videos and felt a difference in the dimensions, even on casual, crappy YouTube sound in my studio and on decent cans. If you’re looking to try and trip me up go ahead just don’t use any fancy jargon or psychobabble. I preferred the vintage versions even if they have been modified. I don’t buy into all your pretentious sales waffle as a good mic is the sum of its parts (mainly 2 or 3)and these are basic circuits though the CK12 a difficult endeavour, not whether its cryogenically frozen Pinot Noir flavour Slush Puppy, but I understand marketing. On a comparison with a V44S I felt the 44 was fast for drums and sounded great. I’d just buy that if I was starting out or I could get a Matt black one as I feel it’s a good deal. These were first impressions and I’d need to spend time in my room with all of them to really get a feel. Apart from the expensive V24 I believe you have a good range at a good price point. That’s as far as I’ll go on a first date. I will say though, I’d like the hear the 44s with mics Ben’s capsules. You obviously appreciate them in the way I do. Maybe it’s an upgrade you could offer? I think it’s a good looking and sounding way to add that AKG flavour to a locker though I just have too many microphones already and apart from another great, matched pair of C12’s “stick a fork in me I’m done”. Still it’s always good to be pleasantly surprised!
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Jul 2, 2024 11:04:07 GMT -6
I will say though, I’d like the hear the 44s with mics Ben’s capsules. You obviously appreciate them in the way I do. Maybe it’s an upgrade you could offer? We do offer that upgrade and have done it for a few people now, although it's not on the site. One fellow did a comparison here: although i don't believe i got the hi-res files for this shootout and youtube compression sucks
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Post by andersmv on Aug 16, 2024 14:58:27 GMT -6
There's a new section on the forum now for AMA's. Vanguard just released the V14, a mono version of the V24. There's some major additions to the mono version as well as a bunch of tweaks, I was lucky enough to be along for the ride and made a video I posted in the AMA. Pop in there and ask Derek some questions, it's a really amazing mic! realgearonline.com/thread/17656/vanguard-variable-voltage-tube-condenser
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Post by vanguardaudiolabs on Aug 17, 2024 17:39:58 GMT -6
There's a new section on the forum now for AMA's. Vanguard just released the V14, a mono version of the V24. There's some major additions to the mono version as well as a bunch of tweaks, I was lucky enough to be along for the ride and made a video I posted in the AMA. Pop in there and ask Derek some questions, it's a really amazing mic! realgearonline.com/thread/17656/vanguard-variable-voltage-tube-condenserThanks for documenting it all, Matt (and convincing me to watch Curb Your Enthusiasm for the first time).
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