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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 2, 2014 9:01:02 GMT -6
kidvybes that pic, I'm assuming that's a reflection of the head basket... If not, wtf is that? lol
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2014 9:07:06 GMT -6
Gotsta be photoshop
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Post by kidvybes on Jul 2, 2014 9:09:38 GMT -6
I asked because I've noticed that some of the chinese capsules sound pretty great for what they are. Some sound really terrible too. I mentioned it in a thread that is long buried in the forum somewhere, but I bought a handful of cheap edge-terminated capsules and gave them a try. I found that one side would sound great, while the other would be blah. Another capsule would sound bad on both sides while another would have a zing on the top end but the body of the sound would be good. Overall, I picked the best and used it for my mic and sold the next best one to a friend for his C12 clone, we just turned the lesser performing side of the capsule towards the back since he'd really only be using his in cardioid for vocals. All in all, I see potential in these, it's just that they aren't reliably tuned from the factory. Yes, consistancy in QC'ing of the cheaper capsules is the biggest issue with the Chinese capsules...some of the manufacturers that employ the Chinese to manufacture their capsules, such as ADK with their Custom-Shop line, actually maintain on-site QC personnel to insure continuity in quality and tolerances... Just take a look at the pricepoints of these Custom-Shop capsules which are IMHO the best being produced in China: www.adkmic.com/catalog/customshop/ModsAndParts.php...it's hard to imagine paying those prices for Chinese capsules, when you can buy a Tim Campbell or Thiersch for similar cost...I have the GK12d in my Matachung C12 and it sounds quite impressive (BTW,I did not purchase the GK12d, but acquired in a gear trade)... |
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Post by kidvybes on Jul 2, 2014 9:10:20 GMT -6
kidvybes that pic, I'm assuming that's a reflection of the head basket... If not, wtf is that? lol Bingo! Attachments:
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Post by svart on Jul 2, 2014 9:32:38 GMT -6
I asked because I've noticed that some of the chinese capsules sound pretty great for what they are. Some sound really terrible too. I mentioned it in a thread that is long buried in the forum somewhere, but I bought a handful of cheap edge-terminated capsules and gave them a try. I found that one side would sound great, while the other would be blah. Another capsule would sound bad on both sides while another would have a zing on the top end but the body of the sound would be good. Overall, I picked the best and used it for my mic and sold the next best one to a friend for his C12 clone, we just turned the lesser performing side of the capsule towards the back since he'd really only be using his in cardioid for vocals. All in all, I see potential in these, it's just that they aren't reliably tuned from the factory. Yes, consistancy in QC'ing of the cheaper capsules is the biggest issue with the Chinese capsules...some of the manufacturers that employ the Chinese to manufacture their capsules, such as ADK with their Custom-Shop line, actually maintain on-site QC personnel to insure continuity in quality and tolerances... Just take a look at the pricepoints of these Custom-Shop capsules which are IMHO the best being produced in China: www.adkmic.com/catalog/customshop/ModsAndParts.php...it's hard to imagine paying those prices for Chinese capsules, when you can buy a Tim Campbell or Thiersch for similar cost...I have the GK12d in my Matachung C12 and it sounds quite impressive (BTW,I did not purchase the GK12d, but acquired in a gear trade)... I can say that I bought my capsules for like 75$ each many years ago before there were a ton of better made replacements. I figure that it'd take an hour to reskin and then add the cost of OEM diaphragms to the whole thing and 150$ for a decent re-manufactured capsule looks really good to me. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 2, 2014 10:14:10 GMT -6
The Concept Of Tolorance and QC has been very hard to impress upon the Mass Manufacturers in China!
The best way to deal with this has been to send someone over to QC!
This is not to say the skill isn't there, given a few years and as we peel away the layers of bureaucracy and find the smaller craftemen shops we are in for a treat but, it won't be a cheap treat!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 2, 2014 19:43:12 GMT -6
hey sinsay,
so do you like to hear recordings of someone's voice to know how to tune a cap in the context of the mike build ?
thx !
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Post by Shannon on Jul 3, 2014 1:25:40 GMT -6
hey sinsay, so do you like to hear recordings of someone's voice to know how to tune a cap in the context of the mike build ? thx ! Yea, I know it sound crazy but yea. I can also listen to a song, they send me a clip to hear the range of thier voice. |
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Post by gouge on Jul 3, 2014 7:10:16 GMT -6
I would love to find a c414 kit that uses a ck-12. is there anything like that around the market?
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Post by Shannon on Jul 3, 2014 16:58:11 GMT -6
I would love to find a c414 kit that uses a ck-12. is there anything like that around the market? I Have done many brass ring CK 12 retro fits and have replaced the P48 capsule ( they work very well as a paper wieght ) in some cases a DIY. I really never heard of any kits. I don't recommend trying that on the 414's that have LED in it. |
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Post by winetree on Jul 3, 2014 17:15:08 GMT -6
I've got a pair of 414EBs with the teflon ringed capsules.
Would putting in brass ring capsules be a worthwhile replacement.
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Post by aremos on Jul 3, 2014 20:44:10 GMT -6
I've got a pair of 414EBs with the teflon ringed capsules. Would putting in brass ring capsules be a worthwhile replacement. I would definitely think so! But then again those nylon ones do have their own unique sound. For vox I would rather have the brass. |
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Post by Shannon on Jul 3, 2014 20:58:54 GMT -6
I've got a pair of 414EBs with the teflon ringed capsules. Would putting in brass ring capsules be a worthwhile replacement. For sure the P48 capsule don't live up to AKG sound by any means. They just don't slide in you have retro fit them. If you look at my FB page you will see a pair of c12a I worked for Jeff S. The OG capsule were stock in those at that time. You can see the mount I made to help support the capsule, they are known to break the rubber mount. I hooked Jeff up with alum. I machined . You can do a lot of simpler cap. Holder. I think they sound way better IMO |
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Post by aremos on Jul 4, 2014 8:25:19 GMT -6
For sure the P48 capsule don't live up to AKG sound by any means. They just don't slide in you have retro fit them. If you look at my FB page you will see a pair of c12a I worked for Jeff S. The OG capsule were stock in those at that time. You can see the mount I made to help support the capsule, they are known to break the rubber mount. I hooked Jeff up with alum. I machined . You can do a lot of simpler cap. Holder. I think they sound way better IMO I have B-ULS's & EB's. Don't recall using a P-48 but are you saying that that version's capsule holder is different than all other 414's or that the nylon-teflon CK-12 capsule, be it in whatever 414 version, is not up to par with the brass CK-12? |
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Post by Shannon on Jul 4, 2014 14:59:13 GMT -6
The P48 capsule has the mount molded into the outside of the capsule itself. Nothing to complex you can just throw iit in and bolt it on the 2 posts in the mic.
The c12 brass ring capsule just needs a simple cradle and fab a plate that will let it mount from the cradle to the post. I'm sure most will agree that it will sound a lot better.
That P48 is also used in the c12vr ... I recently did that mod to a c12vr switched out cap very nice results.
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Post by kidvybes on Jul 4, 2014 15:07:18 GMT -6
Don't recall using a P-48 but are you saying that that version's capsule holder is different than all other 414's or that the nylon-teflon CK-12 capsule, be it in whatever 414 version, is not up to par with the brass CK-12? "The P48 capsule has the mount molded into the outside of the capsule itself. Nothing to complex you can just throw it in and bolt it on the 2 posts in the mic. The c12 brass ring capsule just needs a simple cradle and fab a plate that will let it mount from the cradle to the post. I'm sure most will agree that it will sound a lot better." - sinsay ...just for the sake of visual clarity: Attachments:
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jul 4, 2014 22:24:40 GMT -6
Here's an example of Sinsay's bad ass CV-4 mod. See if you guys hear much of a difference from this to a vintage mic. The only difference I hear at all is a vintage mic sounds a bit more compressed. No zing in this thing at all now. db.tt/Xz5KPa2m |
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Post by Shannon on Jul 4, 2014 23:34:46 GMT -6
FYI
I did not model cowboys to a u67 in fact I did not even compare it to a U67 at all I didn't have any in house at the time. Cowboy said open like u67 and some qualities that he want and that was a result .....
I did recently build a u67 on purpose and used dan D DIY kit he had. That will be posted very soon Dan D and randy Kohrs did hear the results I don't know how to tag them maybe they will respond
Dam iPhone srry
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Post by deehope on Jul 4, 2014 23:43:22 GMT -6
FYI I did not model cowboys to a u67 in fact I did not even compare it to a U67 at all I didn't have any in house at the time. Cowboy said open like u67 and some qualities that he want and that was a result ..... I did recently build a u67 on purpose and used dan D DIY kit he had. That will be posted very soon Dan D and randy Kohrs did hear the results I don't know how to tag them maybe they will respond Dam iPhone srry Ive been extremely interested in how that U67 turned out. |
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 5, 2014 8:21:43 GMT -6
.....I did recently build a u67 on purpose and used dan D DIY kit he had. That will be posted very soon Dan D and randy Kohrs did hear the results I don't know how to tag them maybe they will respond I heard the clips and the change is downright staggering. Maybe they will respond. Randge dandeurloo |
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Post by lolo on Jul 5, 2014 9:00:40 GMT -6
FYI I did not model cowboys to a u67 in fact I did not even compare it to a U67 at all I didn't have any in house at the time. Cowboy said open like u67 and some qualities that he want and that was a result ..... I did recently build a u67 on purpose and used dan D DIY kit he had. That will be posted very soon Dan D and randy Kohrs did hear the results I don't know how to tag them maybe they will respond Dam iPhone srry See now you got me even more exited to get my CV4 back. |
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Post by deehope on Jul 5, 2014 9:58:19 GMT -6
.....I did recently build a u67 on purpose and used dan D DIY kit he had. That will be posted very soon Dan D and randy Kohrs did hear the results I don't know how to tag them maybe they will respond I heard the clips and the change is downright staggering. Maybe they will respond. Randge dandeurloothat's a scarey thought seeing that those kits are supposed to sound amazing to begin with. Are we talking as good as your vintage one? |
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 5, 2014 10:12:33 GMT -6
that's a scarey thought seeing that those kits are supposed to sound amazing to begin with. Are we talking as good as your vintage one? Well, I had 3 vintage specimens. I sold the best one and am keeping the other two. I sold the best one because I could get the most out of it. I only heard clips of the Shan modded Deurloo DIY mic so not side by side with mine. I would for sure sonically put it in with the two I am keeping. Dan's mic was very good to begin with but is on a whole new level now. |
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Post by deehope on Jul 5, 2014 13:50:05 GMT -6
WOW!!! Between the capi stuff and these vintage kits I'm gonna be broke lol can't complain though because the amount of money were paying for this quality is insane. This new generation is spoiled... that's a scarey thought seeing that those kits are supposed to sound amazing to begin with. Are we talking as good as your vintage one? Well, I had 3 vintage specimens. I sold the best one and am keeping the other two. I sold the best one because I could get the most out of it. I only heard clips of the Shan modded Deurloo DIY mic so not side by side with mine. I would for sure sonically put it in with the two I am keeping. Dan's mic was very good to begin with but is on a whole new level now. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 5, 2014 14:50:48 GMT -6
I thought my cv4 was very comparable to cowboycoalminer 's u67. And that was without Shannon having one to match. The U67 still sounded better on top to my ears, but I think if you told someone, "hey - listen to these two U67's", they wouldn't second guess. |
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