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Post by Ward on Jul 12, 2023 10:32:36 GMT -6
Quite honestly asking for a friend . . .
What's your favorite dynamic for a permanently mounted kick mic inside a drum shell?
Obviously a built in clip that is rigid would be essential.
My thoughts include EV RE320, Tfunk M82, Audix D6 (I believe that's the model).
Def does not want a D112 or SM52, as he dislikes those... and who can blame him?
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Post by bradd on Jul 12, 2023 11:17:33 GMT -6
I personally dislike the Audix D6. It sounds like it is EQ'd for a metal mix. I typically use an RE20 in the studio and find it be a good all around choice. I would imagine that the RE320 would be similar, but I have not used one. For live use though, I think the RE20 style mics would be a little heavy and difficult to deal with. I would research the Sennheiser offerings that can be clipped.
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Post by ericn on Jul 12, 2023 11:32:18 GMT -6
I personally dislike the Audix D6. It sounds like it is EQ'd for a metal mix. I typically use an RE20 in the studio and find it be a good all around choice. I would imagine that the RE320 would be similar, but I have not used one. For live use though, I think the RE20 style mics would be a little heavy and difficult to deal with. I would research the Sennheiser offerings that can be clipped. The D6 is easy, doesn’t care as much about positioning, it just sounds like a D6. The Sennheiser is decent sounding but requires more work. Honestly you will pretty much see the same stuff you see in the studio except real 47fet live. The Beyer 380? Is also pretty decent as is the D12vr. The thing with live kick mics for me is it’s as much about the FOH console and subs, I keep a D6 in the go bag because I know I can make it workable on just about any rig, except say a QSC K10 with no sub, just sounds boomy in that situation. |
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2023 11:34:36 GMT -6
D6 is a great all-arounder. Just inside the front hole, angled slightly so it doesn't get too much attack.
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Post by masteroftracks on Jul 12, 2023 11:45:33 GMT -6
+1 for the d12VR has become my go to for everything I also use the EV ND68 at one of the venues I work at and find it to be very agreeable as well.
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Post by drbill on Jul 12, 2023 11:56:48 GMT -6
If your friend is not liking the D112 or SM52, then the D6 is probably what they are after. Good all rounder....
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Post by notneeson on Jul 12, 2023 11:58:14 GMT -6
D6 is a great all-arounder. Just inside the front hole, angled slightly so it doesn't get too much attack. Yeah, I find the D6 less opinionated than others, I would guess placement is the wild card as Svart suggests. For studio work I really love to get the low bloom from a 121 outside and then the kick in mic is really just for attack if I need it. Could use a 421 or Sm57 pretty happily there, although more like to be an SM7 these days.. Not practical for live, I know. |
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2023 12:16:53 GMT -6
D6 is a great all-arounder. Just inside the front hole, angled slightly so it doesn't get too much attack. Yeah, I find the D6 less opinionated than others, I would guess placement is the wild card as Svart suggests. For studio work I really love to get the low bloom from a 121 outside and then the kick in mic is really just for attack if I need it. Could use a 421 or Sm57 pretty happily there, although more like to be an SM7 these days.. Not practical for live, I know. It's somewhat sensitive to placement. It'll get very TICK TICKY if you have it pointed at the beater impact directly. It'll also get a little too BOINGY if you have it too far inside the kick. It's like it was intended to be just inside the head hole. That's where it gets the most balanced sound. I still cut a lot of mids out of it to even begin to have it sound "modern" in the least so I'd never describe it as "eq'd" even though it does have some built-in EQ. |
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Post by nicksteinborn on Jul 12, 2023 12:21:21 GMT -6
I like the Senn 902. Beta91/Behringer clone/Senn version are all pretty workable, but plasticky.
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Post by bradd on Jul 12, 2023 12:52:42 GMT -6
D6 is a great all-arounder. Just inside the front hole, angled slightly so it doesn't get too much attack. I suspect that pointing it directly at the beater was my mistake. Operator error, per usual. |
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 12, 2023 12:58:19 GMT -6
Quite honestly asking for a friend . . . What's your favorite dynamic for a permanently mounted kick mic inside a drum shell? Obviously a built in clip that is rigid would be essential. My thoughts include EV RE320, Tfunk M82, Audix D6 (I believe that's the model). Def does not want a D112 or SM52, as he dislikes those... and who can blame him? Well, a few years ago I would have said a D12E, but they've got got scarce and hard to get serviced. Now? Well, I've used an RE20 a lot. There was also a small, almost bullet shaped EV- the ND408. The one I'm thinking of was USA made andf the current versaion is Asian and has a slightly different model number. Looks the same, but I haven't heard the new version. There's another EV, THE ND-868, that I use live a lot It does have some slight "built in eq" but it's not nearly as obnoxious as some others. I generally dislike "Pre-EQed" mics. Usually way too much "KLICK!!!"
I share your animus toward the D-112. Not even good for a backstage football game with that stick coming out of the side!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jul 12, 2023 13:00:24 GMT -6
Check out the newish DPA kick mic.
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Post by mcirish on Jul 12, 2023 13:01:00 GMT -6
For a good all around kick mic, smaller and cheaper than an RE20, I would go with a ATM25. You can still buy them new on ebay from Japan.
I agree with Bill. If he doesn't like a D112 or Beta52A, he isn't going to like a D6 either. Those are all preEQed for sort of a metal kick sound.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jul 12, 2023 14:42:55 GMT -6
I will second the ATM25, good for rock but rather natural.
I really love the M88 for a nice natural kick that you can sculpt.
Telefunken M82 and AKG D12vr are also nice and have some cool eq presets.
D6 for me is too much of a one trick pony.
I also use the SM7 a lot for kind of of woody mid focused sound, sounds great for indie, folk stuff.
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Post by jmoose on Jul 12, 2023 14:49:22 GMT -6
Quite honestly asking for a friend . . . What's your favorite dynamic for a permanently mounted kick mic inside a drum shell? Obviously a built in clip that is rigid would be essential. Have you looked into the May systems? Permanent tour grade bomb proof internal mount with an XLR popping out of the air vent. www2.dwdrums.com/may/You can get 'em pre-made with the typical suspect mics (compact versions) or just buy a mount and use whatever mic 'ya want. The snare doesn't sound right to me, having a mic inside the drum like that... but for kick & toms? Sounds killer and such a clean, easy setup for live work. No stands just an XLR right to the shells... |
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Post by phdamage on Jul 12, 2023 15:19:07 GMT -6
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Post by phdamage on Jul 12, 2023 15:21:22 GMT -6
I"ll just add that it takes EQ nicely (though I rarely find it needs much) and doesn't sound scooped/pre-EQd like the D112, Beta52, D6, e602, etc usual suspects.
Plenty of thump and a healthy dose of snap/click, though you might need to push that a little on EQ if you need a more metal/modern rock sound
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 12, 2023 15:45:46 GMT -6
Quite honestly asking for a friend . . . What's your favorite dynamic for a permanently mounted kick mic inside a drum shell? Obviously a built in clip that is rigid would be essential. Have you looked into the May systems? Permanent tour grade bomb proof internal mount with an XLR popping out of the air vent. www2.dwdrums.com/may/You can get 'em pre-made with the typical suspect mics (compact versions) or just buy a mount and use whatever mic 'ya want. The snare doesn't sound right to me, having a mic inside the drum like that... but for kick & toms? Sounds killer and such a clean, easy setup for live work. No stands just an XLR right to the shells... I use a Kelly Shu on my kick. I imagine it’sa bunch cheaper. Also pop my XLR through the vent. |
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Post by Ward on Jul 12, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -6
Y'all are right about one thing: He hates the D6 as well. LOL I just spoke with him.
Has that a D6 also. And a D112 and SM52
I record him with an RE27 inside kick and a U47FET outside and that's the sound he wants.
So I was thinking the RE320 is a smaller version of the RE20 and might be the right choice
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Post by jmoose on Jul 12, 2023 18:07:29 GMT -6
I record him with an RE27 inside kick and a U47FET outside and that's the sound he wants. So I was thinking the RE320 is a smaller version of the RE20 and might be the right choice RE320 isn't that much smaller or lighter... that's a big mic to permanently mount inside a drum. He's gonna travel with this? Gig? Maybe a telefunken M82? Those seem much flatter, less pre-Q then the usual suspects from the couple times I've used one. |
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Post by woofhead on Jul 12, 2023 20:00:31 GMT -6
the ev nd 868 is an eqd bd mic but with a soft high end and not too boomy. Discontinued but the similar current model is the nd 68. The 868 at least has a diaphragm similar to the re20 but with more spl endurance.
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Post by honkeur on Jul 12, 2023 23:27:30 GMT -6
I am happy with the AT ATM25 and the Beyer M88.
But the best is the Sennheiser 441. Feels a bit decadent, now that they are so pricey. But...love it.
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Post by christopher on Jul 13, 2023 16:01:07 GMT -6
(When you already have dynamics for backup).. Every once in a while a place would bring out 414 for inner kick. That was fun, ..big stage though. Now the 214 exists maybe it’s something to consider? And there’s all the boutique brands now who have nice solid state mics. Just brainstorming
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Post by enlav on Jul 14, 2023 10:03:12 GMT -6
I record him with an RE27 inside kick and a U47FET outside and that's the sound he wants. So I was thinking the RE320 is a smaller version of the RE20 and might be the right choice RE320 isn't that much smaller or lighter... that's a big mic to permanently mount inside a drum. He's gonna travel with this? Gig? Maybe a telefunken M82? Those seem much flatter, less pre-Q then the usual suspects from the couple times I've used one. ^ Echoing jmoose's concerns.
They're the same size, and still weighs enough that I'd be wary about mounting it inside. It would probably depend on how it's mounted. I'm not an expert on the kelly shu or comparable products, but if you end up relying on the standard-issue EV clip, you'll want to make sure it's tight, because the 320 is still heavy enough to lean if the drum is being lugged around as one would expect.
If we're talking live sound here and your friend is critical about the sound coming from the PA (and not, say, a recording from the board), I'd maybe argue microphone choice isn't as important as it would be in the studio. It's still an essential piece, don't get me wrong, but you could be lugging around the exact same drum set and PA from venue to venue, love the sound in one place, and hate it in the next. Even more variance if there's less consistency from rig to rig. |
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Post by smashlord on Jul 14, 2023 10:16:41 GMT -6
Though not a dynamic, its hard to beat a Beta91A, IMO, as a general purpose, easy kick in mic. No stand needed, it usually sounds good just popping it in on the floor of the drum (or pillows), and its EQ curve gets you part of the way there without going too far and boxing you into something. A session guy around my parts has one permanently suspended in his kick, with an XLR connection built into the shell.
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