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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 3, 2023 9:11:27 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 9:23:44 GMT -6
Yeah my neighbor says he ordered one, he joked that I’ll be able to say there is an SSL studio under my bedroom.
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Post by Quint on Jun 3, 2023 11:29:53 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get a UF1. Maybe a UF8 as well, once Luna gets full MCU capabilities for controlling plugins.
The UF1 checks a lot of boxes.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 3, 2023 11:59:50 GMT -6
Just wondering how much I’d use it. Been ITB and using the ole mouse for years. It’s one of those things where - “will it take less time to just use the mouse?”
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Post by bentley on Jun 3, 2023 12:28:51 GMT -6
Bought one on release day. Have the UF-8 but mainly just use a single fader so hoping this will replace it and save some desktop space. Love having the VU meter but only time will tell if it's useful to me.
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 12:38:50 GMT -6
Just wondering how much I’d use it. Been ITB and using the ole mouse for years. It’s one of those things where - “will it take less time to just use the mouse?” I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own.
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Post by Quint on Jun 3, 2023 12:39:53 GMT -6
If I were all in on mixing with a SSL tone imprint (I'm not), I'd get the UC1 too. The combo of the UF1, UF8, and UC1 seems like a really cool, nearly completely tactile, close to analog experience.
If UA and Softube would ever figure out how to get Console 1 to work with Luna, that would basically more or less provide the same experience as the UC1, but who knows if that will ever happen.
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Post by Quint on Jun 3, 2023 12:56:36 GMT -6
Just wondering how much I’d use it. Been ITB and using the ole mouse for years. It’s one of those things where - “will it take less time to just use the mouse?” I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own. You guys seen the MP Midi? mpmidi.com/
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 13:00:47 GMT -6
I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own. You guys seen the MP Midi? mpmidi.com/That’s interesting! Thanks for the tip.
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Post by gmichael on Jun 3, 2023 17:28:02 GMT -6
I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own. You guys seen the MP Midi? mpmidi.com/That's really kind of badass Quint. Very mouse concentric in tandem but it definitely has an appealing tactile aspect to it.
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Post by ericn on Jun 3, 2023 18:07:37 GMT -6
I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own. You guys seen the MP Midi? mpmidi.com/A bit of digging shows they have mapped “ over 1000 plugins” but they don’t say what they have mapped or how to share maps.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 4, 2023 10:54:34 GMT -6
I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own. You guys seen the MP Midi? mpmidi.com/That’s really cool, but I swear that would take longer than just making the move with your mouse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 12:55:25 GMT -6
If I were all in on mixing with a SSL tone imprint (I'm not), I'd get the UC1 too. The combo of the UF1, UF8, and UC1 seems like a really cool, nearly completely tactile, close to analog experience. If UA and Softube would ever figure out how to get Console 1 to work with Luna, that would basically more or less provide the same experience as the UC1, but who knows if that will ever happen. Funny that you say that because there is no tone. The SSL Native Channel Strip and Bus Compressor that the UC1 is tied to are ports of SSL's cleanish 90s digital console dsp with typical nasty early digital dynamics processing. If you want the clean if a bit hard sounding version of that, the Oxford EQ and Dynamics are still around. If you want some of the SSL sound in the box, there's the Glue, which just models the bus compressor sidechain for now until the Glue HD comes out, tons of channel strips dating back to McDSP Channel G, and a multitude of ways to get that "transistory" sound itb without using anything related to SSL.
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Post by Quint on Jun 4, 2023 13:52:16 GMT -6
If I were all in on mixing with a SSL tone imprint (I'm not), I'd get the UC1 too. The combo of the UF1, UF8, and UC1 seems like a really cool, nearly completely tactile, close to analog experience. If UA and Softube would ever figure out how to get Console 1 to work with Luna, that would basically more or less provide the same experience as the UC1, but who knows if that will ever happen. Funny that you say that because there is no tone. The SSL Native Channel Strip and Bus Compressor that the UC1 is tied to are ports of SSL's cleanish 90s digital console dsp with typical nasty early digital dynamics processing. If you want the clean if a bit hard sounding version of that, the Oxford EQ and Dynamics are still around. If you want some of the SSL sound in the box, there's the Glue, which just models the bus compressor sidechain for now until the Glue HD comes out, tons of channel strips dating back to McDSP Channel G, and a multitude of ways to get that "transistory" sound itb without using anything related to SSL. The UC1 also includes the 4K B plugin as well, which is supposed to have more of the old school SSL color which, again, I'm not even necessarily desiring. It's really just the hands on direct control element that I'm wanting. This UC1 is pretty slick in that regard. I can't really speak to the sound quality of any of the SSL plugins that come with the UC1, or how those plugins compare to other SSL-type plugins on the market.
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Post by unit7 on Jun 4, 2023 14:19:06 GMT -6
I keep saying I’ll be all over the first controller where a manufacturer makes an effort to provide control mapping of plugins besides their own. You guys seen the MP Midi? mpmidi.com/That and a couple of faders is exactly what I would love. The concept is the best out there I believe, I mean if you want to control plugins from a controller, but it doesn't work with the native plugins of the DAW... I settled with the 8 pots and a fader on the Avid Dock + two Avid S1s.
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Post by seawell on Jun 4, 2023 14:34:46 GMT -6
I'm so glad to see someone still putting effort into control surfaces. It seemed like the market was completely dead for a few years there. Personally, the times I've used a mouse only have been really taxing on my wrist/shoulder/neck. I have an Avid D-Control which maps EQs and Compressors to individual knobs in the center section. It's such a time saver but the size and price makes that one not work for a lot of people. I also know at some point it won't be supported any longer so having another option like this is awesome!
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Post by Ward on Jun 5, 2023 7:32:54 GMT -6
I'm so glad to see someone still putting effort into control surfaces. It seemed like the market was completely dead for a few years there. Personally, the times I've used a mouse only have been really taxing on my wrist/shoulder/neck. I have an Avid D-Control which maps EQs and Compressors to individual knobs in the center section. It's such a time saver but the size and price makes that one not work for a lot of people. I also know at some point it won't be supported any longer so having another option like this is awesome! Ha! I still can't let go of my old C|24 It just saves me so much time in fader, panning and sends alone! That being said, I miss working on an LFAC and wonder if I'd do better work with a combination of the C24 and a 24 channel SSL, side by side.
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2023 8:37:16 GMT -6
I'm so glad to see someone still putting effort into control surfaces. It seemed like the market was completely dead for a few years there. Personally, the times I've used a mouse only have been really taxing on my wrist/shoulder/neck. I have an Avid D-Control which maps EQs and Compressors to individual knobs in the center section. It's such a time saver but the size and price makes that one not work for a lot of people. I also know at some point it won't be supported any longer so having another option like this is awesome! Ha! I still can't let go of my old C|24 It just saves me so much time in fader, panning and sends alone! That being said, I miss working on an LFAC and wonder if I'd do better work with a combination of the C24 and a 24 channel SSL, side by side. First thought, if it was a modern SSL you would find out how crappy SSL’s DAW intergration really is. Now can we all hope and make our sacrifices to the gods of audio in hopes that AVID’s next owners open up EUCON to other hardware vendors?
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Post by christopher on Jun 5, 2023 9:09:19 GMT -6
That’s really cool, but I swear that would take longer than just making the move with your mouse. The problem for me with virtual knobs, (and touch screens too in a way) is it’s shared and changes. So I may train myself “this knob is ratio” and then the next plugin “the knob is EQ node 3 gain”. My brain will reach for the same place for all the different plugins and I’m always wrong lol Same in the car with a touchscreen, I can’t just reach for the treble and bass.. I have to take eyes off the road and go through submenus
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Post by Quint on Jun 5, 2023 9:52:56 GMT -6
That’s really cool, but I swear that would take longer than just making the move with your mouse. The problem for me with virtual knobs, (and touch screens too in a way) is it’s shared and changes. So I may train myself “this knob is ratio” and then the next plugin “the knob is EQ node 3 gain”. My brain will reach for the same place for all the different plugins and I’m always wrong lol Same in the car with a touchscreen, I can’t just reach for the treble and bass.. I have to take eyes off the road and go through submenus That's why the SSL UC1 appeals to me. It has dedicated physical knobs for every function. I would be completely okay with using a controller like that, provided that I want the sound of the particular plugin(s) that are tied to that controller. I mean, it's not like you wouldn't have a bunch of channels of the exact same eq on every channel if you were working on an actual analog console. It's not like you need 15 or 20 different kinds of eq on a mix. That said, I don't know whether or not I'd want to be using SSL eq on every channel. However if a controller ever came out that was mapped in the same way as the UC1, but for an API, Neve, EMI, etc, I'd be all over that. I'm still hoping that something like this comes out for the UAD API Vision console emulation. Absent that, I'm still thinking that I may just pick up a UF8, once Luna gets full MCU capabilities, and map the Vision knobs across the top eight Vpots on the UF8, implement the API on every channel in Luna, and then use muscle memory to manipulate those eight Vpots the same way, no matter what channel I'm on. My main focus going forward is to figure out a control surface that I just use with the same channel strip on every channel, instead of a bunch of different kinds of plugins on each channel.
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Post by Ward on Jun 5, 2023 10:12:46 GMT -6
Ha! I still can't let go of my old C|24 It just saves me so much time in fader, panning and sends alone! That being said, I miss working on an LFAC and wonder if I'd do better work with a combination of the C24 and a 24 channel SSL, side by side. First thought, if it was a modern SSL you would find out how crappy SSL’s DAW intergration really is. Now can we all hope and make our sacrifices to the gods of audio in hopes that AVID’s next owners open up EUCON to other hardware vendors? I mean to have an analog console next to a HUI, not integrated because that only means one thing: Compromise. No thanks. DAW as a workstation/tape deck into 24 to 32 Analog LFAC inserts would be preferable for me. I'm mostly in the box now and don't like the results, even with inserts running great analog comps. limiters. EQs etc
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2023 10:52:55 GMT -6
First thought, if it was a modern SSL you would find out how crappy SSL’s DAW intergration really is. Now can we all hope and make our sacrifices to the gods of audio in hopes that AVID’s next owners open up EUCON to other hardware vendors? I mean to have an analog console next to a HUI, not integrated because that only means one thing: Compromise. No thanks. DAW as a workstation/tape deck into 24 to 32 Analog LFAC inserts would be preferable for me. I'm mostly in the box now and don't like the results, even with inserts running great analog comps. limiters. EQs etc Yeah, we have talked about this in private, but I thought I would publicly bring up the point as much as SSL pushes its DAW intergration, it’s really a crappy HUI built into the console. Those who have lived in the world of mid to large scale Control Surfaces are usually very disappointed.
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2023 10:57:41 GMT -6
That’s really cool, but I swear that would take longer than just making the move with your mouse. The problem for me with virtual knobs, (and touch screens too in a way) is it’s shared and changes. So I may train myself “this knob is ratio” and then the next plugin “the knob is EQ node 3 gain”. My brain will reach for the same place for all the different plugins and I’m always wrong lol Same in the car with a touchscreen, I can’t just reach for the treble and bass.. I have to take eyes off the road and go through submenus First I agree with every single thing you said, BUT😁! If you had the time and skill you could map all your favorite plugins to a standard of your own making. I know guys who have done it, hell I know a regional post house that hired a guy to just map plugins to house standards. It’s a boring job that makes you think “ I would rather be making music, Hell I would rather be ma king D-sub cables.”
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 11:11:47 GMT -6
Too much money for a potentially offbrand fader and a transport control. So SSL is Presonus competitor now? This was made to compete with the Presonus 1 channel fader port and Steinberg CC121 which goes for money used despite being largely useless to me. Guys who only need to ride a vocal bus fader loved that. People also complained about the previous ssl controllers not having good transport controls so this one has them. They’re hoping guys who have the uc1 and uf8 buy them just for this too and maybe use the fader as a mix bus send fader to feed the compressor and two bus chain.
The benefit of multiple faders in a controlled, mixer, or console is to ride multiple faders at once maybe with multiple fingers because the levels interact with one another as you feed everything into the bus compressor. This enables faster and more immediate rides and automation. You are able to get a less surgical and more emotional mix down or automation passes then with the bus compressor controlling your fader moves. A single fader will not provide you with this experience
I mean this is more for the FL and Ableton crowd, who already have some pretty good options from Ableton and Novation. Ableton already has better stock plugs than SSL sells premium controllers for. Wtf man wtf
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Post by Ward on Jun 5, 2023 11:12:54 GMT -6
Hell I would rather be ma king D-sub cables.” Or "heck, I could have been lick-testing 9 volt batteries"
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